For the TV contact:
If it is a 45-50 contact, can you still receive missions from the TV if you have never talked to it prior to hitting level 50? If you CAN, there is no problem here since you could always get the infamy badge later. If you CAN'T, because hitting level 50 turns off the contact, then this is a big, big problem for all the reasons already expressed in this thread.
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For the TV contact:
If it is a 45-50 contact, can you still receive missions from the TV if you have never talked to it prior to hitting level 50? If you CAN, there is no problem here since you could always get the infamy badge later. If you CAN'T, because hitting level 50 turns off the contact, then this is a big, big problem for all the reasons already expressed in this thread.
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Say for a moment you can hit 50 and keep on working for the Infamy badge...
How long do you end up grinding at 50 for the badge? And then, is that amount of grind worth it for 6 missions?
Most other contacts in the game either unlock thru the course of normal play (like Sonata, Dumont, Jaeger) perhaps with a slight diversion to finish them off in time, or unlock with a rather short grind (about 60-90 minutes for Lunata and Slot Machine).
i was lookin for those consigs last night and found very few in 30 minutes (about 1 a minute)
went back to port and started racking up the capo kills a lot faster
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Say for a moment you can hit 50 and keep on working for the Infamy badge...
How long do you end up grinding at 50 for the badge? And then, is that amount of grind worth it for 6 missions?
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Remember, too, that Midas Touch has no status bar, is incredibly difficult to track the numbers independently, and still precludes prestige-earning (even level 50s can earn prestige!). We also have very few players who've hit the post-45 game - we don't know if the missions run out yet, which is one of the big problems with the extant late game for villains. Oh, and we still have the accolade equivalent tied up in TV's missions that heroes get 10-15 levels earlier.
Considering the devs have stated that they realize there are problems with the base system, you'd think they wouldn't go out of their way to exacerbate the problem with stuff like this.
one problem with the TV is that people are going out of SG mode LONG before hitting 45. So even if a month from now the Devs see this is a problem and change the requirement, a lot of SGs will have lost a lot of income from people who got the badge and from people still working on the badge. So this really has to change before I7 goes live.
The accolade requirement makes the TV's missions that much more in-demand. If you don't want to leave SG mode, you could find someone to team with and experience the content. but with the badge being needed as it is, you may not be able to find that spot on the team.
People used to get accused of extorting higher levels for the Fortune Teller mission. and really, was 100k Influence a problem for people with 300 million? What will the going rate be for this mission if most of the players don't want to hurt their SG by getting the contact?
Looking at the Prestige I've earned on my 40's, I would estimate this would deny my SG 150,000 Prestige if I went out of SG Mode long enough to get the badge.
If a SG was offered a series of 6 missions at a cost of 150k, would they think this was a good cost? That would not go over well at all, I think. Imagine if the SG SF cost 150k to start!
I would just like to add 3 new possible requirements for the High Pain Threshold Accolade. My first copy to test didnt recieve it but my second copy did. The badges I have earned since the first copy was made are: Bad Luck, Raider, and Shrouded.
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i was lookin for those consigs last night and found very few in 30 minutes (about 1 a minute)
went back to port and started racking up the capo kills a lot faster
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Do NOT go to Port Oakes, that place is a waste of time if you are looking for Marcone Consigs. Marcone Consigs spawn like rats in St Martial (in The Flop. Look around for small groups of family and you will find at LEAST one boss per spawn. Some have two or three)
i wasnt looking for consigs in port, i was killin the marcone capos 
i was there at about 3am, so there weren't many other players, that might be why there weren't many consigs spawning
shrouded can't be a requirements, it's only being given currently from a bug in certain missions
bad luck and raider could be requirements though
raider took a while to get 
i hope that's not a requirement as well as gangbuster
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shrouded can't be a requirements, it's only being given currently from a bug in certain missions
bad luck and raider could be requirements though
raider took a while to get i hope that's not a requirement as well as gangbuster
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I'm leaning towards Raider being a requirement because for some reason I associate being in Sirens Call for 5 straight hours with pain... 
Edit: Although come to think of it, it seems a might bit unreasonable to make that kind of badge a requirement as only hardcore pvpers would tend to have it.
i dont think they need to all be in a row anymore, since the bars for the pvp zone badges are about half full on some of my characters...
also who do you kill for the "defeat the leaders of the family" badge? it's the one right before zookeeper (rikti monkeys), which is the bottom one
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For the TV contact:
If it is a 45-50 contact, can you still receive missions from the TV if you have never talked to it prior to hitting level 50? If you CAN, there is no problem here since you could always get the infamy badge later. If you CAN'T, because hitting level 50 turns off the contact, then this is a big, big problem for all the reasons already expressed in this thread.
