So this is NOT abysmal like that Teen Titans rehash?
I do not have cable TV, and only saw a few JLA eps before they went off the conventional channels. A friend had me see "Teen Titans" and it so turned me off. Then I was shown a few eps of JLA and couldn't get into it (first season IIRC).
Damn, now y'all have me wanting to watch this! Wonder if anyone has a torrent.....
Luthor and Cadmus... Related to the Superboy clone using Lex's DNA to be a weapon against Kal as in the comics?
Yeah trust me it's not a kiddie show. It's more akin to the old Batman cartoons then anything but is far more mature.
It deals with the interpersonal relationship of the heroes, the fear of humans against Superheroes (clearly stolen from Kingdom Come), and incredibly interwoven plots.
It's one of the best cartoon series I've ever watched.
*cries* Looked over the episode guides, and I need season 3 eps to see Kara. Demonoid does not have those. *cries*
Kimmie, not paying for cable TV until I can pay just for the channels I will watch (Sci-Fi, Comedy, Cartoon, and whatever else has something worth watching in the future).
Deleted my lvl24 scrapper to start a invul/ss tank. This had better be good Havok or I'll find out where you live and throw wet noodles at your dog. 
Thanks for the info.
-Match
Prepare to have a blast! Just wowed some people again! Soloed one guy's cape mission (he was lost in Perez, so I just went in and cleared it), then finally met him in person at the arena (his insistance) and smote him thrice!
Then flew off to help a friend and his two teammates with Banished Pantheon. They kept commenting that my HP never dipped. Sure, I took some hits, but I healed them all rapidly and was hard to hit. Invincibility rocks!
They were joking afterwards that I left them one or two so they wouldn't get bored while I cleared the mission. I was glad to give them a hand and give tanks a great name! 
Didn't use Taunt at all (although I did after the mission to take some Clockwork off a lower level to save him).
I love my build! You will too Matchstick!
You sure? If you are then I'm adding you to the list of people I'm got to find and do the noodle throwing thing to if I don't like it.
-Match
Go for it darlin! @SvZurich global if you have any questions.
Just get to 18, and Invincibility will convice ya! Hell, Unyeilding alone is worth the price of admission. Can count the number of times I was stunned AND knocked down while it was active on 3 fingers!
lol ... it's a ball. I love my tank ... to the extreme
Kimmie,
Yeah. I'll add my name to the JLU fan list. That show is REALLY good. I've been ahead of the US broadcast for weeks and weeks...the conclusion to the Cadmus/Luthor arc is some amazing stuff. Supergirl doesn't get used NEARLY enough for me but when she does, it's good. My version of her (on Virtue) looks exactly like kara from S:TAS/JLU, and her 20 costume is Galatea/Powergirl's (her girlfriend however, refuses to allow her to wear it in public, because it's too skimpy) *grins* I can only thank havok for the build, she does things I've never seen another CoH character do, and now that she has her cape, she's so awesome. I just love her.
Super at 20, standing atop Paragon City Hall
That's my latest pic. I probably won't be using hasten in my build (especially now that I know this new disturbing info about Whirlwind) but it gives me back 3 power choices (likely Group Fly, and a couple others) even underperforming as she is now at 21 (respec is good) she's still really good. If you need JLU eps Kimmie, I uh...might be able to help you out..*shifty*
Havok, how many slots do Rage, and Dull Pain need if you don't have hasten around? I would imagine Dull Pain needs at least 5 if not 6, and Rage might need a couple extras, but maybe not. Also, do we know if a hero can just fly using group fly alone, or must someone other than you be present? Of course you'd have to take hover (and probably 6 slot it) and Air Superiority, then I believe you'd have access to it, couldn't you just use it in place of fly and have the extra added benifit of being able to carry others if they happened to be around? Does anyone know if it works?
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
Keeping Hasten more for speeding up recharge on other powers rather than attacks (Recovery Aura should so be an epic choice, but Conserve Power will do), but I am very tempted to drop superspeed from my consideration. Now that I know Whirlwind is useless, I would like to trim a bit more. Shame I can't free up the slots to 6 slot hover and 3 slot fly... Maybe I will consider Recall Friend. Played with Teleport in the arena, and no thanks. Fly or Hover for me.
