Manticore founded Wyvern?
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Posted on: 2005-11-29 10:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case
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Also way easier
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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case
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Also way easier
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To bad they are lacking in female department.
/em rimshot
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While I have no doubt that Manti is footing some of Longbow's bill, I doubt he's gotten much if any money to Wyvern. They're considered the bad boy hero group. Manti, as I've said, is the moral center of the Phalanx. I doubt he'd found such an organization that uses border line illegal methods and in the past has acctualy had conflicts with Longbow.
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You got it all wrong, fella! My best friend's cousin's girlfriend's brother used to work for Wyvern. Had to quit on a morale standpoint when he found out that 20% of his pay was kicked back to Manticore to pay for the lawsuit the organization lost for using his pattended arrows. One of the conditions of the lawsuit is that all members of Wyvern must now ONLY use archery as a means of attacking to remind them that Manticore is a hero in the courts of law as well as the streets of Paragon.
No really, it's true...
I believe somewhere they talk about how Miss Lib. named it Longbow for something along the line of them being out on the front lines, or something...
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I believe somewhere they talk about how Miss Lib. named it Longbow for something along the line of them being out on the front lines, or something...
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Usually guys with Longbows stand in the back and provide suppressing fire.
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I believe somewhere they talk about how Miss Lib. named it Longbow for something along the line of them being out on the front lines, or something...
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Usually guys with Longbows stand in the back and provide suppressing fire.
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They were named that for their far reaching influence.
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While I have no doubt that Manti is footing some of Longbow's bill, I doubt he's gotten much if any money to Wyvern. They're considered the bad boy hero group. Manti, as I've said, is the moral center of the Phalanx. I doubt he'd found such an organization that uses border line illegal methods and in the past has acctualy had conflicts with Longbow.
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Have you done the Manticore Task Force ?
He is all about borderline illegal methods, hell he even brags about it in his pep talk at the start.
Manticore definetly set Wyvern up, and in the End of beta event he had a bind that said "I wish i had MY Wyvern along for backup"
If you did a certain mission for the Radio (RADIO! RADIO FREE OPPORTUNITY!), you know that Longbow finances Wyvern partially, under the table.
Funny how in your first mission from Lt. Dochesky (sp?) she says that Longbow is more by the book and Wyvern more prone to breaking the law just before she sends you off to frame Wyvern.
If that was remotely true (Longbow seems much more shady to me) wouldn't it be better to frame Longbow if they are percieved as the 'clean' ones? Who would really care about another Wyvern scandal, a Longbow one would be much more damaging.
Hermiod, I greatly respect your views and opinions, however... I feel that no one is perfect, and that you may have disregarded a simple matter of economics in the possibility that Manticore founded Wyvern Mercenary Corps.
Allow me to humbly place mine own self in Manticore's own cowl: (My opinion is that people really think this way, but don't usually acknowledge it.)
"I am rich. Really, really rich. I got that way by being born into a family of rich people. My family stayed rich for a really long time by being really good with money, and they raised me to be really, really good with money.
I am really good at making sharp pointy things fly through the air and hit where I want them to. These sharp pointy things are enhanced by really cool people in long coats that cost a WHOLE LOT of moola to get pro-active and support. Then there's the "Suits" who manage them, and the "Suits" who run the whole shebang, and the "Suits" who are stock-holders, and the "Suits" whose "constituancy" wants jobs, etc, etc, etc. Hmmm. How can I make my sharp pointy things cost less to produce?
Oh, now that would be smart... I'll just push a bunch of people into wanting sharp pointy things that go bang towards wanting the same sorts of sharp pointy things that go bang that I do! Problem solved!"
Ergo, Wyvern=cheap Manticore arrows. He's still not evil, supports a raging market in spiffy arrows, and saves money in the long run allowing him to donate even more money to worthy charitable causes. If only more RL CEOs thought like he did. *Sigh*
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Hermiod, I greatly respect your views and opinions, however... I feel that no one is perfect, and that you may have disregarded a simple matter of economics in the possibility that Manticore founded Wyvern Mercenary Corps.
Allow me to humbly place mine own self in Manticore's own cowl: (My opinion is that people really think this way, but don't usually acknowledge it.)
"I am rich. Really, really rich. I got that way by being born into a family of rich people. My family stayed rich for a really long time by being really good with money, and they raised me to be really, really good with money.
I am really good at making sharp pointy things fly through the air and hit where I want them to. These sharp pointy things are enhanced by really cool people in long coats that cost a WHOLE LOT of moola to get pro-active and support. Then there's the "Suits" who manage them, and the "Suits" who run the whole shebang, and the "Suits" who are stock-holders, and the "Suits" whose "constituancy" wants jobs, etc, etc, etc. Hmmm. How can I make my sharp pointy things cost less to produce?
Oh, now that would be smart... I'll just push a bunch of people into wanting sharp pointy things that go bang towards wanting the same sorts of sharp pointy things that go bang that I do! Problem solved!"
Ergo, Wyvern=cheap Manticore arrows. He's still not evil, supports a raging market in spiffy arrows, and saves money in the long run allowing him to donate even more money to worthy charitable causes. If only more RL CEOs thought like he did. *Sigh*
Luerim
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That's very clever and well thought out. I just have trouble imagining Manticore setting up a Mercenary group. I always assumed that having your parents killed by a hired assassain (Good old Protean) would have some profond effect on your ideas of guns (bows) for hire.
