Manticore founded Wyvern?

Everytime I see Wyvern agents, I am reminded of Manticore. There's several factors that make me think he had something to do with the creation of this group.

1.) They're all archers like him, obviously.

2.) The wyvern is another mythilogical creature "with a sting" like manticores.

3.) They seem to be rivals to the more Statesman-like Longbow. Same goals, but slightly different methodology.

What do you all think?

Was my initial thought as well...if he didn't create them then they're certainly patterned after him...perhaps they're his goupies.

Founded? Maybe. Inspired, I wouldn't doubt it.

I remember durring the Beta event Manticore saying something like, "I brought Wyvern with me instead of Longbow." But the thing is, Wyvern are pretty much Mercenary. If they had someone like Manticore backing them, they'd have money to burn unless he's afraid of providing them with money directly.

Not only is it clear that Manticore is behind Wyvern, it's pretty obvious he's got a lot to do with Longbow, too. (Speculation regarding his involvement with Ms. Liberty is left as an exercise for the reader....)

Wyvvern's costumes appear to be inspired on minticore's too.
(lol, not gonna correct that type, I can allready imagine him and his winter fresh arrow)

Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case

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Not only is it clear that Manticore is behind Wyvern, it's pretty obvious he's got a lot to do with Longbow, too. (Speculation regarding his involvement with Ms. Liberty is left as an exercise for the reader....)

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Really? If you remember, Wyvern take money for the jobs they do around the Rogue Isle. People like Vines of WSPRD paided Wyvern to defend the generators. It was the right thing to do, it was a very big deal, and they wanted to be paid.

Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich. He can afford to have obscenely expensive trick arrows that are one use only. If he was Wyvern's backer, they wouldn't need to charge for their services. They'd do it like Longbow, for the right cause. Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case

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yeah.

too bad we don't see them past level 25.

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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case

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/agree

Although, I think the Legacy Chain is the best new hero group.

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too bad we don't see them past level 25.

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Aren't they in Nerva at levels past 25?

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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case

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Although, I think the Legacy Chain is the best new hero group.

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i'd tend to agree, but only because Wyvern is like a one-trick pony. ALL their soldiers are Archers, it seems. they need a little variety.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case

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Although, I think the Legacy Chain is the best new hero group.

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i'd tend to agree, but only because Wyvern is like a one-trick pony. ALL their soldiers are Archers, it seems. they need a little variety.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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I don't know how the City of IRS tracks donations. If they become suspicious of large sums, or if hero organizations are exempt. I'd imagine they may have something similar to a 501(c)3 standing, since they are non-profit. Since Longbow has a high-profile founder they may be an exempt organization but Wyvern, I don't remember anything about their founder. They may be consider more of a vigilante group instead of an officially recognized hero organization. Heck, maybe they're just an SG of Manti-groupies.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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I don't know how the City of IRS tracks donations. If they become suspicious of large sums, or if hero organizations are exempt. I'd imagine they may have something similar to a 501(c)3 standing, since they are non-profit. Since Longbow has a high-profile founder they may be an exempt organization but Wyvern, I don't remember anything about their founder. They may be consider more of a vigilante group instead of an officially recognized hero organization. Heck, maybe they're just an SG of Manti-groupies.

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When I think about it, it would seem a man like Justin (or whatever Manticore's real name is) giving a large sum of money to Longbow not particularly out of character or strange in anyway. He's probably one of Freedom Corps. biggest contributers. So when they decided to go to war with Recluse and he steps up his spending to back his own private army, Wyvern, it's not that strange at all. Especialy with Longbow making things like the Chaser. And we know Longbow doesn't given Wyvern money in public, but in secret. Seems like he could get the money there if he really wanted to.

That's why I think they're Manticore Groupies.

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Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich.

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So is Paris Hilton yet she still "works" for a living. He's a businessman. While it makes sense for him to support charitable hero organizations, it also makes sense for him to create another force for good that helps keep him rich, or at least can somewhat support itself.

Also, not every skilled archer is a heroic person. Likely Manti saw this and provided them an outlet to perform good deeds, even if it meant they needed a pay check to guaruntee it.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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I dont see why he couldn't pass the money on through but it seems like he is the backer of this organization. I mean despite the fact they are very Mercanary and by all apearances get paid oodles of cash for their services they still would have needed a initial footing of cash as well as some extra cash handy for the snazzy equipment they use. You dont just throw together afew thousand dollar, some mercs and a archery set or two and get what they are. They would have needed relitively large sums of money to purchase enough arrows/equipment/hideouts as well as train the troops.
The best reason I can come up with about Manticore not just paradeing around with a "I <3 teh Wyvren!" shirt is becaues they are supposed to be a slightly illeagal group of vigallantes and it certainly would not fly over well for the great heros and protectors of Paragon to be linked to thugs who preform un-sanctioned military acts in a forign country. I think it says somewere the reason longbow often hires them is becaues they are preforming acts longbow really isnt supposed to be caught doing.

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Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich.