I would love to see, somehow, JLU... The eps people have listed don't cover Kara, but I am tempted upon reading the episode synopsis... Epilogue looks real tempting!
Air Superiority is my best friend! No, it isn't very damaging. No, it doesn't pulse aggro. Yes it makes the baddies fly and fall! I love amazing people by flying up to a sniping spirit or sky raider skiff, and knocking it down for the melee whalloping to begin!
I love my Kara Lokison! She isn't anywhere close to resembling Kara Zor-El/In-Zee (deliberate), but she is garbed in purple and looks so happy! Will see about posting a pic of her "comfy" clothes and her level 20 costume eventually!
Superlative, your Kara looks great! Kudos darlin!
Kimmie, up for seeing some JLU. The synopsis does indeed greatly cover the last 11 years of the DCU! Nice!
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Havok, how many slots do Rage, and Dull Pain need if you don't have hasten around? I would imagine Dull Pain needs at least 5 if not 6, and Rage might need a couple extras, but maybe not. Also, do we know if a hero can just fly using group fly alone, or must someone other than you be present? Of course you'd have to take hover (and probably 6 slot it) and Air Superiority, then I believe you'd have access to it, couldn't you just use it in place of fly and have the extra added benifit of being able to carry others if they happened to be around? Does anyone know if it works?
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Waaaaaaay back in here I put a non-hasten version of Havoc's build. DP needs a full 6 recharge SOs, but Rage only needs 3. I just hit 35, and this non-SuperSpeed build is still rocking! I did take AS, but Fly over Hover since I use it more for travel than combat. The few times I do use it, in fact, are for Sky Raiders or anyone who likes to hover above us. I fly up, smack 'em with AS, then drop back down with them.
As to having Group Fly in place of Fly...well, Fly's endurance drain is bad enough. GF is widely frowned upon as a power, even after a recent fix where companion's flight speed now matches your based speed. The problem is that if you enhance your flight speed (as one is want to do, because flight is slooooow), your speed improves but your friends are stuck as base speed. So, I've heard GF described as drunk pigeons...people keep falling out of the sky randomly. Either your friends drop too far back, or you run out of end. Either way, unpleasant.
Hero14
SS/INV Tanker on Virtue
Superman Returns (INV/SS Guide for I8)
Well folks I need to warn you there are HUGE nerfs coming down the pipe ... check the testing thread. I don't know how this will affect the builds 
Looking over the defense reductions, well, with my limited time and odd playing hours, I will likely NEVER get to play a Kheldian.
I hope this adjustment doesn't bring back the frustration I had when Issue 2 was new and I barely soloed my blaster to 12 before giving up and switching to WoW.
Gee, depending on how bad it is, I might need to just work a hell of a lot of overtime to pay someone to PL one of my toons so I can run around as an alien. 
Just read the changes in the Inv Set and I say that this will be the end of CoH for me (if its too bad)... Im getting tired of this crap. I started playing during issue 3 and got my fire tank up to 30 by the time the "AI" nerf hit. NOW I have fallen in love with my Inv/SS tanker and they want to break them too? Im sorry devs but Im done... you can say good-bye to my 30 dollars a month! I dont want to play City of Mediocrity!
Just sent Kara Lokison to Croatoa, and saw a small group of Fir Bolgs. This was Kara at level 26, so no real change between her then and now. Group was 26 minions with a 28 LT, no big deal right?
Two Words: Paper Target. That's how I felt when I died in seconds. SECONDS.
I am used to standing in a mob and feeling like a tank. They ripped me to shreds.
I had TI, Invin, and Unyeilding on, and I fell in under 10 seconds at level 26.
I felt like a squishie. Not good.
Devs, please reconsider. PLEASE!
Tried sonic powers out, not my speed. First two sonic buff/debuffs are not usable on self. Bad. Tried archery sets, but while okay, any other power puts the bow away, making you wait for it to be redrawn.
Issue 5 looks like major suckage at this moment.
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I had TI, Invin, and Unyeilding on, and I fell in under 10 seconds at level 26.
I felt like a squishie. Not good.
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Well, I won't be home til late to test, so I was hoping for some reassuring news. This wasn't it. Try some council and report back Kimmie. Maybe Fir Bolgs have Psi? Ok shot in the dark, I know. But dang it she's supposed to be Kara, not Ballerina Barbie!
