The thing about committees is...
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Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2007-04-19 13:07 in Everything about PvP
im not a serious pvper and im in total agreement with sheema. you cant really knock the committee because you havent had the time, or havent taken the time to read the threads concerning the PvPEC. now....before you post something else that tosses negative generalizations at another group of people, take a deeeeep breath. the committee is working out the kinks. if you want to know what is going on with the PvPEC, information is being released slowly and you're going to have to find some time to read a thread here and there, just like the rest of us.
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I have had the time...Sheema was correct in her original concerns and I apologize for not taking it more seriously.
I am embarrassed at my own naivete (sp?) ...noobness when it comes to human nature and taking people at their word.
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My fear is that the "PvP Elite" will be left in the dust because their skill is higher and therefore they can easily beat others that would be new to PvP and therefore some bias rule be put in to weaken them. I really dont know of anyone on the committee that represents the ideas of the people in this game who live to PvP.
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There were always members of the committee who represented that viewpoint. Incursion and CZ from HVND, Fury_Flechete to name a few.
Where I think the High End pvp'r loses out is in the lack of Arena events that can hypothtecially be planned due to the bugs.
While I agree with most of what you are saying...I dont believe someone has to actually be a leet pvp'r to represent their views...For example there are many people who are advocates for woman's rights who are not women...alternative lifestyle rights who are not living an alternative lifestyle...Pro Choicers who have never or would never have an abortion.
I believe its more of a character issue than what type of player they are. Personally I dont want the best skilled player representing me.. I want the person who listens and treats people with respect even when they disagree. I want someone who is going to consider the community as whole not just their own intrests yet remaining an advocate for their brand of PvP.
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We do know that there has been at least one member of the PvP Committee that openly stated they HATE PvP, that makes no sense. Ive heard they were removed but for other reasons, who knows.
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Im wondering how you would know this? Since there is a clear NDA members must agree to. If these committee members cant be trusted to keep NDA how can they be trusted in other areas..
You heard incorrectly that was NOT what was said in context..
What could have hypothetically been said was:
" I hate the attitude of some Pvp'rs" " I hate the current system of PvP and if that went away I would do a happy dance"
However that gets blown up into "I hate PvP and all PVP'rs" by people on the committee with their own agenda to see nothing but Elite PvP represented with any real ability to contribute.
While I was on the commitee NO ONE was removed for their views on PvP or their particular flavor of PvP...The member you are referring to donated extensive time into creating a PvP Tourny software for the committee that we ended up not being able to use for other various reasons...But I happen to think that makes them a pretty great person for donating their time and efforts to something they have issues with.
It should be noted that persons remarks were replied to in much more negative and disrespectful comments than anything they posted...If we want to follow that train of logic then hypothetically members of the committee posted they HATE PvE and PvE'rs and anyone who does not Test Server PvP is not a PvP'r. Anyone who they have not heard of on the PvP forums or in the PvP elite are not PvPrs in their book therefore should not be on the committee.
Anyone who denies that point of view does not exist in spades the committee...Is lying.
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im not a serious pvper and im in total agreement with sheema. you cant really knock the committee because you havent had the time, or havent taken the time to read the threads concerning the PvPEC. now....before you post something else that tosses negative generalizations at another group of people, take a deeeeep breath. the committee is working out the kinks. if you want to know what is going on with the PvPEC, information is being released slowly and you're going to have to find some time to read a thread here and there, just like the rest of us.
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I agree to a point. PvP has been around since Issue #4 and the best NCSoft/Cryptic can do is make a PvP committee??!!
If the devs do decide to revamp PvP and work out the kinks, i bet it wont happen until Issue #11 or #12. I dont have high expectations, even if this PvPEC committee pulls of a couple successful events. Besides, if NCSoft/Cryptic cared about PvP Events...they wouldnt dump this responsibility on the playerbase. They have created awesome PvE Events, they could do the same with PvP.
