The thing about committees is...
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Posted on: 2007-04-19 13:07 in Everything about PvP
Well, Ex Libris, I think what the players are also saying is they'd like an opportunity to be involved. Without ANY knowledge of what is going on, it's hard for players to get behind this one way or the other. It also appears that things are being decided for them, rather than committee members representing the communities.
What good is it to have a Server Representative when the casual player has no idea what the PvPec is up to? How can you have questions/comments regarding something you know nothing about?
Can't server reps bring contests to the community...polls...questions....etc. for the players to comment on without giving away exactly what you guys are planning? There has to be a way players can be more of a part of this process.
Psy, have you ever heard of the phrase too many cooks spoil the soup?
I really don't think Incursion or Rift would steer the committee in the wrong direction in as far as bringing events to the table that people would like to see. If you don't have faith in committee, then have faith in them. And dig down deep and find some patience.
Uh yeah, I have heard of too many cooks spoil the soup...that is basically what the committee is now, lol. Jesus.
However, including the community in this process does not mean they are "spoiling the soup". That's a rather elitist attitude and while I have faith in Rift and Incursion, there are plenty of other facets of this event that the players could be consulted on or included. I'm hearing a lot of players wanting some basic information, wanting a way they can be heard, wanting a way that possibly they can influence this event that is being designed FOR THEM....and I'm not hearing a lot of support from pvpec members.
I think it's important for the pvpec to represent the community and to get this community as involved as possible. I would be willing to help with this matter, but it is going to mean people on the committee actually remember who it is they're serving AND getting some of these server reps to actually start doing something.
I love how the "Protector Server PvP Rep" feels getting the community involved is too many cooks spoil the soup, lol.
I gotta agree with PsyPunk here.
When the PvPEC was created the dedicated, hardcore PvPers were pretty happy (though there was a few splits) that PvP was getting attention.
We keep hearing about a big event a story arc thing...I gotta ask...huh?
If there's one thing about Paragon City and the Rogue Isles, they're very static. Faultline changing is the biggest change I can remember. So how is a multi-month PvP event going to alter my contacts, my missions, my story arcs, my experience gains and so on?
If you want to create a backdrop to it fantastic, go to it...but consider all the PvPers here.
Give the hardcores stuff to do on Test and here.
Give the 'every now and thens' something to do as well.
Make some events that involve non-50s...not everyone has a stable of 50s to choose from.
How about some teasers like what we had for Hamidon or Inventions or whatnot?
Because right I know I do PvP occasionally and I organize on my server but if something big is happening concurrent to Issue 9, would be nice to see some 'ads'. 
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I gotta agree with PsyPunk here.
When the PvPEC was created the dedicated, hardcore PvPers were pretty happy (though there was a few splits) that PvP was getting attention.
We keep hearing about a big event a story arc thing...I gotta ask...huh?
If there's one thing about Paragon City and the Rogue Isles, they're very static. Faultline changing is the biggest change I can remember. So how is a multi-month PvP event going to alter my contacts, my missions, my story arcs, my experience gains and so on?
If you want to create a backdrop to it fantastic, go to it...but consider all the PvPers here.
Give the hardcores stuff to do on Test and here.
Give the 'every now and thens' something to do as well.
Make some events that involve non-50s...not everyone has a stable of 50s to choose from.
How about some teasers like what we had for Hamidon or Inventions or whatnot?
Because right I know I do PvP occasionally and I organize on my server but if something big is happening concurrent to Issue 9, would be nice to see some 'ads'.
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Except I don't think this is concurrent to Issue 9. From what I've seen so far this will really get rolling AFTER the issue launces. More like in between issues 9 and 10.
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Give the hardcores stuff to do on Test and here.
Give the 'every now and thens' something to do as well.
Make some events that involve non-50s...not everyone has a stable of 50s to choose from.
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Nia, that's the whole point. It's to give every level of PvP some representation here. That's also why these damned PvE nobodys are involved at even the highest levels: because the goal is to get as many of the OTHER PvP nobodys and PvE players out there PvPing as possible.
