Paragon City: Galaxy City Zone Update
By
Alodarn,
Posted on: 2006-01-26 14:28 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Nice article, Arctic.
As for the story confusion, was it possible that another by the name of Galaxy Girl was involved with the meteor?
Edited for spelling
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It's Cassiopia that stopped the Meteorite. You'd think that the person who saved the world would get the huge statue and name everywhere.
Or at least in Bloody Bay.
Thanks, Arctic_Sun.
Still here, even after all this time!
Cassiopia statute is Peregrine Island....I believe 
On Various Servers:
Maiden Victory 50 MASD Scrapper
Brazen Prime 41 Fireenergy tank
Lady Stratega 50 FireSS tank
& Tons of other Alts
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Hey Venture, read some DC comics. If you can make any sense of them, nevermind, you can't. That's why they keep coming up with more Crisis storylines. Seems people make mistakes. Maybe revisions is a better word for comics, but whatever. Happens.
I read comics until, um, just before Zero Hour. I've only peeked at them since.
Professional work should be...wait for it...professional. Inconsistencies like this aren't supposed to happen, and when they do it is fair to criticise them.
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The point is, you don't have to be rude. I have never seen a Developer being rude to us. There are more tactful ways of expressing your opinion.
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My patheticaly humble opinion? Arctic read what didn't fit in the story and has stated he's adressing it. Sorry, but I'm commending him. That's more than some people have done in the past. Yes, commending. Admitting mistakes isn't the easiest thing to do. Ask the government.
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Exactly. Someone makes a mistake, they own up to it, they work on making it right, people should just leave them alone. We're not talking heart surgery here. Continuing to hound someone after an honest mistake has been made and spoken up about is rude.
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The way AS handled the situation is yet _another_ example of how much _better_ CoH is compared to other MMOs and why I'll be playing it until my unborn children are at least 22....
Why 22?
Because I'll be in my fifties and traveling around the world with my wife too much to play.
Seriously.
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The Tank badge *does* say World War I, which I thought went counter to the Web of Archnos book, which seems to rule out any 20th century super heroes prior to Statesman.
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That's not *totally* true. After all, Nemesis was around before WW I. He was a villain, but he could be considered "super".
(Tiny little spoiler)
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Also, the Sisters mentioned that varying amounts of the "energy" from the "box" have leaked out at previous times, giving rise to the gods and heroes of legend. Some of the legendary (literary/fictional?) heroes and villains of the early 20th century *might* have been in the CoX universe - we just haven't been told about them.
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There are a few things not consistent with plaques and badges quoted below. Simple enough to fix one way or another. I like the story we have NOW, as opposed to what a plaque describes.[ QUOTE ]
Kelly Graham never thought she was destined for greatness. That changed one night when she was walking home from her job in the Crey secretarial pool. She came upon an innocent woman being dragged into an alley by some masked men. Kelly called out for help, to no avail. As her fear and anger grew, she launched herself toward the alley. After a blur of flying, energy blasting, and healing light... Galaxy Girl was born.
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Dauntless was Galaxy Girl's sidekick until he died in battle, defending his mentor with his last breath.
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This plaque commemorates the death of Galaxy Girl, who fell in battle with the Rikti. When it became obvious that the heroes would have to fall back, Galaxy Girl insisted that she be the last to retreat. Remaining on the front lines, she used her healing light to save the lives of many of her retreating comrades. Witnesses say that she used her last bit of strength to heal her friend Ms. Liberty, rather than to save herself.
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I don't think the first one is in conflict, it's just much more vague than Arctic's story.
I'm not so sure where the conflict is with the dauntless quote, the story doesn't mention him at all, unless you're talking about something I don't know about.
The third one is a definite conflict. I think the only way to explain it is that she's legendary and that certain untrue myths are circulating about her, and one of them is so well known that it got onto an official city history plaque.
In a related topic, I now think that Galaxy Girl is kinetics/force field. Force fields are her offensive set just like the ones bizarro Numina uses. The story mentions that she was "blasting evil-doers with bolts of force". This could be interpreted as energy blasts since few would say that those AREN'T forceful, but I think that it suggest a raw force, which would tie in more easily with her kinetic powers.
The first one is a minor conflict only because Crey (founded 14 years ago, as far as villain groups go) is too new a company for Kelly Graham to work at in 1951.
Course Count Crey was the world's wealthiest bachelor, so his probably had some company or another named after him prior to Crey Biotech's founding. *A* Crey company folded in or another would win a no prize.
Hey, great work Arctic Sun. I love the story, and have always wondered what the heck was up with this 'Galaxy Girl' beyond 'She ran into an alley and Bam! She was born!'
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The point about M1 and the Web of Arachnos is an interesting one. I hope that the background of the game isn't being changed so that no heroes existed before Statesman's "discovery". IMO, that'd be lame.
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Except that it's the novel that is making the lame changes to background, since M1 as a WORLD WAR ONE hero is older than the novel. Therefore, since making changes to background is lame, it is the novel that is lame. If changing the background is lame, then Web of Arachnos is lame as a limping man who stubs his toe on Lame Lane while wearing a fencing lame and painting lamellar coating onto silver lame stencils.
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I just read the plaque in Eden last week about Galaxy Girl staying behind to hold off the Rikti and saving her best friend Ms. Liberty.
This is a good story, too, though.
And I could have sworn M-1 is referenced in-game as being a WWI hero, not WWII, but I could be mistaken. anyone else remember?
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History geek chiming in here...