You have some very good points, but I would like to suggest that you don't try to shoot yourself in the foot with false premises and bad logic. The statements you have said here may or may not be true you haven't defined your terms or cited sources but what follows from them is just plain bad logic.
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1. Well over half of all MMO players worldwide are playing on a server with open non-consensual PvP.
2. Well over 90% of all MMO players are playing a game that allows PvP.
3. There are more players playing pure PvP games than all MMO's combined.
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You could use this same logic to say, "Well over half of the people in the world use forks. Therefore, we should abolish chopsticks."
Or, "Most of the United States is white. Therefore, white people should be in charge of every committee, because that would best represent the interests of the majority."
PVP is very popular in certain circumstances, in certain games, depending on implementation and environment and context. Chess is a highly popular sport but it cannot be used as an example to prove, ipso facto, that everybody who plays chess wants PVP in this game. Ditto Monopoly, Parcheesi, cribbage, Battlefield 1942, online gambling, backgammon, and the stock market. They may be considered PVP activities but it does not allow you to make statistical judgements about this population.
I'm not saying you're wrong, or that PVP isn't popular. I'm saying that if you want to win arguments and convert people to your way of thinking, use airtight logic. At best this is just a guess, and at worse, arrogant presumption that PVP is the only way to do things. It's like saying, "The sky is blue, because if it were green you wouldn't know where to stop mowing." Correct conclusion, incorrect reasoning.
If you would like to best have a means of determining how popular PVP is here then I would advocate an in-game survey of some kind. That would allow you to draw the correct conclusions.
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If you would like to best have a means of determining how popular PVP is here then I would advocate an in-game survey of some kind. That would allow you to draw the correct conclusions.
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The problem is that the committee had no real direction when it was started...Members were sent a PM from Ex Libris asking if they would be intrested in joining a committee to work on an event.
Players who can actually plan an event of the size was being looked at are not neccesarily the same players who can adequately represent what should be changed about PvP.
While I can organize a committee and events. I can not tell you how the Sonic Power Set would be best fixed for Pvp..
Therefore the members that were selected and kinda shined in the committee while planning an event are not automatically who should be leading the way in making any PvP changes assuming there are to be any...
When the committee decided to start handling actual PvP issues vs just planning an event they should have reformed or made a new commitee..
A committee designed to look into real PvP issues and solicit feedback would be great...A committee that would do things like in game surveys...
So form a survey committee. Make up a list of non-biased questions, go into the game, and begin soliciting responses. Track the respondent's global handle with their answer to prevent ballot-box stuffing.
Ask your questions in all the major zones on every server. Eliminate duplicate responses (if somebody tries to answer twice with the same global handle).
Write non-biased questions. "Does PVP suck?" is a bad example: not only is it a leading question, but it is a binary answer there is no room for "maybe" or "sometimes" or "it's good in [insert game] but I don't like it here."
Instead, be specific but bland: "Do you currently participate in open-zone PVP combat? If so, would you say a) more than 20 hours a week, b) between 10 and 20 hours a week, c) between 5 and 10 hours a week, d) fewer than 5 hours a week, or e) never."
Be sure to ask questions like, "Are you male, female, or decline to answer?" and "what is your age?" and "do you have a level 50?" and "how many servers do you play on?" and other background demographics. Also, "Do you read the forums?"
Also, "How often do you play a hero? a) more than 20 hours a week... e) almost never, f) I only own City of Villains," and the corollary, "How often do you play a villain?"
You could even throw in questions like, "Which one item would you like most to see the developers add? a) customized power colors, b) more missions, c) more zones, d) more power sets, e) more PVP, f) hero-villain crossover, g) other."
It'll take a while to gather that information, but the more answers you can get, the better. Everybody would thank you for some solid information on what people want.
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You have some very good points, but I would like to suggest that you don't try to shoot yourself in the foot with false premises and bad logic. The statements you have said here may or may not be true you haven't defined your terms or cited sources but what follows from them is just plain bad logic.