Some will come if there's PvP of any kind, period. That's a given. We want more than that. We want everyone from the hardcore to the pure RPers showing up to learn and participate. That's why there's a subcommittee on fiction - to create a storyline that people might want to be a part of, because that might be enough for a lot of casual players to show up for, even if they don't like PvP for the most part. The rewards subcommittee is out there to try and not only create some incentive for the hardcore to get something for the efforts they've made to get where they are, but also to get more material-minded players into the show. And, as has been mentioned so many times before, we have some of the hardest of the hardcore working their tails off to make sure that the core of the actual PvP events that take place within the overarching structure of this "super-event" appeals to the consistent PvP community that has arisen on Test, as well as those that are just dipping their toes in.
And I would like to ask one thing of some of the people here that seem so hell-bent on painting this as not representing PvP interests, and I mean this sincerely...
Why is your PvP more important/valid/imperative than mine?
That's not a flippant remark, I really want to know what the deal is. This event is supposed to be for everyone that PvPs, or ever wanted to PvP, or even those that NEVER wanted to PvP. I ask about "my" PvP, because while I'm no elite badass that has anything resembling a rep in the Test server arena, I still love PvP. Love it. I run around in the zones frequently, I love base raids, and I even enjoy the arena on a good team. It's FUN; and there are a lot of other people like me on my server, and I can't imagine it's different on the others. And that's why I play the game, that's why I want to see these events succeed.
But there seem to be some of you who are effectively telling me that I don't count as a PvPer. Why not? Do I have to kill a certain number of predominantly Test server players to get that title? Does anyone without the Disruptor badge not count? Test certainly has the best of the best playing on it, there's no doubt of that. It's not all the people that PvP in the game though. In fact, like most high-level competetive environments, I'd be willing to put money on the idea that it's a minority population, the cream of the crop. And that leads to two very large points:
1) The cream of the crop does not represent anything close to a "standard" or a "normal sample". Saying that they best represent PvP as a whole is like saying that Michael Jordan is an excellent example for a standard basketball player - It's ludicrous. If they NBA based their player selection on that sort of model, there would be some unbelieveable teams... about two of them, and the season would be REAL short. It's not about Test being elitist, or NOT the best example of what PvP CAN be, but the simple fact that it's still a very small pond. We're going for the big haul here, and it takes all kinds of bait to do that.
2) Your PvP is not more important than mine. My PvP is not more important than yours. They are both important parts of having fun in the game. I can no more represent Psypunk's desires for PvP than he can mine, but Rift and Incursion can. I know from a long friendship with Incursion that he thinks radically differently than I do when it comes to fun at times, and vice versa. I do, however, always trust him to look out for my best interests when given that responsibility. Likewise, I'd like to think he and others know that I do the same. Without ALL flavors, styles, and interests in PvP getting pretty equal attention here, attendance will be skewed in favor of... gasp... the area getting the most attention And we don't WANT that.
I would suggest that some of those waving flags at the moment take a bit and register that the committee as it stands hasn't enslaved and mind controlled a handful of the best PvPers around into pursuing some wrong agenda... They're there, working, and working hard, because they believe in it. Even if YOU don't trust the people they're working with, clearly, they do so enough that they're sticking it out where others decided to leave. That should say something.
Also, keep your eyes peeled for a mission statement from the PvPEC. Please keep in mind that half the problem with the lack of information is that the committee doesn't yet know where our limits are, because we haven't had any feedback yet. Once the proposal as it stands gets returned, with whatever potential changes may be in it, expect a LOT of information. A deluge, an absolute outpouring. We want to share, we have LOTS to share. But for the love of god, BE PATIENT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY CAN GIVE YOU SOMETHING SOLID!
Hang in there guys. We're not out to dictate your game to you. We're out to try and create something that you'd want to participate in, but that, like anything else, isn't going to be thrust upon you. There's no danger here, nothing to lose, and a lot of potential for gain.
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Alright...OK...something's becoming clear. The PvPEC isn't what I thought, or what I believe PsyPunk thought.
