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<.< purfect sense. If they didn't want to die, they wouldn't have attacked me. I don't normally start these, to much trouble, but, if someone really wants to wake me up that much.. then they deserve to come away with something to remember it by
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thats a bit different, if I attacked you first, then it would be the same, but tp foe is usually an opening move. Your not defending yourself then, your doing it cause you like to be nasty. sides, that wouldn't really do anything to me, other than get me to fling them on you.
o.o if you feel the need to attack me, then I feel justified in defending myself anyway needed. If I just happen to be standing infront of a polic drone and you attack me cause you couldn't see it, well, you attacked first.
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I'm all for doing what you gotta do to survive. But thats just malicious and shows you have absolutely no respect for the people who play the game with you.
While I wouldn't tp you into npcs, I'd just kill you, but i wouldn't think twice about standing by watching others do it if you're going to behave like that.
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o.o I fail to see how my defending myself if he attacks me is malicious. He is the instigator. Tping ppl into mobs as an opening move is malicious. it also doesn't help anyone out.
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.... this honestly begs the question. WHAT IN THE [censored] ARE YOU DOING IN A PVP ZONE ALTOGETHER?
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<.< pre-emtive retaliation ultimatly leads to massmurder, it means that you assume that everyone is out to get you. Only ppl who need professional help actually think that way, it's considered a sign of nerosis.
o.o I've already stated that the char is not one who can kill something itself, thats why it would kill you with npcs if you go after it.
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Well, you're not really "killing" him then, the NPCs are, but you're giving him/her debt. Another way of "defending" yourself is to run away too, by the way. Or call your buddies to help you out. Or retreat to your base. You have a lot of other 'choices' in defending yourself than causing someone to gain debt.
But then again, you have every right to do that...it's just how YOU decide to play the game.
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excuse for me being a little annoyed with your type of player. I'm currently working off the debt I've gained due to other players in SC today and I keep getting triple kidnap CoT missions so I'm rather annoyed in general.
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i just got home from work so im not sure if this was covered or not. but you just shot yourself in the foot there machete. Thats exactly what is happening. except its the peoples whose idea of fight club is being imposed on the zone. and anyone who doesn't agree with those ideals is being labelled an [censored], a griefer and a ganker
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I did make note of this too. Saying that one of the new pvper's came to the zone not knowing what FC was. When he did what he was supposed to do( by game design) and helped a hero out whom he thought was being attacked by a villian, he got called a bunch of names over broadcast. I apologized over the broadcast and said that he was new to SC to which one of my very best freinds in the game called me a liar. That is the ugliness of FC right there. On the other hand, fight club can be fun when one side is too lopsided. It's no fun when there are 50 heroes and 8 villians. FC balances that out. I digress, CK you have won. I will only do FC in the arena and Warburg any villian I see in SC is fair game.
The point is not that i want to "win" or anything, I just feel that if i dont want to participate in an even some people made up, i shouldnt have to. Especially when every villian is up there just talking. I shouldnt have to be called names and petitioned(Oh Great Dianah Might).
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Just to make things clear here -
If someone attacks you in a PvP zone and you are having an RP event (like FC) that is NOT harassment.
If you are in a PvP zone you can attack another player repeatedly.
However - you cannot trash talk someone using vulgar words, racial slurs, sexual slurs or other UA violating actions. That IS harassment and can be actioned against by the GMs.
You could also be actioned for exploiting in a PvP zone - for example - by hanging out as a villain in a hero hospital to gank heroes as they respawn. This is not as designed and may be actioned.
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Whew. I can still play the hospital game with my stalker in Warburg. 
haha.
Sure Mac.
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You mean, like teleporting people into phone booths. 
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i just got home from work so im not sure if this was covered or not. but you just shot yourself in the foot there machete. Thats exactly what is happening. except its the peoples whose idea of fight club is being imposed on the zone. and anyone who doesn't agree with those ideals is being labelled an [censored], a griefer and a ganker
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I was talking about a SINGLE person's ideals, which is what your buddy is trying to force upon the much larger group of folks who have embraced and liked to particpate in FC.