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1. Well over half of all MMO players worldwide are playing on a server with open non-consensual PvP.
2. Well over 90% of all MMO players are playing a game that allows PvP.
3. There are more players playing pure PvP games than all MMO's combined.
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You could use this same logic to say, "Well over half of the people in the world use forks. Therefore, we should abolish chopsticks."
Or, "Most of the United States is white. Therefore, white people should be in charge of every committee, because that would best represent the interests of the majority."
PVP is very popular in certain circumstances, in certain games, depending on implementation and environment and context. Chess is a highly popular sport but it cannot be used as an example to prove, ipso facto, that everybody who plays chess wants PVP in this game. Ditto Monopoly, Parcheesi, cribbage, Battlefield 1942, online gambling, backgammon, and the stock market. They may be considered PVP activities but it does not allow you to make statistical judgements about this population.
I'm not saying you're wrong, or that PVP isn't popular. I'm saying that if you want to win arguments and convert people to your way of thinking, use airtight logic. At best this is just a guess, and at worse, arrogant presumption that PVP is the only way to do things. It's like saying, "The sky is blue, because if it were green you wouldn't know where to stop mowing." Correct conclusion, incorrect reasoning.
If you would like to best have a means of determining how popular PVP is here then I would advocate an in-game survey of some kind. That would allow you to draw the correct conclusions.
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I think you misunderstand my intentions with that data.
It was a direct response to Marut saying:
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Right now, the PvP community really is a small portion of the playerbase, however vocal.
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While I agree that the CoH PvP community is a fairly small one I believe it is due to the lack of attention it is given. The statistics are to illustrate that PvP is a huge deal to people. I think CoX PvP is incredible due to how dynamic and fast paced it is, it sure beats the 2D world of WoW. But that is just my opinion, and that is what most of the forums are littered with, individuals opinions, take it how you like.
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There were always members of the committee who represented that viewpoint. Incursion and CZ from HVND, Fury_Flechete to name a few.
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Besides going to every single servers threads and looking at Rifts thread is there a PvPEC roster people can look at to see who is doing what in the PvPEC? I think the recent workings of Rift have helped a lot, finally starting to communicate with the community will lay rest to so much hear say and speculation.
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Where I think the High End pvp'r loses out is in the lack of Arena events that can hypothtecially be planned due to the bugs.
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I would have to say everyone agrees with you there. Beyond that I would have to say the PvP community has been one that has hurt itself more than anything through the elitist attitude many of us represent. Almost all of us are guilty of that and I am no exception, I have definetly had my words with people. The trouble with the internet is we can say what we want because we know we arent held responsible.
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While I agree with most of what you are saying...I dont believe someone has to actually be a leet pvp'r to represent their views...For example there are many people who are advocates for woman's rights who are not women...alternative lifestyle rights who are not living an alternative lifestyle...Pro Choicers who have never or would never have an abortion.
I believe its more of a character issue than what type of player they are. Personally I dont want the best skilled player representing me.. I want the person who listens and treats people with respect even when they disagree. I want someone who is going to consider the community as whole not just their own intrests yet remaining an advocate for their brand of PvP.
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While you dont have to be a woman to represent women rights you do have to be knowledgeable in the matter. When I say the PvP leet it is just the best word I could think of. I agree that you dont have to be the best PvPer in the game but you do have to PvP to know what you are talking about. Coaches dont play the game but they have, and they study it inside and out.
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We do know that there has been at least one member of the PvP Committee that openly stated they HATE PvP, that makes no sense. Ive heard they were removed but for other reasons, who knows.
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I finished that quote with who knows to illustrate that it may very well all be hear say. It was in response to posts that other people have made who were at one point a part of the community and from people telling me as such. Where there is smoke there is fire. This all goes back to the many posts I have made requesting better communication from the PvPEC. When comments like this are made on the forums they should be addressed as soon as someone in the PvPEC sees them. I think that is the direction Rift is going, while he is a man that cares little of politics, he seems to hate drama.