Really and truly, I thought a committee was being put together to represent the interests of PvP players. I mean, I knew the primary function was to create events (duh, the name of the committee), but I thought it was more of a fill in the gaps for the support the devs aren't providing for the PvPers. Really, I'm starting to understand that it's more of a "create a great big party" committee. I thought you were the PvP student council, but you're the PvP prom committee.
I think that's why the big conflict w/ PsyPunk. I think he thought (as I did) that the PvPEC was supposed to represent his interests, but that's not the case at all. Of course he was upset that his interests were being "represented" by someone who didn't share or understand his interests at all.
So no, Marut, I don't think he thinks his PvP is more important than your PvP - it's just that the wires got crossed and he's arguing about something different than what the committee's really up to. Of course events for one type of player are just as important as events for another type of player. In fact, I bet the hardcore PvP community would probably state that exact same sentiment to the powers that be in charge of creating Halloween and Winter events (hint, hint).
So, if I'm starting to understand this committee thing, there really is nobody out there to represent the PvP community. But there is somebody out there to plan one hell of a shindig for 'em.
Look at it this way, Sheema. Right now, the PvP community really is a small portion of the playerbase, however vocal. As a result, the interests of that community, on the grand scale, don't get a lot of attention from developers that have to justify to the finance guys where the budget is going. That's a problem, because their interests are important.
So, what to do? Well, there's the flail incessantly against the brick wall method, which doesn't seem to work too well, because, as mentioned, the percentage of the entire playerbase involved is rather small. Needs more force. More force would require a bigger slice of the playerbase. And THAT'S where the PvPEC comes in. We're looking to do everything we can to get more people PvPing and participating in player-generated content. From a logistics standpoint with regards to making desired changes, we're looking to swell the ranks of the people involved in PvP, which would neccessitate that developers pay more attention to that portion of the game. Get people involved, and a thousand more voices get added to the cries of "Fix the arena!" and "Give us more options!".
We're an event committee, not lobbyists. That said, if this goes off well, gets player support, and makes enough noise to rattle the windows in the programming office a bit, maybe it can be more than that. Gotta do one before the other though
-M
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Uh yeah, I have heard of too many cooks spoil the soup...that is basically what the committee is now, lol. Jesus.
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So, your answer is that including Everyone wouldn't be too many people. Check.
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That's a rather elitist attitude and while I have faith in Rift and Incursion, there are plenty of other facets of this event that the players could be consulted on or included.
I think it's important for the pvpec to represent the community .... I would be willing to help with this matter, but it is going to mean people on the committee actually remember who it is they're serving ....
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So, unless you approve of the members they are just being elitist. Check
Seriously though, I do agree that we should know who the representatives are. I can understand how until they have some official OK on their plans they can't really share them, but we should definately at least know who they are.
(Also Psypunk, the reason I keep responding to you personally is that you are coming across as an elitist to me. Could be a misunderstanding, but that's how you're sounding to someone that doesn't know you from Adam.)
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[(Also Psypunk, the reason I keep responding to you personally is that you are coming across as an elitist to me. Could be a misunderstanding, but that's how you're sounding to someone that doesn't know you from Adam.)
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Why do you need to know who the rep is if you feel that you getting involved just adds one more cook to spoil the soup?
Either you agree with me that the players should be more involved and these server reps should actually be "reping" something...or...you feel your involvement would simply get in the way and you don't deserve to be consulted or asked for an opinion now and then concerning things that may affect you.
I don't need to approve of any members...the fact that involving the "community" in some of this was seen as having too many cooks I felt was elitist - as many of the players currently on the committee really have no real reason why they're involved in the first place and are no more qualified than anyone else to be doing what they're doing.
I'm sure you are as qualifed, or more so, then 80% of the current committee Kung_Pow. Now, if you don't agree with me, that's fine...but I'm only arguing for a chance to have your opinions or thoughts heard, should you have one. I'm only arguing for these "Server Reps" to actually start doing something and actually start creating a dialogue with their communities. I would guess the VAST majority don't know who their Server Reps are and most players knew nothing regarding this pvpec or this event until I started posting about it.
If voicing my opinions and trying to get some of the opinions of other players heard makes me elitist, then ok, I'm elitist.
