Patron Powers: Captain Mako - Leviathan Mastery
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Aeacus,
Posted on: 2006-05-01 24:42 in Developers' Corner
Hit lvl 47, I'll have pics of my pet up as soon as test stops Mapservering.
Yeah, soon as I die... 
Here are a few pics of him. He's level 47(same as me) hits like a truck, uses stone cage, has a hammer(like me) and can keep up and just about do as much damage as me, probably more. So this is probably why all our other powers seem so... bleh(cept for chum spray CHUM YOUR LIIIFE1!!) tho i'd like a recharge cut on the pet, that much awesome shouldn't have a 15min recharge time.
I unleashed him on some lvl 40s, caaarnage.
Summoning
Size comparison and dance contest, I won.
ZOMG!! HOMERUN!!111!!
He's my buddy and I'll definately use him on mayhem missions to help me with the end boss/hero. I wanna show him to everyone!
boy he sure is ugly though
ps can you make him do emotes?
try /petsay_all <em drumdance>
it works for my mm's 
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boy he sure is ugly though
ps can you make him do emotes?
try /petsay_all <em drumdance>
it works for my mm's
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Don't believe you can. 
@Lasher
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boy he sure is ugly though
ps can you make him do emotes?
try /petsay_all <em drumdance>
it works for my mm's
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Don't believe you can.
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But I thought it was controlled like a MM pet??
Anyway.. he's cute.. aw...
I'd rather have that Coral Hammer though.. meh.. I'll wait for the Coralax EAT..
nope he's sorta like a troller pet. I wish he's stay around longer...
Out of all the stuff I've fought he only managed to get kill by Mynx during a mayhem mish. So if he's that strong then the corruptor and dom pets must be insane.
Well the Dom Mako pets are the 'Blue' Hybrids - which in their mob incarnations are only Lt-class. Corruptors get the full 'Red' Hybrids which are Boss-class as mobs. I'm guessing they all end up with similar hitpoints as the pet incarnations, but the 'boss-class' ones having a wider variety of powers.
I only just hit 41.1 on my Dom so I'm a fair way from testing it out I'm afraid.
as per usual i'm starting to have second thoughts about my previous comments, but I'll hold my judgement till i've slotted it with atleast 1 acc and 3 dam.
That recharge is a definate put off to the pet powers though. I hope the feedback we provide promotes a positive change in this PPP.
Hey people, thanx for all the testing you are doing.....I am definetly looking at Mako for my Stalker.
"I'm not scared of anyone or anything Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?"
Jack Hawksmoor, The Authority.
Agreed, this is BY FAR the best thread for testing of the PPPs.
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If you fail = you get the Leviathan arc and fight Mako himself
If you don't fail = after McKnight, he tells you to come back at 45
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Hmm well that's weird - coz I didn't fail the first mission (Agent Greer), and I just completed the initial arc (where you get the badger and unlock the Patron Pool by defeating McKnight) and he has just given me a new mission in Sharkhead to investigate the Leviathan - which sounds like this second arc you are talking about.
The only thing perhaps that may be different is that I had almost made it to 41 before I began his arc (only recently discovered the workaround for crashing in Grandville so I'd been doing Nerva missions I had left over) so I actually dinged 41 before I unlocked his Patron Pool - maybe it is like those Kheldian arcs which were a bit bugged and didn't give you the missions at quite the right levels. Were those who didn't get his second arc still 40 at the time? Maybe see if he will give you that second arc afterall once you are 41?
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Agreed, this is BY FAR the best thread for testing of the PPPs.
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Thanks! We have a strong devotion to duty here. 
Repeat Offenders
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as per usual i'm starting to have second thoughts about my previous comments, but I'll hold my judgement till i've slotted it with atleast 1 acc and 3 dam.
That recharge is a definate put off to the pet powers though. I hope the feedback we provide promotes a positive change in this PPP.
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Hey...didn't ask ya in-game, but can you "slide" him inspirations?
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If you fail = you get the Leviathan arc and fight Mako himself
If you don't fail = after McKnight, he tells you to come back at 45
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Hmm well that's weird - coz I didn't fail the first mission (Agent Greer), and I just completed the initial arc (where you get the badger and unlock the Patron Pool by defeating McKnight) and he has just given me a new mission in Sharkhead to investigate the Leviathan - which sounds like this second arc you are talking about.