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I think you misunderstand my intentions with that data.
It was a direct response to Marut saying:
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Right now, the PvP community really is a small portion of the playerbase, however vocal.
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While I agree that the CoH PvP community is a fairly small one I believe it is due to the lack of attention it is given.
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This is still faulty reasoning ignoring data at hand.
If the PVP community is big, you can say, "See? I told you it is big."
If the PVP community is small, you can say, "The data is wrong: the community is bigger than this, we're just being ignored."
Such a response ignores the possibility that maybe the PVP community appears small is because, possibly, it might be small. You've already decided upon the answer before you begin asking the question.
Write up a survey and conduct it honestly and professionally in-game. Disallow ballot-box stuffing. Be representative and thorough in your sampling. Know the answer. Don't guess. And most of all, don't ignore data you don't like.
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I think you misunderstand my intentions with that data.
It was a direct response to Marut saying:
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Right now, the PvP community really is a small portion of the playerbase, however vocal.
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While I agree that the CoH PvP community is a fairly small one I believe it is due to the lack of attention it is given.
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This is still faulty reasoning ignoring data at hand.
If the PVP community is big, you can say, "See? I told you it is big."
If the PVP community is small, you can say, "The data is wrong: the community is bigger than this, we're just being ignored."
Such a response ignores the possibility that maybe the PVP community appears small is because, possibly, it might be small. You've already decided upon the answer before you begin asking the question.
Write up a survey and conduct it honestly and professionally in-game. Disallow ballot-box stuffing. Be representative and thorough in your sampling. Know the answer. Don't guess. And most of all, don't ignore data you don't like.
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I still dont think you understand. I am saying the PvP Community is a small one; however, the statistics I provided was to illustrate that people love to PvP. I am saying that if PvP is given more attention then people wont come to the game play a couple months get fed up with the lack of dev support and leave. I even gave a link to show a very big well known PvP Guild who left for those reasons after staying less than a year. If you build it they will come, but if once it is built and you see something was done wrong and the stadium collapses and you dont fix it they wont stay. The proof is in the pudding, there are many PvP groups that have left this game for lack of dev support.
This isnt about people that already play CoX want to PvP they jsut dont because of the bugs. This is about people who come to the game and leave it due to bugs, this is about people who play other games not coming to CoX because they have heard of how buggy our PvP system is. No one likes having the arena crash 5 times in a row. No one likes being crashed out of base raids and their rig slowed to a crawl because of all the lag. No one likes the blatant inequalities in zone PvP. I doubt you need a survey to tell you that yes the arena crashes, bases are lag fests that crash people like mad, and there are huge inequalities between builds.
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At some point I believe we will be posting an org chart or roster of some sort.
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So form a survey committee. Make up a list of non-biased questions, go into the game, and begin soliciting responses. Track the respondent's global handle with their answer to prevent ballot-box stuffing.
Ask your questions in all the major zones on every server. Eliminate duplicate responses (if somebody tries to answer twice with the same global handle).
Write non-biased questions. "Does PVP suck?" is a bad example: not only is it a leading question, but it is a binary answer there is no room for "maybe" or "sometimes" or "it's good in [insert game] but I don't like it here."
Instead, be specific but bland: "Do you currently participate in open-zone PVP combat? If so, would you say a) more than 20 hours a week, b) between 10 and 20 hours a week, c) between 5 and 10 hours a week, d) fewer than 5 hours a week, or e) never."
Be sure to ask questions like, "Are you male, female, or decline to answer?" and "what is your age?" and "do you have a level 50?" and "how many servers do you play on?" and other background demographics. Also, "Do you read the forums?"
Also, "How often do you play a hero? a) more than 20 hours a week... e) almost never, f) I only own City of Villains," and the corollary, "How often do you play a villain?"
You could even throw in questions like, "Which one item would you like most to see the developers add? a) customized power colors, b) more missions, c) more zones, d) more power sets, e) more PVP, f) hero-villain crossover, g) other."