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Why do you need to know who the rep is if you feel that you getting involved just adds one more cook to spoil the soup?
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Strawman. Never argued any of those points.
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I would guess the VAST majority don't know who their Server Reps are....
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*cough*
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Either you agree with me that the players should be more involved
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From a planning perspective, it's one thing to take a lot of ideas put forth by the community at large. but to actually involve a large number of people in "decision making" would be a mistake. It's human nature, and particularly these boards PVE folks included, that people would spend more time arguing than getting anything done. I just see what is being done as more fair than, say, letting it be a popularity or screaming contest.
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I don't need to approve of any members...
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That's not really the tone of your posts.
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the fact that involving the "community" in some of this
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Are the committee members not a part of the community?
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as many of the players currently on the committee really have no real reason why they're involved in the first place and are no more qualified than anyone else to be doing what they're doing.
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I'm guessing they might have, I don't know, volunteered when this was first brought up. Are you also saying that being like anyone else that's a part of the community makes them not qualified?
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I'm sure you are as qualifed, or more so, then 80% of the current committee Kung_Pow.
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God no. I dislike organizing things.
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Now, if you don't agree with me, that's fine...but I'm only arguing for a chance to have your opinions or thoughts heard, should you have one.
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That's one thing that I can agree with. We should be able to have our opinions and thoughts heard. However, you are still coming across as paranoid and elitist :P
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I'm only arguing for these "Server Reps" to actually start doing something and actually start creating a dialogue with their communities.
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That's fine, but if 90% of the dialogue is going to be the same complaints that have been hashed out over and over again (which is what seems to happen everytime something PVP this way comes), what's the point?
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Look at it this way, Sheema. Right now, the PvP community really is a small portion of the playerbase, however vocal. As a result, the interests of that community, on the grand scale, don't get a lot of attention from developers that have to justify to the finance guys where the budget is going. That's a problem, because their interests are important.
So, what to do? Well, there's the flail incessantly against the brick wall method, which doesn't seem to work too well, because, as mentioned, the percentage of the entire playerbase involved is rather small. Needs more force. More force would require a bigger slice of the playerbase. And THAT'S where the PvPEC comes in. We're looking to do everything we can to get more people PvPing and participating in player-generated content. From a logistics standpoint with regards to making desired changes, we're looking to swell the ranks of the people involved in PvP, which would neccessitate that developers pay more attention to that portion of the game. Get people involved, and a thousand more voices get added to the cries of "Fix the arena!" and "Give us more options!".
We're an event committee, not lobbyists. That said, if this goes off well, gets player support, and makes enough noise to rattle the windows in the programming office a bit, maybe it can be more than that. Gotta do one before the other though
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What a bunch of crap, run for President please, thanks.
P.S. Are you or ever have been employed by NCsoft/Cryptic, you do a hell of a PR job.
FYI: I have not read every posting in this topic.
It has been my experience with committees [from a work stance] is that they get very little done, because they quickly lose focus on their purpose. I personally have no idea what the intended purpose of the PvPec was or is. By the sound of what I am reading here it is not doing what was expected.
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Ex-L PLEASE explan the pruprose of this committee to me. No I don't want to hear an explanation from the committee chair or any member of the committee [remember I have little use for committees], I want to hear from Ex-L since I believe he was the one that brought the committee about.
My apologies to anyone who thinks I am being rude.
Firstly, Ex is a she, not a he.
Secondly, please scroll back through and read the two posts Ex made. You can deem from them what the committee is trying to do.
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Firstly, Ex is a she, not a he.
Secondly, please scroll back through and read the two posts Ex made. You can deem from them what the committee is trying to do.
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My apologies to Ex for getting HER gender wrong, not that gender has any importance in this matter.
2: I don' t always have time to go through 7 pages of a thread to find the valid information.
Since I am eating at my desk today i found a few minutes to read it.
I see no need for a committee to run events since people have been running events just fine without one.
I'll reserve my judgement of this committee until I see what it is going to do, especially regarding those of us who have avoided CoX PvP.