The only thing perhaps that may be different is that I had almost made it to 41 before I began his arc (only recently discovered the workaround for crashing in Grandville so I'd been doing Nerva missions I had left over) so I actually dinged 41 before I unlocked his Patron Pool - maybe it is like those Kheldian arcs which were a bit bugged and didn't give you the missions at quite the right levels. Were those who didn't get his second arc still 40 at the time? Maybe see if he will give you that second arc afterall once you are 41?
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That's such BS, and I'm very disappointed that the devs aren't paying attention to this (no offense to the devs.) This is obviously a problem, can we have a dev look at this please?
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Well the Dom Mako pets are the 'Blue' Hybrids - which in their mob incarnations are only Lt-class. Corruptors get the full 'Red' Hybrids which are Boss-class as mobs. I'm guessing they all end up with similar hitpoints as the pet incarnations, but the 'boss-class' ones having a wider variety of powers.
I only just hit 41.1 on my Dom so I'm a fair way from testing it out I'm afraid.
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Aren't the Coral Gaurdians you summon bosses? if so, then that equates to the Red Coralax-Hybrid since the Reds are bosses as well, but IMO, the one reason why the Dominators don't get the Red one is because they already have pets, maybe?
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Aren't the Coral Gaurdians you summon bosses? if so, then that equates to the Red Coralax-Hybrid since the Reds are bosses as well, but IMO, the one reason why the Dominators don't get the Red one is because they already have pets, maybe?
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Well two of the other Patron's give Dom's 'boss-level' pets (Scirocco gives them Mu Guardians, Black Scorpion gives them Toxic Tarantulas) so that theory doesn't quite work - not sure why Mako and Ghost Widow give Dom's a bit of a shaft with their pets - but I'll wait till I see how the various pets compare first before going completely mad 
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Patron and Ancilery powers in general aren't intended to be uber since they totally break the purpose of the AT. Since you don't get them until the 40s you can't enhance them as much either. Just be grateful that every villain has the potential for a pet, that alone increases their DPS and acts as an aggro reducer.
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I heard a rumor that pet recharge isn't enhanceable, which means the pets will be up less than a third of the time if it's true. Just a rumor, though, I haven't checked into it.
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Yeah, soon as I die...
Here are a few pics of him. He's level 47(same as me) hits like a truck, uses stone cage, has a hammer(like me) and can keep up and just about do as much damage as me, probably more. So this is probably why all our other powers seem so... bleh(cept for chum spray CHUM YOUR LIIIFE1!!) tho i'd like a recharge cut on the pet, that much awesome shouldn't have a 15min recharge time.
I unleashed him on some lvl 40s, caaarnage.
Summoning
Size comparison and dance contest, I won.
ZOMG!! HOMERUN!!111!!
He's my buddy and I'll definately use him on mayhem missions to help me with the end boss/hero. I wanna show him to everyone!
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LOL that's me on the far right of that last picture. Thanks for the awaken last night buddy and congrats on the pet. He really does kick [censored] I saw it myself.
Did more testing, the pet can ALMOST outdamage me unslotted when i'm out little fury, when fury builds his damage is pretty much dwarfed. 3 damages should put him at an accpetable level.
Also I need to stop goofing off and get more numbers on chum spray. Gonna throw it at some +2 and +3 longbow to see how it turns out. Of course I'll be using IBM Ref's Data format.
I'll start as soon as test comes back up.
Also:
Devs please make scrolling through the tabs easier, its really hard to find old numbers cuz the scrolling is so erratic.
Captain Mako's Mission Interrogate the Circle of thorns I think the mission is called is extremely [Censored]. My team and I went into the mission door and there was a totally black map and we couldnt move. A GM has to be called on this one to move you and your teammates to the better part of the map. Overall Mako's arc is so far amazing. Loving it very much.
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Did more testing, the pet can ALMOST outdamage me unslotted when i'm out little fury, when fury builds his damage is pretty much dwarfed. 3 damages should put him at an accpetable level.
Also I need to stop goofing off and get more numbers on chum spray. Gonna throw it at some +2 and +3 longbow to see how it turns out. Of course I'll be using IBM Ref's Data format.
I'll start as soon as test comes back up.
Also:
Devs please make scrolling through the tabs easier, its really hard to find old numbers cuz the scrolling is so erratic.
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Cosmic can you confirm/deny that we can NOT slot recharge for the pet? There's been some information posted, in this thread and others, that states that we can't slot the pets for recharge. However its always best to *ask* the person who actually has a pet now.
You made a post a few pages back about the rechagre being a letdown but I wasnt sure if you meant just the long recharge in general or whether or not we could slot it. Thanks alot for the info regarldess and congrats on leveling so quick!