It'll take a while to gather that information, but the more answers you can get, the better. Everybody would thank you for some solid information on what people want.
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This would be better done by email from NCSoft I think. If someone in the game just started asking questions like that, I'd ignore them. I think most people would as well.
Instead, try to get a more official looking email that tells you to log into your NCSoft account on the web. Once logged in, you would click that you wanted to start your questionnaire. Give out some prizes (a few free months subscription, some in game item, etc.) to give people an incentive to fill out the form.
"Hi, my name is Ail. I make people sick."
A partial selection from my 50's on Freedom: Ail = Ice/Traps, Luck = Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker, Mist = Bane, Pixy = Trick Arrow/Archery, Pure = Gravity/Energy, Smoke = Fire/Fire Dominator
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I still dont think you understand. I am saying the PvP Community is a small one; however, the statistics I provided was to illustrate that people love to PvP.
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You're still abusing your data! How many times must I explain this? Your quote said:
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1. Well over half of all MMO players worldwide are playing on a server with open non-consensual PvP.
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City of Heroes has open non-consensual PVP, but it would be fallacious to suggest that ALL City of Heroes players are pro-PVP simply because the game has that feature in it.
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2. Well over 90% of all MMO players are playing a game that allows PvP.
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I stipulate that this is true the game allows PVP. That doesn't mean that 90% of players like PVP.
Your example is like saying, "100% of chess players have knights at their disposal. Therefore, people like using knights."
Or like saying, "100% of restaurants have napkins. Therefore, everybody uses a napkin."
Your logic remains faulty. Some people do like to PVP just as some chess players like to use knights, and some people at restaurants use napkins but you can't prove it using the data the way you do. It would be equally valid to take your cited statistic (90% of games have PVP) and use it to "prove" that gamers hate PVP but game companies stick it in anyway.
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You have some very good points, but I would like to suggest that you don't try to shoot yourself in the foot with false premises and bad logic. The statements you have said here may or may not be true you haven't defined your terms or cited sources but what follows from them is just plain bad logic.
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1. Well over half of all MMO players worldwide are playing on a server with open non-consensual PvP.
2. Well over 90% of all MMO players are playing a game that allows PvP.
3. There are more players playing pure PvP games than all MMO's combined.
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You could use this same logic to say, "Well over half of the people in the world use forks. Therefore, we should abolish chopsticks."
Or, "Most of the United States is white. Therefore, white people should be in charge of every committee, because that would best represent the interests of the majority."
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Since this data that I collated, I'll respond. First, only someone who didn't understand statistics would make ludicrous statements like that. Second, I understand statistics. Third, that data was never used that way AFAIK, but rather to point out that PvP is popular among gamers in general. This is an important point because in today's market new MMO players are almost always already gamers. In other words, the MMO they bought isn't the first game they've played seriously. Its not matter of what makes people happy that are already here, though that is important as well, its a matter of attracting a larger audience or at least staying ahead of attrition. It was also not intended to show that PvP is more important than PvE, but rather than PvP is a critical component of a successful MMO deployment today, which is not at all the same thing as saying that PvE isn't.
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PVP is very popular in certain circumstances, in certain games, depending on implementation and environment and context. Chess is a highly popular sport but it cannot be used as an example to prove, ipso facto, that everybody who plays chess wants PVP in this game. Ditto Monopoly, Parcheesi, cribbage, Battlefield 1942, online gambling, backgammon, and the stock market. They may be considered PVP activities but it does not allow you to make statistical judgements about this population.
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First, you make several errors in logic here. AFAIK no one made claims that correlated chess players with PvP players except here in an intentionally ridiculous example. Instead what was looked at was the popularity of other 3D online games that include several key similarities to MMO's and other MMO's, trying to say that comparing the features of similar products doesn't make sense is at best uneducated and at worst an intentional misdirection of the discussion. Finally, the last and biggest mistake was not trying to draw conclusions about players already in this game, because of its lack of PvP for several years and the questionable implementation of PvP that would be a nonsensical comparison. What was I doing was looking at things that are a popular in other popular online games and especially other MMO's.