The info's in the thread, and a few others - I made a call for communication, and they've started providing it. If you're too lazy to read what's been provided, that's your own issue.
But the gist of it is, they're planning a big event, with lots of PvP fun for everyone.
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The info's in the thread, and a few others - I made a call for communication, and they've started providing it. If you're too lazy to read what's been provided, that's your own issue.
But the gist of it is, they're planning a big event, with lots of PvP fun for everyone.
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Let's address the issue of PvP vs PvE in MMos and how it is over looked in CoH because it is such a small community:
1. Well over half of all MMO players worldwide are playing on a server with open non-consensual PvP.
2. Well over 90% of all MMO players are playing a game that allows PvP.
3. There are more players playing pure PvP games than all MMO's combined.
One could argue that the overlooking of PvP is the reason that the PvP community is so small. Many guilds have come to this game in hopes of great PvP only to be let down by the development team. Here is one of the best examples imo. For Ex to say that NCSoft cant do anything about Cryptic fixing the PvP Bugs is crazy. It's like a contractor telling his client he cant do anything about how the drywallers he subbed out to do their job.
There are many problems with this committee. First off they are supposed to rep "us." Us being the entire community that PvPs. You wouldnt want your state senator to be from Iran. Would it have been so bad to have the committee be one of elected people? Do something like 3 people from every server elected for the people by the people. Also, since it seems that these are events that plan to endure the existance of CoH what about a term, such as 6 months. And what about term limits for high ranking individuals like the PvPEC Chair? What if we the people do not like the direction the committee is taking us? This is supposed to be an official committee, and as such the people should have a say. We know nothing of the actions being taken. We do know that there has been at least one member of the PvP Committee that openly stated they HATE PvP, that makes no sense. Ive heard they were removed but for other reasons, who knows.
As an outsider looking in it seems that the committee was made up from whoever sent in a message to Ex then she picked the people she wanted and left others out. From there it became people hand picked by others on the committee.
I vote open up the forums to us, dont gives us the ability to post in them but let us read them. This way we can see where the PvPEC is going and have a true view of what this official committee is doing. There is no need to be super secretive unless you feel you are doing something the community doesnt like and just want to hide it.
My fear is that the "PvP Elite" will be left in the dust because their skill is higher and therefore they can easily beat others that would be new to PvP and therefore some bias rule be put in to weaken them. I really dont know of anyone on the committee that represents the ideas of the people in this game who live to PvP.
For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views.
Benjamin Franklin
Now no matter what you are going to have these problems but it would be far better that their passions, prejudices, their error in opinion, their local interests, and selfish views were in line with ours, the people who are truly concerned with the future of PvP in this game.
One last thing. Genna how did you get the position as the PvPEC chair? What exactly is your resume for this? Ive personally never heard of you so Im wondering what exactly do these cross server events include that you ran. Also, what qualifies you to run a large unit in charge of so much? Did you go to a university and achieve some sort of leadership degree, perhaps a degree in organization? How old are you? I feel it is a valid question because a lvl of maturity comes with age and while all men are bias I feel with age people can sit aside their differences. What is your current occupation? Do you have a job where organization and leadership are paramount? I feel that all these questions are valid because you more than anyone on this committee represent us all, and I want to make sure that my interests are in the hands of someone who has a background to deal with these matters. That which isn't well administered is doomed to failure.
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The term of the committee as I understand its is to organize the event and that's it. But I could be wrong.
This committee is in no way there to promote bug fixes or try to get new pvp additions.
From what I've read its a temp committee formed to make one kick [censored] PVP event, granted the GET APPROVAL from the developer and publisher of the game.
That's all they existing to do as I understand it.
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Can someone please list what exactly they want 'represented'?
When you step into a zone, arena, or participate in a raid, what are you actually 'representing' that would be notably different from another player?
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I vote open up the forums to us, dont gives us the ability to post in them but let us read them. This way we can see where the PvPEC is going and have a true view of what this official committee is doing. There is no need to be super secretive unless you feel you are doing something the community doesnt like and just want to hide it.