This group doesn't force anyone to participate in FC...they don't go around the streets of SC trying to push/force everyone to come up to the FC building. Unlike your Heroe buddy who forces people to come to the street so he can have HIS fun. Come on TA, don't be so obtuse.
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There are badges. Those badges take less than 5 minutes to get. I was able to do it with my main character without meeting a villain.
As for my "need to kill people", that's awesome. You know nothing about me, my opinion of PvP, how I PvP, or WHETHER I PvP (since all I did was explain a different person's point of view), but I have a "need to kill people" and am "compensating". Man, I wish I could be so judgemental.
Like another poster mentioned, you could just place your Hold and leave them be. If using Force Bubble, you could just continue on your way. Hurricane can do the same. All of these are options, but instead, you openly state that you look to push them into a mob "to give them something to remember you by". That's just being a jackass to prove the little internet theory. (Quason or Target can provide you the link if so desired)
Pushing people into mobs is not a good way to stay alive either. You push most folks into a mob and their response is to Broadcast that this is your tactic and go for your head. Instead, if you wander around with Hurricane on and don't go out of your way or pay attention to those other people, they normally chalk it up as a waste of their time. Aggressively defending yourself doesn't convince PvP'ers that you're a [censored] that they shouldn't mess with. It convinces them that you're a [censored] that needs a taste of their own medicine, thus, Magestorm's response to your bragging.
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i just got home from work so im not sure if this was covered or not. but you just shot yourself in the foot there machete. Thats exactly what is happening. except its the peoples whose idea of fight club is being imposed on the zone. and anyone who doesn't agree with those ideals is being labelled an [censored], a griefer and a ganker
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I was talking about a SINGLE person's ideals, which is what your buddy is trying to force upon the much larger group of folks who have embraced and liked to particpate in FC.
This group doesn't force anyone to participate in FC...they don't go around the streets of SC trying to push/force everyone to come up to the FC building. Unlike your Heroe buddy who forces people to come to the street so he can have HIS fun. Come on TA, don't be so obtuse.
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but they do. if everyone is at fight club. that single person if they want to pvp is forced into FC. its already been proven that if he goes upto the roof and tries to kill his bounty he will be attacked by all spectators on the roof.
how does that not force their ideal on him? and before someone brings up the arguement of he can go to another zone, thats not valid. SC is the only place where you can get bounty. and they may not be of a high enough level to go to warburg
I"m tired of this thread. I'm going to work with fly and dinah and whom ever else will help me and start a perpetual FC in the arena. For all lvls. Geez.
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No, because once I get my bounty , that person tells all the villians to kill me and they proceed to do so. What am i supposed to do? keep letting them kill me, i dont think so.
And that thing about Lady Myrtle, she goes straight for me everytime, so I do the same thing to her.
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haha, i remember that the other day, I was Figi and we all just come and attacked you.
p.s thanks for the debt and pushing me into PvE's, i love debt
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Thanks for your post Mach The way you expressed yourself certainly made me "hear" things with a much more open frame of mind..
I do see your points and as I said If I knew more about the situation I would most likely AGREE with you 100% about the persons character and actions...
I do believe the OP had good intentions in trying to resolve the problem...
However..I dont agree with you at all that any number of players get to decide or agree on what is right in a zone...I think we can try to the best of our ability to be fair to all , but in the end we have to adhere to how the game is set up..Is it frustrating as all heck?? Yaaaa!...not just in PvP.
I have seen you distinguish between sportsmanship and fair play in pvp zones...so I am inclined to believe you when you say this person is really crossing some lines whether it be technically against the rules or not...
My biggest problem with this is that the "forums" is hardly a fair place to argue or fight this out....Its Unfortunate but true..
Let the community decide??...What community ?....The "Forum" Community? How is that right or fair? We are a very tiny part of the Server Community.. the only REAL Community we represent is the Forum Community..Not the Champion Community as a whole...and clearly even as The Forum Community we dont all agree.