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Say for a moment you can hit 50 and keep on working for the Infamy badge...
How long do you end up grinding at 50 for the badge? And then, is that amount of grind worth it for 6 missions?
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It seems very likely that a 50 can start the missions. It's definitely a 45+ contact - I had Midas Touch at 44, it wouldn't talk to me.
And it's not just 6 missions - it's 3 full story arcs plus some extra missions. I got just about an entire level at 45 doing only the Television. It's worth it.
I'm not sure how much grind we're really looking at. In the late 40s you earn a lot of inf per level...it might be no big deal to run SG mode from 25-40 and try to make up the 20 million later.
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shrouded can't be a requirements, it's only being given currently from a bug in certain missions
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In issue 7, those Shrouded missions instead give the Shady badge. This would seem to be correct behavior now, the badge text makes sense for Villains. So I would think it's fair game for Accolades.
Unfortunately I'm missing too many other I7 badges to contribute any further to this analysis.
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It seems very likely that a 50 can start the missions. It's definitely a 45+ contact - I had Midas Touch at 44, it wouldn't talk to me.
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45+ could mean 45-49 or 45-50.
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And it's not just 6 missions - it's 3 full story arcs plus some extra missions. I got just about an entire level at 45 doing only the Television. It's worth it.
I'm not sure how much grind we're really looking at. In the late 40s you earn a lot of inf per level...it might be no big deal to run SG mode from 25-40 and try to make up the 20 million later.
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I still don't see it being worth the grind or the cost to the SG.
I doubt people will stay in SG Mode until 40. I see people drop SG Mode at 25 to save for 30 enhancements, even though this is horribly inefficient. My 150k Prestige estimate was based on someone at or near 50 - it's going to be more like 500k if people stay out of SG Mode until gettig Midas Touch.
Consider the point of view of a SG Leader when a large number of players in the 25-45 range will not be earning Prestige. Are they worth roster spots? Suddenly, SGs are full of 50's who have nothing better to do than grind Prestige, and they'll be lacking the people on their way up. We've been told the whole Prestige system was balanced to make lower level members appealing to a SG. Well, lowe levels aren't appealing if they're going to run out of SG Mode that much!
Everything is a tradeoff, and running in SG Mode is a choice. Changing that choice to include unlocked content, I think, is a horrible move.
Summarizing this whole issue: Midas Touch is a poor requirement to unlock content because...
- it's not fun to acquire.
- it's not something you can specifically work at. It's a by-product of gaining XP, not an achievement in itself.
- it's not something your teammates can specifically assist you in acquiring.
- chasing after it hurts your Supergoup.
- it's very superfluous - selling loot will give you almost enough Infamy to cover every SO you need, you will only need a few million more to finish the job, not 20 million more.
- people already complain about the Bling badge being a requirment.
I fail to see how any amount of content is worth those problems when there are 200 other badges they could choose from that do not have those issues!
I would be very interested in hearing a Developer give their reasoning for choosing Midas Touch for this instead of some other badges.
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45+ could mean 45-49 or 45-50.
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Actually it means 45-50 contacts have 5 levels to use them...
But still every bit of infamy you earn is a bit of prestige you don't...
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In issue 7, those Shrouded missions instead give the Shady badge. This would seem to be correct behavior now, the badge text makes sense for Villains. So I would think it's fair game for Accolades.
Unfortunately I'm missing too many other I7 badges to contribute any further to this analysis.
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I wonder if the current Shrouded will be changed to Shady for those that already have it?
However the badge is Bad Luck that is linked with High Pain.
The brute in my SG has more badges than I do and got no HPT on test, he has the Shrouded an raider badges as well...he didn't have imploding and bad luck and that was it. He got imploding an still nothing...so must be bad luck.
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I'm leaning towards Raider being a requirement because for some reason I associate being in Sirens Call for 5 straight hours with pain...
Edit: Although come to think of it, it seems a might bit unreasonable to make that kind of badge a requirement as only hardcore pvpers would tend to have it.
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Or anyone that spends time in Sharkhead, or anyone that does Silver Mantis's SF...
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Summarizing this whole issue: Midas Touch is a poor requirement to unlock content because...
- it's not fun to acquire.
- it's not something you can specifically work at. It's a by-product of gaining XP, not an achievement in itself.