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If you would like to best have a means of determining how popular PVP is here then I would advocate an in-game survey of some kind. That would allow you to draw the correct conclusions.
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If I could, I would do exactly this, but again the key question isn't what attracts current customers...its what can I do attract new customers _and_ keep my current ones. I'm sorry to be brusque here, but this post simmered in my brain for a couple of hours before I could actually reply to it.
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Besides going to every single servers threads and looking at Rifts thread is there a PvPEC roster people can look at to see who is doing what in the PvPEC? I think the recent workings of Rift have helped a lot, finally starting to communicate with the community will lay rest to so much hear say and speculation.
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There were posts by ExL and others explaining why aspects of the event proposal/committee process are being withheld (basically because the proposal is/was pending Dev approval).
Beyond that, the majority of the hearsay and speculation was actively driven by people with an axe to grind, most notably Psypunk.
I appreciate Rift's efforts to squelch the hostility, but his success is really political in nature. Nothing much to do with the structure of the committee.
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While you dont have to be a woman to represent women rights you do have to be knowledgeable in the matter. When I say the PvP leet it is just the best word I could think of. I agree that you dont have to be the best PvPer in the game but you do have to PvP to know what you are talking about. Coaches dont play the game but they have, and they study it inside and out.
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Basically, the people involved in the committee have to be engaged in making this event happen. For whatever reason. That's the baseline. Beyond that, different committees have different requirements. If you're going to do education, yeah you need to know your stuff. If you're doing graphic design or writing a fictional backstory for the event...really, who gives a crap? I was hired by a publishing company once to do some animations of an aircraft flying over a landing strip. I can't fly a plane. I have no interest in flying. I was being paid for the use of my skillset, not my level of interest in climbing in the cockpit. It had no bearing on the success of the project.
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Third, that data was never used that way AFAIK, but rather to point out that PvP is popular among gamers in general.
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I don't dispute this I will stipulate that is true for the moment. The relevance of the statistic to this game, here and now, has not been demonstrated. You could say that "90% of MMOs are sword-and-sorcery, therefore this game needs more sword-and-sorcery." That would be a similar application of reasoning incorrectly from the general to the specific.
And to be strictly honest, it proves that PVP is available to gamers in general. You haven't proved that it is liked. 90% of cars are fuel-inefficient and pollute, but that doesn't mean drivers like it they just don't dislike it enough to do anything about it.
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First, you make several errors in logic here. AFAIK no one made claims that correlated chess players with PvP players except here in an intentionally ridiculous example.
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But the post above did not specifically excluded chess, either. Statistics like "most games are pure PVP" prove nothing unless one defines "games" and "pure" and "PVP." Chess is all three has it been included in the definition or excluded? There were no definitions at all in the quoted statistic. Which games, specifically? What is PVP, specifically? What is "pure PVP?"
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Instead what was looked at was the popularity of other 3D online games...
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Ah, there is the definition, (though none of the supporting documentation). This was missing from the post above which spewed out the statistics as if they meant something.
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What was I doing was looking at things that are a popular in other popular online games and especially other MMO's.
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A valid goal. Too bad your disciple didn't relay the relevant definitions of your study.
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If I could, I would do exactly this, but again the key question isn't what attracts current customers...its what can I do attract new customers _and_ keep my current ones.
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Then polling existing customers is half your battle. Why not do it?
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Then polling existing customers is half your battle. Why not do it?
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Would you suggest a method that could create an accurate result? AFAIK, players aren't allowed to create polls via the forums....
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Old School Legends
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Would you suggest a method that could create an accurate result? AFAIK, players aren't allowed to create polls via the forums....
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bah, no matter the poll there will be some group that will feel alienated from the event.