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So is Paris Hilton yet she still "works" for a living. He's a businessman. While it makes sense for him to support charitable hero organizations, it also makes sense for him to create another force for good that helps keep him rich, or at least can somewhat support itself.

Also, not every skilled archer is a heroic person. Likely Manti saw this and provided them an outlet to perform good deeds, even if it meant they needed a pay check to guaruntee it.

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If Manticore was getting money from Wyvern that would not only look suspicious, but very bad. So obviously he's not going to do something like that. And Manticore is sorta like the moral center of the group. Sure he'll shoot Statesman with and arrow occasionaly to save mankind, but not without thinking about a way to save him afterwards. He doesn't pick up checks for Heroing and I doubt he'd back a group who would do that. Nor would he encorage it, theirs already one Hero Corps in the world, that's enough for now.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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I dont see why he couldn't pass the money on through but it seems like he is the backer of this organization. I mean despite the fact they are very Mercanary and by all apearances get paid oodles of cash for their services they still would have needed a initial footing of cash as well as some extra cash handy for the snazzy equipment they use. You dont just throw together afew thousand dollar, some mercs and a archery set or two and get what they are. They would have needed relitively large sums of money to purchase enough arrows/equipment/hideouts as well as train the troops.

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Hero Corp was founded by Heroes looking to get paid, right. Wyvern is full of normal humans using gadgetry to get the job done. I don't see the problem with them having humble begins as Manticore's drinking buddies or something who decided to become mercenaries and slowly grew until they could afford the stuff Manticore has.

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The best reason I can come up with about Manticore not just paradeing around with a "I <3 teh Wyvren!" shirt is becaues they are supposed to be a slightly illeagal group of vigallantes and it certainly would not fly over well for the great heros and protectors of Paragon to be linked to thugs who preform un-sanctioned military acts in a forign country. I think it says somewere the reason longbow often hires them is becaues they are preforming acts longbow really isnt supposed to be caught doing.

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You're correct, that's why Longbow hires them out.

Really? If you remember, Wyvern take money for the jobs they do around the Rogue Isle. People like Vines of WSPRD paided Wyvern to defend the generators. It was the right thing to do, it was a very big deal, and they wanted to be paid.

It would have been very suspicious if they did not want to be paid.

Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich. He can afford to have obscenely expensive trick arrows that are one use only. If he was Wyvern's backer, they wouldn't need to charge for their services. They'd do it like Longbow, for the right cause. Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

Manticore is rich, not stupid. He might be able to provide all the funding needed for Wyvern but then it would be even more obvious than it already is that they're little more than Longbow's black-bag arm. If they're supposed to be a "private security force" then they'd better have clients and they'd better charge for their services.

Who do you think is funding Longbow in the first place? Why is the military arm of the Freedom Corps (itself a subsidiary of the Freedom Phalanx) named Longbow?

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Really? If you remember, Wyvern take money for the jobs they do around the Rogue Isle. People like Vines of WSPRD paided Wyvern to defend the generators. It was the right thing to do, it was a very big deal, and they wanted to be paid.

It would have been very suspicious if they did not want to be paid.

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For a job like that, for a group of heroes, not taking money would be suspicious? We're talking about broadcasting the great danger all Cap au Diable citizens.

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Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich. He can afford to have obscenely expensive trick arrows that are one use only. If he was Wyvern's backer, they wouldn't need to charge for their services. They'd do it like Longbow, for the right cause. Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

Manticore is rich, not stupid. He might be able to provide all the funding needed for Wyvern but then it would be even more obvious than it already is that they're little more than Longbow's black-bag arm. If they're supposed to be a "private security force" then they'd better have clients and they'd better charge for their services.

Who do you think is funding Longbow in the first place? Why is the military arm of the Freedom Corps (itself a subsidiary of the Freedom Phalanx) named Longbow?

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Yu think Wyvern who is payed by Longbow to do missions is founding Longbow? Or do you think Manticore is. If Manti was, that's no surpise at all.

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Who do you think is funding Longbow in the first place? Why is the military arm of the Freedom Corps (itself a subsidiary of the Freedom Phalanx) named Longbow?

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Because Manticore was getting tired, irritated and self-conscious with Sister Psyche and Ms. Liberty constantly teasing him about his Short Arrow?

Wyvern are overpaid for the service they provide. Considering how easily I take them down I ought to raise my own fees.

For a job like that, for a group of heroes, not taking money would be suspicious? We're talking about broadcasting the great danger all Cap au Diable citizens.

Yes, not taking money would be suspicious, because they're not heroes. They are a "private security force".

Yu think Wyvern who is payed by Longbow to do missions is founding Longbow? Or do you think Manticore is. If Manti was, that's no surpise at all.

I think Manticore is funding both organizations.

For a job like that, for a group of heroes, not taking money would be suspicious? We're talking about broadcasting the great danger all Cap au Diable citizens.

Yes, not taking money would be suspicious, because they're not heroes. They are a "private security force".

Yu think Wyvern who is payed by Longbow to do missions is founding Longbow? Or do you think Manticore is. If Manti was, that's no surpise at all.

I think Manticore is funding both organizations.