- it's not something your teammates can specifically assist you in acquiring.
- chasing after it hurts your Supergoup.
- it's very superfluous - selling loot will give you almost enough Infamy to cover every SO you need, you will only need a few million more to finish the job, not 20 million more.
- people already complain about the Bling badge being a requirment.
I fail to see how any amount of content is worth those problems when there are 200 other badges they could choose from that do not have those issues!
I would be very interested in hearing a Developer give their reasoning for choosing Midas Touch for this instead of some other badges.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
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Looking at the Prestige I've earned on my 40's, I would estimate this would deny my SG 150,000 Prestige if I went out of SG Mode long enough to get the badge.
If a SG was offered a series of 6 missions at a cost of 150k, would they think this was a good cost? That would not go over well at all, I think. Imagine if the SG SF cost 150k to start!
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I think that the loss of prestige is being rather overstated. Let me put it more this way.
20 million infamy is sufficient to supply 10 characters in your SG with enough infamy to purchase all enhancements up to level 22. In other words, it's enough for two full loadouts of DOs *and* a full loadout of level 25 SOs on TEN characters, with quite a bit left over.
20 million infamy is enough to supply 10 level 32 or 37 characters with sufficient infamy to purchase a full loadout of level 35 or 40 SOs. This allows those characters to stay in SG mode for much longer at lower levels, when they would be earning less infamy than the level 50 is. However, they still contribute the exact same amount of prestige.
Mathematical logic suggests that having 10 level 32-37 characters in SG mode would earn your SG a great deal more prestige than having one level 50 in SG mode. Mathematical logic also suggests that it is much more effective to have lower-level characters in your SG working at the peak of *their* efficiency, something that is not possible at low levels without outside gifts of infamy.
Of course, I tend to have the odd idea that SG members should work with each other, and cooperate, and even share resources. I'm sure not everyone would agree with this. I'm sure there's people out there that insist that *every* member of their SG be in SG mode at ALL times, regardless of whether or not their members have anything resembling enough infamy to purchase their Enhancements. And I'm sure that there are many SGs where there are no entry requirements other than having a character, and some members are cordially disliked by half the other members.
All I can say is this...I'd rather rely on my higher level members, or BE the higher level member, to enable the lower level members to both earn Prestige *and* purchase enhancements. I'd rather have SGs where I actually care about the members, and don't mind donating infamy to them. The whole SG functions better.
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The problem with that argument is what if those lower level people want to earn the Bling badge for Doc Buzzsaw or want to earn the Midas Touch badge for the Television? Basically you have people going from 1-25 in SG mode and then dropping out immediately after and staying out.
So as a result, you're getting maybe 100k Prestige from them during those 25 levels AND you end up with multiple sugardaddies in the SG. If they want to do the content for these two contacts, this is pretty much how they have to do it. Or grind for multiple days on end.
If you have people in your SG that absolutely don't care about content, then that's one thing and they can stay in SG mode longer, but otherwise, it's one or the other.
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The problem with that argument is what if those lower level people want to earn the Bling badge for Doc Buzzsaw or want to earn the Midas Touch badge for the Television? Basically you have people going from 1-25 in SG mode and then dropping out immediately after and staying out.
So as a result, you're getting maybe 100k Prestige from them during those 25 levels AND you end up with multiple sugardaddies in the SG. If they want to do the content for these two contacts, this is pretty much how they have to do it. Or grind for multiple days on end.
If you have people in your SG that absolutely don't care about content, then that's one thing and they can stay in SG mode longer, but otherwise, it's one or the other.
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Actually...
...on my 50th I can EASILY earn about a million influence by selling at the right stores and not playing in SG mode in an evening/day, by not playing solo. Without even pushing myself.
I know, because I used to do it whenever I'd drop below 10 million influence.
Assuming a character will earn about a million or two naturally before the Prestige/Inf cutoff, that means that with a little work you can earn the needed 20 million in under a month of playtime.
As the content will never expire--it's a 50th contact--whats bad with this?
On my main 40th villain I alternated VG/out of VG mode every other level after the cutoff and will continue to do so. I'll probably be able to open the TV not too far after I ding 50th.
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I wonder if the current Shrouded will be changed to Shady for those that already have it?
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It does. This appears they simply changed the badge text for Villains, similar to Villain/Reformed and others.
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The problem with that argument is what if those lower level people want to earn the Bling badge for Doc Buzzsaw or want to earn the Midas Touch badge for the Television? Basically you have people going from 1-25 in SG mode and then dropping out immediately after and staying out.