For the Brute pet:
Enhance Slow Movement
Reduce Endurance Cost
Enhance Range
Enhance Knockback
Enhance Immobilization
Enhance Damage
Enhance Accuracy
Can't slot recharge in thar. Now to the test numbers.
Edit: At lvl 47 he cons yellow to me and has 1060 hp and has an auto power that makes him resistant to smashing and lethal
CHUM SPRAY(Bile Spray)
Test subject: Longbow Rifleman [Longbow Minion]; Level 50 (+3)
Fury: None or extremely minimal
Enhancements: 1 accuracy 3 Power 2 recharge
Initial damage: 24.69 (log) / 25 (on screen) Toxic Damage
DoT (per hit): 3.52 (log) / 4 (on screen) [5 DoT ticks total] Toxic Damage
Total damage (log): 24.69 + (3.52*5) = 42.29 Toxic Damage
Total damage (screen): 25 + (4*5) = 45 Toxic Damage
Air Superiority [2 accuracy 1 recharge] - 22.96 Smashing
Brawl [1 accuracy] - 8.11 Smashing
CHUM SPRAY(Bile Spray)
Test subject: Longbow Flamethrower [Longbow Minion]; Level 49 (+2)
Fury: None or extremely minimal
Enhancements: 1 accuracy 3 Power 2 recharge
Initial damage: 30.39 (log) / 30 (on screen) Toxic Damage
DoT (per hit): 4.33 (log) / 4 (on screen) [5 DoT ticks total] Toxic Damage
Total damage (log): 30.39 + (4.33*5) = 52.04 Toxic Damage
Total damage (screen): 30 + (4*5) = 50 Toxic Damage
Air Superiority [2 accuracy 1 recharge] - 31.17 Smashing
Brawl [1 accuracy] - 9.5 Smashing
Its widely known that Longbow resist smashing/lethal.
BUG: The Bile Spray DoT reports its damage as being done to you(the player character)
instead of the enemy.The initial damage is reported correctly.
Level 48.
Pet slotting will be 1acc 3 dam
Pet HP is now 1065...
What is up wit THAT!? 5 hp from a lvl up?
ALSO:
Has anyone noticed that the lk distance is noticably shorter now? You can barely get cross the big room in warehouse map before you travel too far.
Well from your earlier numbers, it is looking like Chum Spray's Damage Scale is 0.77 + (5 * 0.11), or 1.32 in total - the Brute version at least.
How did I get those numbers? Well it all goes back to iakona's thread, but basically:
Your unslotted, unfuried chum spray did 29.78 + 4.25 * 5 damage to a -4 target (which I will assume has no toxic resistance) at level 44. Dividing those by the -4 level modifier (1.44) and the Brute level 44 range modifier (-26.87), gives near enough 0.77 and 5 ticks of 0.11 (damage scale values are usually pretty exact numbers).
We can take those values and try to predict what the power does at level 47, to the +3 minion you tested against. This time you say the power was slotted with 3 damage - you didn't say what level the enhancements were, so for these purposes I will assume they are 3 level 45 damage SO's, which enhance the base damage by 1.785.
So we have our damage scale of 0.77 + 0.55, enhanced to 1.37 + 0.98. We apply the level 47 brute range modifier (-27.52) and the +3 level modifier (0.65), and we get a predicted damage of 24.59 + 5 ticks of 3.51. Those are pretty close to what you got and some minimal fury, or slightly different damage enhancements could explain the difference.
Ideally we could do with some tests against some *much* lower enemies, since the reference damage numbers will be that much higher and give us greater accuracy - confirmation on what level those enhancements are in your Chum Spray could help too.
Next thing to test will be whether the Chum Spray for the other AT's follows the same Damage Scale or not - if it does then we will expect those other AT's with Chum Spray (MM's and Dom's) to do relatively more damage than Brutes due to the higher ranged damage modifiers for those AT's. This would be at odds with the in-game plaque descriptions which give the same reference damage across the AT's, but if all the AT's do give the same end damage output, then Chum Spray for the other AT's must have a lower Damage Scale to allow for their higher damage modifiers. Apologies if I've lost you all
I hope to do a bit of levelling on my MM tonight and I will be grabbing Chum Spray for him at 41 (MM's get access to it a bit earlier) so I will post results when I have them, unless any MM's or Dom's already have it in which case please post some results in the format used already.
too bad our patron offensive powers aren't very damaging
and i read that one patron power says "HIgh dmg/fast recharge" but its dmg is like twice brawl (less than haymaker) and the recharge is like 20-30 secs
the in-game descriptions dont even match each other