Inking practice!


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Those are looking great Rowr!


 

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*huggles the rowr* we were talking in IMs about how good you are doing, but I wanted to show it here. your doin so good makes me all jelous. I might even say I hate you


 

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Yay!!!! If KV hates me then that means I have talent *lmao*


 

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You're doing a great job so far! I'm really impressed with how clean you've inked Jomaro's piece...I would have taken FOREVER to make sure my hands weren't shaking from scribbling outside the lines and ruining something of that intricacy.

Where there's a will there's a way!!


 

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that's some very nice work Rowr, probably beyond my ability to be patient and do something without rushing it. kudos


oh, and you have talent, i hate you, blah, blah, blah, wussa, wussa, wussa, etc.


Goodbye, I guess.

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Nice work!


 

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Thanks Foo Yes I'm still learning where and when to add thicker line weights. I have a general sense of how to do it, but it's the tiny little subtleties that might be escaping me. I imagine it is something that comes with practice. What I'd really like to do is take a pencils piece and ink it and then compare it to a "professional's" inking, and see what I do different and what they do different etc. Inking hair is really hard! :P

So, Jim? Pep? Jomaro? Your thoughts? I'm really eager for some good in depth feedback.

Maybe I can apprentice myself to an established artist or something :P hehe

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Okay, I'm just going to enjoy being put in the same sentence as Jim and Jomaro for a sec. Even, if it's only because my drawing was only taken as a first come, first serve for Rowr's inking.

I'm really no expert, I haven't seen very many examples of how the progresion from pencil, to ink, to colors, but I think you did a very good job IMO, Rowr. Looking back now, I realize my penciling, especially in this pic, isn't so great for inking. It seems to have a lot of light, non definitive lines, and some shading instead of cross-hatching. I think it looks okay for a pencilling, but makes it hard for an inker. It could probably use some o' that cross-hatching stuff in the shaded areas, but it might look just as good if it was colored with those areas using a darker shade.

I did notice one line you missed on the top of Slate's left belt buckle.

I can see you have talent for this, and with some more practice( I have lots of pencil sketches ), you'll be great.

-Pep


 

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Current Inking queue:
(Note: NO PARTICULAR ORDER)

Leopard Queen - Jim Tessier (Original) ( Ink ) ( Big Version)
Rowr - Jomaro Kindred (O) (I) (B)
AngelWhite - Jim Tessier (O) (I) (B)
Slate - Pep Rally (O) (I) (B)
<unknown> - Londerwost
WildFire - MaverickX
Comic Page - Solid State
Bayani - Ronin Tyger [70%]
Cross - Greymist
Roxstar - Roxstar (O) (I) (B)
Rowr - Celsia
TA - Starchasm (waiting big version)
<Clobbertime's villain> - Jim Tessier (waiting big version)
TA - CoH_NPG (waiting big version)
Lord Apollon - Jim Tessier (waiting big version)
Wolf1 & Wolf2 - Greymist (waiting big versions)
Feral Kat - Jim Tessier

Note: If I left someone out PLEASE slap me around a little and let me know

Added Angel White by Jim Tessier and Roxstar... by... Roxstar.


 

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You left me out silly.


 

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OK gang... glad to see that everyone is helping Rowr out for her inking practice. Now using that as a preamble, I am authorizing everyone that I have drawn a picture for on these forums the right to share it with Rowr to practice her skills. I think that she's doing a really nice job, and it's getting better.

That being said, here is a couple of critiques: ::cracking knuckles::

Your work on my pictures are good, but I see that your line weights are very similar in both the inside and outside of the form. I know that I'm working on making my line weights for pencils better, and if you're only mirroring what I've lain down, then I take the blame for the sameness for the line weights.

On the leopard queen: I love it, but it seems like you've made the eye pupils as a single mass instead of how I had drawn it. It could have been the scan, but I know I tried to separate the colored part of the eye from the whites and the blacks from the colored section. Again, if this is due to something on my part, then I apologize.

Angel White: Since this is my first main toon, I have a certain attachment to her. Again, the line weights seem all the same, but it's not that way on the original. I'm looking at my scanned work on photobucket as I type this so, I'm not just spouting out nonsense. Also, the stitching for Angel's outfit from the opening of the top towards the bottom is missing. I wanted to show that her outfit was actual clothing and not painted on. Not putting down those lines in the inking defeats the purpose. See my point? I'm not trying to sound ornery, but If I put down a line, then I have a reason for it. The inking you've done is sound, but if you don't put down the lines as the penciller sees an outfit, which by the way, you've mentioned that you don't want to change, or to change the picture itself, but in essence... you have changed it. You need to stick to what you say. If you do not want to change what the penciller puts down, then put down the inks just as thick and as thin as the penciller does. Don't ignore the small lines of cloth, as they give a costume weight. The tattoo of "TJAW" for Angel... it needed to be inked... you missed it.

The little things make a big picture larger than life and also make it more real for the reader/viewer. In My Opinion.

This is not to discourage you at all. In fact, Rowr, I think that you've got a great eye and a desire to be a better artist, and I'm in your corner. I hope that you continue with your practicing and that you get better with each picture!!

and now... ::stepping off soapbox::

Take what I offer with a grain of salt or to heart, but don't let it discourage you. I wish you all the best, Rowr... I always have!