So as a result, you're getting maybe 100k Prestige from them during those 25 levels AND you end up with multiple sugardaddies in the SG. If they want to do the content for these two contacts, this is pretty much how they have to do it. Or grind for multiple days on end.
If you have people in your SG that absolutely don't care about content, then that's one thing and they can stay in SG mode longer, but otherwise, it's one or the other.
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I wouldn't say that. I ran my villain main in SG mode until level 26, then I dropped her out so she could afford some SOs. She had Bling just before she hit level 29. Not so bad, that, that's only about two and a half levels where I'm not earning prestige. If I've got a sugar-daddy, I can switch right back into SG mode the second I get Bling and not worry or stress about affording my mid-level enhancements.
It's pure silliness to try to get the Midas Touch badge by earning Infamy through your 30s and early 40s - You're just not making half as much infamy as a level 45+ character does. In a purely logical sense, it is FAR more effective AND FASTER for a 45-50 character to drop out of SG mode and work towards Midas Touch than it is for a 30-45 character to do it, you make 3-4 times the infamy at the upper levels than you do at the mid levels.
Let me put it this way. I started a Citadel TF with my level 50 hero last night. She had 400K of debt on her to start with, and three deaths during the course of the TF. When exemplared, I go into SG mode when in debt and out of SG mode if not in debt. She earned 2.5 million influence during the course of the task force. There's 11 missions in the Citadel TF, and we did stealth as much as possible. Y'know? I just earned a full tenth of the requirements for that badge in eleven missions. *Without*, I might add, mission bonus influence, since exemplars don't get mission bonus on live at the moment.
Let me see here. My level 32 villain doesn't earn that much in THREE LEVELS worth, much less a single short afternoon of work. Why on earth would I grind for Midas Touch in my mid-30s when it's infinitely faster to do it in my high 40s? That's just *silly*. In my considerably less than humble opinion, of course. *grins*
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Permanent resident of Virtue
"Mommy, I need Cthulhu. He keeps the bad dreams away."
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Actually...
...on my 50th I can EASILY earn about a million influence by selling at the right stores and not playing in SG mode in an evening/day, by not playing solo. Without even pushing myself.
I know, because I used to do it whenever I'd drop below 10 million influence.
Assuming a character will earn about a million or two naturally before the Prestige/Inf cutoff, that means that with a little work you can earn the needed 20 million in under a month of playtime.
As the content will never expire--it's a 50th contact--whats bad with this?
On my main 40th villain I alternated VG/out of VG mode every other level after the cutoff and will continue to do so. I'll probably be able to open the TV not too far after I ding 50th.
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selling enhancements does not count toward influence badges. you only recieve the badge for influence earned, which is significantly less than what you can get from selling (one mission complete bonus is equal to selling one even-level SO).
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...on my 50th I can EASILY earn about a million influence by selling at the right stores and not playing in SG mode in an evening/day, by not playing solo. Without even pushing myself.
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I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that infamy gained from selling enhancements etc. doesn't count towards those badges at all - only infamy gained from actual mob defeats / mission completion etc. does.
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Actually...
...on my 50th I can EASILY earn about a million influence by selling at the right stores and not playing in SG mode in an evening/day, by not playing solo. Without even pushing myself.
I know, because I used to do it whenever I'd drop below 10 million influence.
Assuming a character will earn about a million or two naturally before the Prestige/Inf cutoff, that means that with a little work you can earn the needed 20 million in under a month of playtime.
As the content will never expire--it's a 50th contact--whats bad with this?
On my main 40th villain I alternated VG/out of VG mode every other level after the cutoff and will continue to do so. I'll probably be able to open the TV not too far after I ding 50th.
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selling enhancements does not count toward influence badges. you only recieve the badge for influence earned, which is significantly less than what you can get from selling (one mission complete bonus is equal to selling one even-level SO).
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OK, so I open the TV after like 30-40 days instead of 15-20. I've been 50th on my main for nearly or longer than a year, and still play him.
My point is that the complaints on this aren't worth merit...
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btw for gangbuster it's just the marcone capos in port that count towards it, i got it yesterday on a character (took a while!)
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I actually recieved mine from hunting Marcone Consigs in St. Martial, so its not just the PO ones that count.
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Yea, the NE corner has an area where they always spawn, that's how i got my badge too.
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Omg really? SWEET. I was hunting the PO ones ALL DAY and only got it 1/4 of the way up. I'll be doing that tomorrow, especially if they give exp! I'll hit 40 AND get High Pain Threshold.