I suppose he could just be human and say, "They work for me. That makes them alright." But it still strikes me as odd.
Well they are obviously all his illegitimate children. 
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That's very clever and well thought out. I just have trouble imagining Manticore setting up a Mercenary group. I always assumed that having your parents killed by a hired assassain (Good old Protean) would have some profond effect on your ideas of guns (bows) for hire.
I suppose he could just be human and say, "They work for me. That makes them alright." But it still strikes me as odd.
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*cough* Well, were they killed with a gun or a bow? Makes a lot of difference. I could refer you at least 2 fictional cultural heroic icons that avoid the specific delivery system of the death of their parental figures, but still employ similar methods to gain a sort of "revenge" or "justice" against the "bad guys" depending on the point of view.
And there's one off the top of my head that employs exactly the same method of revenge as his enemies, but is still considered at the very least an anti-hero.
Sorry, just recalling too many years immersed in the paradigm.
Luerim
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Manticore definetly set Wyvern up, and in the End of beta event he had a bind that said "I wish i had MY Wyvern along for backup"
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The quote he posted is I should have brought a Wyvern Strike Team instead of these Longbow yahoos.
Of course, he may have said the other quote as well.
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That's very clever and well thought out. I just have trouble imagining Manticore setting up a Mercenary group. I always assumed that having your parents killed by a hired assassain (Good old Protean) would have some profond effect on your ideas of guns (bows) for hire.
I suppose he could just be human and say, "They work for me. That makes them alright." But it still strikes me as odd.
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*cough* Well, were they killed with a gun or a bow? Makes a lot of difference. I could refer you at least 2 fictional cultural heroic icons that avoid the specific delivery system of the death of their parental figures, but still employ similar methods to gain a sort of "revenge" or "justice" against the "bad guys" depending on the point of view.
And there's one off the top of my head that employs exactly the same method of revenge as his enemies, but is still considered at the very least an anti-hero.
Sorry, just recalling too many years immersed in the paradigm.
Luerim
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Very true, but I don't know. I mean, Praetorian Manticore, Chimera was raised by Protean and has an army of ninjas working for him. If Praetorians are suppose to be dark oppisites...
But that point is moot.
My point is, it just seems strange for Manticore to found the group. While most of the heroes you could site about the vengence, they don't go out an make a private army who are similiar to the person they want revenge on. But maybe it's just me who thinks like that.
*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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It would be nice if he would so I could look like less of a fool than I've already made myself discussing this point.
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*cough* Well, were they killed with a gun or a bow? Makes a lot of difference. I could refer you at least 2 fictional cultural heroic icons that avoid the specific delivery system of the death of their parental figures, but still employ similar methods to gain a sort of "revenge" or "justice" against the "bad guys" depending on the point of view.
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Kinda like how Bo and Luke Duke shunned firearms, so instead used Arrows with sticks of TnT tied to them.
I think that's what inspired Manticore to fight crime as an archer. You wait, when we get vehicles and he's jumping fissures in faultline with his!
Just the good ole boys never meanin' no harm an all.
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Well they are obviously all his illegitimate children.
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Maybe they're clones of Manticore.
Since Manticore is so skilled, they created a whole army of clones of this one hero.
No, wait, that's just too stupid a plot device to ever be used in any fictional work.
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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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It would be nice if he would so I could look like less of a fool than I've already made myself discussing this point.
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You don't look like a fool at all! Nooo sirrr ...
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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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It would be nice if he would so I could look like less of a fool than I've already made myself discussing this point.
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You don't look like a fool at all! Nooo sirrr ...
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Well, that's good to know, I was worried for a bit there.
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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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Manticore funded Wyvern to do the jobs Longbow couldn't for one reason or another. Wyvern as a whole are not as concerned with political niceties and are focused on results. It is likely that many of their agents share Manticore's attitude toward fighting crime.
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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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Manticore funded Wyvern to do the jobs Longbow couldn't for one reason or another. Wyvern as a whole are not as concerned with political niceties and are focused on results. It is likely that many of their agents share Manticore's attitude toward fighting crime.
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Thanks for clearing that up!
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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*
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Manticore funded Wyvern to do the jobs Longbow couldn't for one reason or another. Wyvern as a whole are not as concerned with political niceties and are focused on results. It is likely that many of their agents share Manticore's attitude toward fighting crime.
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Thank you Manti. So the debate ends. Manticore didn't found the group and most likely just inspired it. Very interesting.
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For a job like that, for a group of heroes, not taking money would be suspicious? We're talking about broadcasting the great danger all Cap au Diable citizens.
Yes, not taking money would be suspicious, because they're not heroes. They are a "private security force".
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Actualy, they're vigalantes or Mercenaries depending on who yu talk to. They are never (that I've seen) discribed as a private security force.
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Yu think Wyvern who is payed by Longbow to do missions is founding Longbow? Or do you think Manticore is. If Manti was, that's no surpise at all.
I think Manticore is funding both organizations.
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While I have no doubt that Manti is footing some of Longbow's bill, I doubt he's gotten much if any money to Wyvern. They're considered the bad boy hero group. Manti, as I've said, is the moral center of the Phalanx. I doubt he'd found such an organization that uses border line illegal methods and in the past has acctualy had conflicts with Longbow.