Your Fellow Artist...

Jim

P.S. I am away from my home visiting family right now, so the hi res scans will not be forthcoming for at least the next 6 days. Sorry guys.


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Oh !

Well Greymist sent me something else big so I thought he wanted that... tell him send me high res versions!

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Hope these Are ok.... If not PM me your e-mail and I will send bigger files.

Just remember the originals are from my doodle book wich is 8"x5"

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Rowr -- you may have found your calling here! Great stuff. And the best way to get better in ANY art form: practice, practice, practice! Keep going and I can't wait to see the results!


 

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Rowr, a larger version here. It is super rough and many broken lines. See if your inking skill could fix it. Challenge! Challenge!


 

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Don't worry Jim, take as much time as you need getting back. We'll be here. 8)


 

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soooo....Rowr?


Sorry I am just looking foward to your inking (of my pencils)


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Hehe I"ve been really swamped at work this week, I haven't been able to do -any-thing I'll get to it!! I pawmise!


 

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Yeah I decided I don't have the patience to ink in photoshop. It was taking me 10x as long just to do a single line I could do with one stroke of my hand. So yeah it's all by hand. Granted by hand it's a little more shakey and not as 'smooth' but that's why they're done really big and then resized smaller, that removes a lot of the jitteryness.


 

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Hehe I"ve been really swamped at work this week

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translation: she's been chatting with me in IRC


 

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*taps watch* Ah Rowr, when did you start thinking you have a life outside of the cox world *shakes head* bad Rowr bad. Now get those fingers ink stained, but watch the fur especially with your tendency not to cover it.

Just kidding Rowr take your time RL unfortunately takes center stage, and we will have to get used to you not being around *points to vacation counter* Have fun not being here!!!


 

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Hehe I"ve been really swamped at work this week, I haven't been able to do -any-thing I'll get to it!! I pawmise!

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RL happens. Take your time.


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Hello RowR,

I'm here to offer my advice and two or three cents. Thats all the change I got and I need the rest for the bus.

Firstly, anything artistic is an opportunity to improve. And, it's an opportunity to take. I don't care what artist you talk or look up to, it could be a "masterpiece" in your eyes...bu all the artist sees are flaws and the frustration of not getting whats in his/her head onto paper. One may never get that exactlly. As long as we all as artists acknowledge that, you can learn and grow.

My first sktechbook showing to an artist was to Sergio Aragones of Mad magazine and Groo fame. He told me SO much of what I was missing from my inking, and what I should do. And this is from a man who doesnt even pencil a page, he straight inks them from top left to bottom right! And even he told me he doesn't think his inking is what he envisions!

Now an Inkers job is not, as they say in "Chasing Amy", a tracer. The inkers jobs is to augment and enhance the drawing more than the penciler envisioned. You apply the weight to the drawing, solidify the light sources, balnce the laypout with positive and negitive shapes, even correct the flaws of the penciler...depending how loose the rough pencil layouts are.

By inking a cylinder, you can convey that is's plactic, heavy, metal, flat, round, reflective, or matte. You've got a lot of choices. Is that line fabric? Should i place the nose in cast shadow?

A favorite story of mine is one of Bill Seinkiwicz drawing a Moon Knight cover with a werewolf. He made some beautifully tight pencils of the wolf, then started to ink. It didnt look ominous enough. he started to apply more inks, darker shadings, changing the light source. Still not the feeling he wamnted, so he inked over more pencil. When he was done, the cover consisted only of a completely black cover with two wolf pupils, teeth, and blood dripping from them...thats it!

try using different mediums to ink (i dont suggest softwear, inking is organtic). I use technical pens, gel pens, markers, brushes. Use a sketchbook and go out into the world (or mall) and quick-ink things and people. work out your hand, and mind!

Sorry for the length, but having taught art before, I get in encouraging mode...lol

I usually "ink" tight pencils on my work, but I'd be happy to do some really rough sketchs, with some subtle lessens built in, so you can practice line weight and light sources.

You don't know how much we pencilers appriciate inkers. I coinsider them as important, if not more.


 

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No kidding there. Alot of the professional artists I've worked with have a specific inker that they prefer to use. Yvel Guichet for instance, prefers that I send his commissions to Rubinstein. Gene Colan will only let Gutierrez ink his commissions. It's tough to really find a good inker, but you know if you really want some great advice, go to a comic book convention and chat with Scott Hanna or Scott Williams. I sat down with Hanna for instance and listened to him give a 1 hour lesson on inking to two other artists. By the way, Rubinstein finished the inks on the Eaglesham sketch, Rowr. Send me a scan of your inks on that, and I'll forward it to him for some constructive criticism.


 

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try using different mediums to ink (i dont suggest softwear, inking is organtic).

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It depends on how you use it. If you have a Wacom tablet and tweak your brushes correctly in Photoshop, you can make it as organic as if you were using pens and brushes. Actually, if you control the fade correctly, it will have MORE of an organic look than technical pens. I'm helping a buddy ink his comic book right now, and he wanted a classic European style to the inks, but he wanted it done in Photoshop. It took me a little bit of messing around in the brush menu, but I got it to work for me. So I'm not using any of those digital inking tricks that give work a mechanical kind of look, I'm basically just drawing with my tablet.