Grrr.
Yeah...had a look. Other than Blasters and Defenders, everone else took in the...ahem...chin. 
The only good thing that can come from this is that it does not leave test server and go live 
Well, here's the thing people... if we don't do something besides watch people start the Flame Wars... these changes WILL go live! I've contacted the Devs and asked if there was anything I could do to help... well, here it is:
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Just post your actual playing experiences - missions, mobs fought, defeats, numbers.
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This is Beta all over again! I'm going to be starting a series of small threads in the Test Server Area (unless someone beats me to the punch) for the posting of actual hard numbers.
This means, run up to a level 50 villian on Live and take the beating. Write dow nthe numbers of their damage, your damage, etc. Do the same thing (preferably against the same kind of villian) on the Test Server. Post it! Live it! Love it!
The only way we can get these "nerfs" changed is if we show the Devs solid numbers and experiences and not Rants and "Doom" sayings. Please, pass this along to everyone you know of. Thank you.
Will have to wait until Sunday to really test this and get numbers. Will copy Kara's current stats over, test her on BP, DE, Freakshow, Tsoo, Family, and Council (her current foes), then repeat with pad of paper ready on test to note the numbers. Since I can handle those foes easily on Live, they should be a good base for testing and reporting on Test.
Not sure what the blast from Fir Bolgs was, so I won't worry about that as much. Not like they exist on Live to test numbers on. Let's see, they added -Regen to remove the Regen scrappers' only defense, and now they are cutting into our taunt effects and defense. Heck, they also are limiting pets. Is this game dropping the super aspect from super hero?
Yes, Sunday and Monday I will run numbers and see the results. Hopefully I will have something to report that the Devs will note and correct.
Kimmie, hoping Devs remember that solo players pay to play this, and we hate being forced to party in order to do our standard missions. That is why I have left WoW.
While I don't solo all that often (I have been lately since my hours and my SGs hours have been a bit off) I respect people's desire to do so, and this sounds like it will eliminate that. What specifically has changed for Invul/SS? Anyone have a link to a post or some such? Just when I started to get my build right too...guess I'd better wait on that respec for a bit...I have a couple levels yet.
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
Try this thread for some notes on number changes to Inv. I think these were the latest numbers that Havok put together from people's posts.
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Here's where we sit:
TI 30% S/L RES (Verified by 3 testers)
RPD 7.5% S/L RES (Verified by 3 testers)
RElD 7.5% F/C RES (Verified by 1 tester)
REnD 7.5% E/N RES
UY 5% S/L/F/C/E/N RES (Verified by 3 testers)
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Best I can tell is that vs Smashing/Lethal we are still ok, and vs everything else we need to hide behind the DA Scrapper 
From the looks of things, they are effectively hamperingthe ability of Invulnerablility... which does not bode well for those Tankers. I was just on a full team of 8, going up against Infernals minions. I died once, mostly because I was trying to test out Defiance, but was defeated before I could.
Our Tanker was doing his job. He ran ahead of the group and Taunted... He went down faster than our Kheldian in Nova form! I would say nor more than 4 minions and a Lieutenant, all even level, defeated him.
I'm posting this on my Thread. We need to do our own data-mining and present a reasonable case to the Devs. Then we might be able to get some of these changed nixed.
As an FYI I'll no longer be fielding questions. As soon as I finish collecting some badges (TF badges) I will be retiring from CoH.
I want to thank all those who helped put this thread together and thank all those who helped answer questions when I wasn't around.
It has been a real pleasure being a part of this community.
Hate to see you go, Havok.
Can't help but wonder if I5 has anyting to do with it. Or are you just finished with the game? (Sorry for asking another question!)
Thanks for all your help! You have been an asset to these boards and the game!
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Blue Monolith - Inv/Eng Tanker, Virtue
Arctic Ant - Ice/Eng Blaster, Virtue
...proud members of the Legion of Freedom!
www.lof-online.com
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Just a quick comment, JLU is very much NOT a Teen Superkid show.
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Just wanted to back that up, the last couple of months in particular. This Luthor/Cadmus storyline is more sophisticated than anything they've done before. And their version of The Question is great!