Hopefully M-1's name comes from WWII because the earliest reference I can find for M-1 that a hero would be named after is the M-1 Garand rifle which entered service in 1936, after WWI. If it's in reference to the tank, then we jump to the 1980s.
Now I have to make a trip to Galaxy tonight and look at the plaque.
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Or the rifle was named for the hero 
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http://www.seds.org/messier/m/m001.html
Discovered in the 1700s.
So, is the whole "Statesman was the VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FIRST EVER hero" schtick just a Mary Sue event?
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So, is the whole "Statesman was the VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FIRST EVER hero" schtick just a Mary Sue event?
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No, he was the hero that basically kicked off the *modern* era of heroes in current times. Ie. he's the guy that inspired Paragon Earth's heroes to be heroes instead of just being in the background.
Still here, even after all this time!
Could it be possible that each of the servers, representing parralel but seperate 'realities' has a slightly different history. Different enough to have confused our writers?
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Could it be possible that each of the servers, representing parralel but seperate 'realities' has a slightly different history. Different enough to have confused our writers?
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Crisis of Multiple Servers!
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Except that it's the novel that is making the lame changes to background, since M1 as a WORLD WAR ONE hero is older than the novel. Therefore, since making changes to background is lame, it is the novel that is lame.
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That's what I was suggesting...sorry if I wasn't clear.
I thought the novel was okay, but not great. Left me with a lot of questions, even about things I thought were "established" in the game.
I sincerely hope the games "story bible" wins out over any attempts to get continuity with newer sources, like the books or CCG
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Could it be possible that each of the servers, representing parralel but seperate 'realities' has a slightly different history. Different enough to have confused our writers?
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That could be why, on my global friends list, people on other servers are listed as being on Freedom Shard or Triumph Shard.
One more possible set of corrections. If the zone was known as Paragon Heights before the Rikti war, and only changed to Galaxy City after Galaxy Girl's death, then....
does it make sense that areas of the zone were known as Equinox and Constellation Row back in the 1950's?
Sure, there's nothing that says those areas could only be "astronomy" related after it became Galaxy City, but it does seem a tad bit too convienient that "Paragon Heights" had so many space related neighborhoods before the change.
Just my two cents.
No no no no no!!! Galaxy City is mine I tell you! It is where I start all my alts. I don't want all that activity there. Some people don't even know it exists.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
On the one hand, the story was well-written, gave a lot of info, and Arctic-Sun owned up to the inconsistencies and is fixing them promptly.
On the other hand, this story inconsistency is becoming a recurring problem. (Prime example: the "accidental" [overzealous writer] ret-conning of the death of Atlas.) It gives the appearance that the story people aren't beholden to anyone and are just publishing whatever they feel like writing.
It's indicative of a possible managerial problem at Cryptic. Someone should be in charge of the storyline there, and that someone should be reviewing background material before it goes live; regardless of whether it's on the web or in the game proper.
This is worth pointing out to Cryptic. It doesn't mean we hate the writers. It means that we enjoy it enough to want a consistent background.
Apathy would be a much harsher response than asking the writing staff to please double-check their facts before publication.
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I don't think the first one is in conflict, it's just much more vague than Arctic's story.
I'm not so sure where the conflict is with the dauntless quote, the story doesn't mention him at all, unless you're talking about something I don't know about.
The third one is a definite conflict. I think the only way to explain it is that she's legendary and that certain untrue myths are circulating about her, and one of them is so well known that it got onto an official city history plaque.
In a related topic, I now think that Galaxy Girl is kinetics/force field. Force fields are her offensive set just like the ones bizarro Numina uses. The story mentions that she was "blasting evil-doers with bolts of force". This could be interpreted as energy blasts since few would say that those AREN'T forceful, but I think that it suggest a raw force, which would tie in more easily with her kinetic powers.
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While my post's initial intent (when I wrote those sentences before the quote) was to offer corrections, it was ultimately just to display all the in-game text references I could find.
Original post edited to clarify.
Edit: Nevermind, forgot about time limit on edits. Anyway, I'll agree. There's not too much conflict going on.
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So, is the whole "Statesman was the VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FIRST EVER hero" schtick just a Mary Sue event?
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No, he was the hero that basically kicked off the *modern* era of heroes in current times. Ie. he's the guy that inspired Paragon Earth's heroes to be heroes instead of just being in the background.
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Right, and that sort of strikes me as a very Mary Sue sort of thing to have happened. You do know what a Mary Sue is, right?
Statesman's very existence is a Mary Sue event. We learn to live with it anyway. Well, except for Lord Recluse, who is the most anti-Sue anti-Sue who ever anti-Sued.
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You do know what a Mary Sue is, right?
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No... I know the slang meaning of Mary Jane, not Mary Sue.
Wiki on Mary Sues
Basically, a character who is an obvious stand-in for the author. I've always felt Tom Bombadil, for instance, was an obvious Mary Sue.
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Thanks Venture.
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I just read the plaque in Eden last week about Galaxy Girl staying behind to hold off the Rikti and saving her best friend Ms. Liberty.
This is a good story, too, though.
And I could have sworn M-1 is referenced in-game as being a WWI hero, not WWII, but I could be mistaken. anyone else remember?
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History geek chiming in here...
Hopefully M-1's name comes from WWII because the earliest reference I can find for M-1 that a hero would be named after is the M-1 Garand rifle which entered service in 1936, after WWI. If it's in reference to the tank, then we jump to the 1980s.
Now I have to make a trip to Galaxy tonight and look at the plaque.
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Or the rifle was named for the hero