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If you've ever recieved a gift before, consider the purpose of it being a secret-- it is not because the person feels you may not like it, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered in the first place.
The committee is simply organizing a big event for other players to enjoy...thats it. You eluded to the point of age in your post, and with it comes patience. That is all anyone is asking, and if excercised will reap its reward. In the meantime...
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There is currently no information being fed to the community besides the occasional we cant tell you anything.
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...check out this thread. Rift has taken the time to post both the minutes of the meeting, along with making himself available in-game for questions. It may or may not answer what you want to hear, but in tandem with my first two questions, can possibly assist with the issue.
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The info's in the thread, and a few others - I made a call for communication, and they've started providing it. If you're too lazy to read what's been provided, that's your own issue.
But the gist of it is, they're planning a big event, with lots of PvP fun for everyone.
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I'm apologize for having better things to do than read every post in every thread on the forums, pardon me for having a life and a job that are more important.
If this is the attitude of the committee members then it is clear that this PVP committee will be as useful as most committees. [In other words all talk and no action] As I said I will reserve my judgement until such time as they do something to be judged on.
Time will tell if the PVP EVENT will be fun for everyone or not.
In the meantime I will attend an upcoming unsponsored event in the hopes of learning how to get into PvP in CoH in a way that is fun.
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I'm apologize for having better things to do than read every post in every thread on the forums, pardon me for having a life and a job that are more important.
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Public Service Announcement for Self-Important Jackholes who feel the need to point out how much more important their life is than game-related stuff: DUH! With the possible exception of Cryptic/NCSoft employees who feed their families via this game, every single human being on the planet has more important things to do than anything game-related. The only thing any reasonable reader finds impressive about such a statement is the enormous size of the stick in your [censored].
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I know there was an event scheduled on my server with the PvPEC brand name, but I have no idea what difference that makes to the event (I'll come back to that in a bit).
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I forgot to come back to this, which is a shame since it's part of the source of my confusion.
The deal is this: Vince is pure awesome, and has been organizing great PvP events on Champion recently. His latest event is now an "official PvPEC event", but I can't figure out what exactly that means. As far as I can tell, the event is basically the same as any other event Vince has run lately. In fact, when his computer went belly up, the sign-up thread kind of fumbled around a bit, then the players decided it was best just to postpone the event until the organizer was back in action.
As far as I can tell, the event was going to be organized in the same fashion, rewarded in the same fashion (ie, no prizes but braggin' rights and GGs), and run in the same fashion as random ol' event by random ol' guy. When the organizer had technical difficulties, there was no committee backing him up to ensure that the event still took place, or even to officially inform of any change in plans.
So, what does it mean to be an official PvPEC event? Is it just the same as a random ol' event by a random ol' guy? If so, why bother branding it? What is the goal the committee is trying to accomplish here?
As long as I'm asking about what the committee's up to, might as well ask this, also: was the committee involved in the PvP forum reorganization?
BTW, thanks for the intros and info that has been posted in this thread already - it is appreciated.
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Ok so most of those events that Vinnie is running on Champion are educational events that are catering towards getting more people involved in casual PvP.
It's helping to learn skills, learn builds and learn the rules of some prevalent PvP tournaments and styles.
Now the reason that the actual event, the prizes, or the meetings of minutes have not been shared is because the full process of getting approval for all of those things has not yet happened.
And I hate to say it but unveiling part of a statue just to show the progress really doesn't do anyone any good.
I will say this. The proposal put forth by the PvPEC has three main events that are tied together by a story arc. That there will be events on Live servers geared at multiple levels of play styles and that the rewards that have been submitted include in game prizes as well as out of game prizes.
The problem with divulging this information is the approval process.
So patience it will all be announced as soon as we can do so. We don't want any screaming cats let out of the bag.
I can understand your points for wanting to know meeting minutes if this were a steering committee but it is an event committee... a big old party planner group, so what good is us sharing what is going to happen at the party before it is all laid out, invitations mailed, and the cake decorators contacted?
They aren't designing game changes, but they are working on increasing knowledge about PvP. So expect to see some server run activities run by members of the PvPec.
Any questions feel free to PM.
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