I took the word "celebrites" out of my post because it was interjecting my own distaste for the word and attitude where it didnt belong...I can't overlook the fact that when situation like this have come up before...The people were labeled "funny" or a "rebel" and defended by some of the same people now crying foul..
Regardless if I agree with FC's polices or zone guidelines...FC has a few choices of how to handle the situation...Im sorry I don't agree with this tactic.
Just because what FC is wanting to see in the zone is what some and mostly likely myself would consider admirable, fair, good sportsmanship, or civilized doesn't give them the right to enforce it...Or assume that its what everyone wants.
It also sounds like some of you are saying..we want to play the way we want to play..and we wont consider any suggestions or alternatives... "It takes to much time"...As the rebuttal to a possible resolution is not really giving me the impression that this is something that can be solved any other way than "What FC wants"..
Attack the problem....Not the player....Only one of those can lead to true resolution...
I refuse to believe that FC isnt smart enough to figure out a way to beat this foe if you don't want resolution then band together ..organize and take him down in game abiding by the "guidelines" that you preach...Isnt that what this is all about? If you really believe you are in the right then fight for what you believe in...In game on the field...
How great would that feel?
I have ZERO investment in this specific situation betweeen the two parties...I do care how its being resolved and the direction the Forum Community has been taking lately..
I guess when it comes to PvP..I always ask myself...If I were truely the toon Im playing...and I was actually in that situation what would I do? If its not a game exploit... anything can be beaten with intelligence, ingenuity, and effort.
And then I ask myself.... WWHVNDD?
What Would HVND Do?
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i just got home from work so im not sure if this was covered or not. but you just shot yourself in the foot there machete. Thats exactly what is happening. except its the peoples whose idea of fight club is being imposed on the zone. and anyone who doesn't agree with those ideals is being labelled an [censored], a griefer and a ganker
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I was talking about a SINGLE person's ideals, which is what your buddy is trying to force upon the much larger group of folks who have embraced and liked to particpate in FC.
This group doesn't force anyone to participate in FC...they don't go around the streets of SC trying to push/force everyone to come up to the FC building. Unlike your Heroe buddy who forces people to come to the street so he can have HIS fun. Come on TA, don't be so obtuse.
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but they do. if everyone is at fight club. that single person if they want to pvp is forced into FC. its already been proven that if he goes upto the roof and tries to kill his bounty he will be attacked by all spectators on the roof.
how does that not force their ideal on him? and before someone brings up the arguement of he can go to another zone, thats not valid. SC is the only place where you can get bounty. and they may not be of a high enough level to go to warburg
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He's a Lv 50 for crying out loud!!! He definitely can go to WB. And you keep missing the point...he has build a reputation, a negative one so again, what do you expect? Forgive and forget? If that's the case, just say it and be done with it.
This is not something that he has done once or twice, and you know this too. E-V-E-R-Y S-I-N-G-L-E T-I-M-E he has a chance he does it...he doesn't take a day off. Most villians who 'regularly' frequent this spot know of him and his 'reputation'...even some 'heroes' are starting to dislike the kid. Come on TA, lets get some sense here.
Alot of folk are missing the point. This isn't a "Is fight club a good or bad idea" or "is it ok to attack someone watching fight club", this is a discussion on how a certain player is going out of his way to disturb the enjoyment of others.
If they move FC he goes there and stands in the middle of the ring.
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That's a very dangerous and unfair precedent to set. While I have no love for people who do this, prior to this statement, pretty much all killin' in the PvP zones was seen to be fair game.
Given that Warburg has the ability to hold fighting in abeyance altogether, wouldn't it be a better option to just make the hospitals fire-free zones?
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IDK if this was brought up because i dont feel like reading the whole entire thread, but i acctually thought about it when i just made my post, here it is:
Cuppa, is someone in a PvP zone aloud to Teleport you, hold you, immobilize you, or in any way do something to you that you cant control INTO a PvE mob? Does that count and is acceptable? Because that has happened to me 1000+ times and i HATE getting debt.