My vote:
If the PvPEC turns a FFA PvP Zone into a Teletubby Noob zone playing "Red Rover Red Rover" while singing "I love you, you love me" with PvE'ers....I say we go in terminator style and blow them away!! But for now, I'm just waiting to see what the PvPEC proposes despite all the flaws.
Well.
I have no interest in the commitee nor what the committee is doing. Most interesting thing I've picked up is that Genna resigned or something. That sounded kinda cool actually. But really, don't care.
If some kind of event comes out of this that's fun, I'll do it. If it's not fun, then I won't. If it's on test, I probably won't do it, but I might. But probably not.
I don't care who designs these events or how many badges they get for snuggling up to the devs. Just don't care.
Regardless, tho, based on my relative uncaring about all the little dramas, I can say this: My opinion is that 1) Ex Libris is clueless about pvp, and 2) this pvpec thing is one of the more divisive threads I've ever seen on this forum. You can excuse a community service rep for #1 -- may not be her cup of tea. But #2 is exactly opposite what that rep is supposed to accomplish.
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Then polling existing customers is half your battle. Why not do it?
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Would you suggest a method that could create an accurate result? AFAIK, players aren't allowed to create polls via the forums....
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I have already started a thread on an in-game survey in General COH, a survey conducted by players but with some controls in place to detect pollster bias. I would welcome any additional input there.
If you are hoping for something with 100% accuracy, what you want is a census, not a poll. A census is exhaustive, covering (with luck) every individual participant. A poll strives for a large but valid statistical sample and does have a margin for error. It would still be better than what we have now, which is guesswork and faulty assumptions.
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If the PvPEC turns a FFA PvP Zone into a Teletubby Noob zone playing "Red Rover Red Rover" while singing "I love you, you love me" with PvE'ers....I say we go in terminator style and blow them away!!
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So would I, man. So would I.
I wouldn't expect that to happen at all. What I would hope for in an intro to PVP event is a teamup of, for instance, Pentad teams. That would emphasize the role of buffing and team tactics. Get a veteran Pentad and 1 or 2 newbie Pentads. The newbie Pentads can fight each other while the veterans look on without interference. Then they can critique afterward and explain what they saw.
Eventually the newbie Pentads could fight the veteran Pentad directly to see what they've learned, then graduate into the open zone. I'd be up for an event like that.
Last night's event was... unconvincing for a new player. However, the Barney-Teletubbie alternative you mockingly propose needn't be the only alternative.
Gezze, for once I am glad I missed a thread.
*back to the defender forum*
Cheers!
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A camel is a horse designed by committee.
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well said. and where are the committees and red names for all the other broken stuff and interest groups here?
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A camel is a horse designed by committee.
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well said. and where are the committees and red names for all the other broken stuff and interest groups here?
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Actually, they're coming.
Ex Libris mentioned that she was taking what she had learned from the PVPEC when she begins forming committees for other player communities. I believe, however, that the thread where she said this has been deleted as it became a flame war.
Her post itself should still exist in the community digest somewhere, but I am too lazy to go look.
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I'm apologize for having better things to do than read every post in every thread on the forums, pardon me for having a life and a job that are more important.
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Public Service Announcement for Self-Important Jackholes who feel the need to point out how much more important their life is than game-related stuff: DUH! With the possible exception of Cryptic/NCSoft employees who feed their families via this game, every single human being on the planet has more important things to do than anything game-related. The only thing any reasonable reader finds impressive about such a statement is the enormous size of the stick in your [censored].
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This is just the kind of attitude I expected and that has kept me away from PvP in CoH. I would not be the least bit surprised if this is the kind of attitude that will be put forth by the "committee".
It's the same kind of attitude that has been thrown by most PVP'ers when someone lke myself looks for some help in getting into PvP. It's mighty funny that the only person that has offered casual players any kind of constructive advice is the one that resigned from the committee. MIGHTY INTERESTING IF YOU ASK ME.
I still have not passed judgement on the committee but if this is how requests are going to be treated I do not have high hopes for anything constructive coming of it.
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