Now your probably going to say that this is a PvP zone and it has risks and i understand that. But then why are PvE's in a PvP zone? I can understand for Sirens Call that you need them in there and the meteor guys in BB and the guys in the "web" for WB.
But can a player do that to ya?
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The person who sets up the arena matches has the ability to kick anyone out who they don't want in it? I don't think could kick CK out of one of my matches but others would be free to do so. I am deeply saddened by this entire thread. We have no real halfway point and people on both sides are as inflamed as ever and I'm still stuck with buddies on both sides mad at each other. This is not the spirit of COH!!! We must fix this. I may not be the most eloquent poster on here but damn it I"m still a hero at heart and this has got to cease!!!!!!! Someone come up with a solution please.
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Thats exactly what it is, if i dont want to do fight club, or if I want to get a villian thats in Fc, i have every right to do so.
<.< first of all, as a big bad PKer, should you really be that worried about a little debt? second, I'm not a forum celeb, I just happen to post in a number of places they do when they're being silly (a comparasin of our post count, for instance, puts you at a higher title than I)
o.o also, you started with the direct name calling by saying I had low self esteem and a few other bits.
>.> Am I a bit cavaleer about my meathod of dealing with ppl who won't leave me alone? Yes, I'll agree to that. Do I feel they deserve it? sure, I didn't do anything to them, I even go out of my way to avoid them. If they insist on harrasing me, then I'll do to them, what they're trying to do to me.
o.o that said, it takes more than a couple min, several of the badges take hours. (blue inkmen, and time badge.. Mu Guardian). I've put up with alot of ppl in the PvP zones who couldn't take a hint. Suggestions here compairing it to PRE_EMPTIVLY tping ppl into a mob.. no, it's very different, if you can't see that, I'm sorry for you, there isn't anything we can disguss about it then, we obviously live in very different worlds and games.
>.> I'm sorry if I was being snarky, but in my defence, your being very touchy about it and I responded in kind. My initial post was just to support someone whos methoid I agreed with.
In the end, it's just a bit of debt, exemp down, you'll get ride of it and be that much closer to a badge. It's not like your getting xp from all the killing anyway.
o.o that said, I don't expect to change you, and nothing will come of this, so I'm going to go and be silly, adult conversations shouldn't come down to name calling, so we should write this off as two ppl being silly
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Not to mention no comment on shoving players into npcs to intentionally cause debt. Respect.
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<.< I shove ppl into NPCs on my controllers, it's the only way to kill them so they don't kill you. It often isn't get give you debt, it's to keep alive.
>.> also, Cuppa's post hasn't shown up in Dev's digest yet.. so you have a little while before the Deluge
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So their death with Debt is < your death without any real harm except maybe a long trip back to the fight?
Make sense to me. Anyone else?
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Which is why pvp zones, the open zones, should be debt and xp free. Then it'd truly be no holds bard.
BUT, I'm not going to lose a fight just to spare the person who attacked me debt. Fight me at your own risk, just like anywhere else.
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Thank you Nether for summing that up.
To all who are seeing this thread for the first or millionth time, this is the question at hand:
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Cuppa, is someone in a PvP zone aloud to Teleport you, hold you, immobilize you, or in any way do something to you that you cant control INTO a PvE mob. Does that count and is acceptable?
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I personally don't think it is fair for another play to go out of their way to try to give another play debt. I know it is griefing in PvE, so why isn't it in PvP?
I would love to get a Red Name to comment on this.
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Just to make things clear here -
If someone attacks you in a PvP zone and you are having an RP event (like FC) that is NOT harassment.
If you are in a PvP zone you can attack another player repeatedly.
However - you cannot trash talk someone using vulgar words, racial slurs, sexual slurs or other UA violating actions. That IS harassment and can be actioned against by the GMs.
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thankyou for responding Cuppa.