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Quote:Actually, the cooldown timer is another 7 years, so... yeah.Quote:
However, it has a very long cooldown time.
I've been here from the start, so I get all the vet rewards as soon as they come out. Even so, I generally disapprove of vet rewards out of pity for the poor noobs. But these rewards are SO awesome that I am too overwhelmed with selfish glee to spare a thought for anyone else. CAN'T WAIT. WANT NOW. -
As one of the people selling level 50 common IO recipes for 1 inf... please buy my underpriced recipes! I don't care if you use them for crafting or vendoring or just to exercise your delete button. Once you own them you can do whatever you want with them. I won't even know, so why would I care? I just want someone to buy them! I have several recipes listed at 1 inf right now, and they're just sitting in my market slots taking up space.
Why am I selling them at a loss?
* I want the sales badges so I can get more market slots so I can sell my drops and shop for the things I want at the same time without running out of room.
* I've made money using this method and I'm happy to give back a little now that I've outgrown it.
* I do like badges. Speaking of which, you should buy my level 50 SO's too. Only 1 inf, worth thousands. And a level 1 character can carry more enhancements than recipes.
* I can't be bothered. If you do follow this method, you will soon discover that selling things at a vendor gets boring after a while. For really cheap things like common salvage, I'll just delete them rather than waste my time running to a vendor. In the complicated equations of time/money/fun, I've found an equilibrium I'm happy with. I hope you all do as well. -
I wonder if ParagonWiki would help?
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancements
This article covers the basics, including the difference between combining enhancements and stacking them. -
1 hp/second? Wow, it does a lot less than I thought it did.
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Nope, it definitely had nothing to do with the individual who placed it, only with the position in the queue. It was something like the fourth person to list an item was always the seventh person to sell the item, no matter who that fourth person was.
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Another thing I hadn't noticed before. I'm bidding on some salvage, and when I click on it I can see a list of all the recipes that piece of salvage is used in. Not actually useful to me, but whatever. The problem is that each recipe shows up multiple times. Once per level at which the recipe exists, I think, although the level isn't displayed. If they're using SQL, then they need to drop the word "DISTINCT" in there. Otherwise, I don't know what it would take to fix it. But having "Performance Shifter: Rech/Acc (Recipe)" appear about 15 times in a row is just a waste.
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Thanks, but we can't invite people mid-TF. I don't mean I've been trying the TF over and over for 3 weeks. I mean I and my teammates have been engaged in one attempt for 3 weeks. We only play about 2 hours a week, and we spend half that time trying to remember which character to log in.
I have to say, my absolute favorite thing about the Incarnate system is that I can use shards to craft things without having to run any specific TF.
Edit: And my least favorite thing about the new forums is that the tongue sticking out smiley looks weird. Too happy. -
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
11 seconds. Darn. BOOM.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
Ten seconds exactly.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
The quick brown fox jumps ove rthe lazy dog.
Eight seconds... but a typo! Doh! BOOM!
Yeah, that's not happening.
Right now defeating Reichsman is enough of a challenge. I've been in that TF for 3 weeks now. Maybe tonight will be the night we beat him! Go go gadget envenomed daggers! (Yes, we suck, no need to rub it in.) -
There are a few things about the market that really bug me. Little things. Tiny things. I'm not talking about high prices, or low supply, or anything else that's pretty much set by the players. I mean things like...
* Recipes are sorted in descending order by level. Crafted enhancements are the opposite. When you switch back and forth between them, the interface remembers that you were scrolled all the way up or down, but since the sort order is reversed you always have to move the scrollbar all the way in the other direction.
* When you first open the tab for invention salvage and a list of the appear in the window at the right, is there any sorting at all? Nevermelting ice, steel, clockwork winder...?
* When you look in a set, the order of the items is different between recipes and enhancements. For defense/LotG for example, the first enhancement listed is the Defense one, but the first recipe listed is the 7.5 recharge speed.
* That problem may be related to the fact that the enhancement and the recipe have different names. One is called "Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed" and the other is called "+7.5% Recharge Speed". There are places (I can't find right this second) where the recipe is something like Acc/Dam/Recharge and the enhancement is Recharge/Dam/Acc. That kind of thing.
What else bugs you about the current market interface? Again, I'm not talking about big problems, or missing features that might take weeks to implement, just little things that feel like they could be fixed in a couple of hours by a temp hitting copy/paste over and over?*
*Standard Code Rant applies, sadly... but it FEELS like something a temp could fix in a couple of hours of copy pasting!!! -
We should do that again some time. It's still a bit mysterious.
Basically, we determined that when a bunch of people list the same thing for the same price, then the order in which the sales take place depends on the order in which the items are listed. It's not FIFO. It's not LIFO. It seemed to be a random order, but it was always the exact same sequence.
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Quote:Sam, I have been reading your posts for many years now, and though we've never met, or even corresponded, I've gotten kind of fond of you. It makes me a very sad panda to see you throw away money like that because of impatience.As I said before, my patience for Marketeering does not exist. It's just about enough to snag a full set of commons even if I have to pay 40 million for them (which I had to, last time), though I could see myself staggering Set Inventions slotting over the 50-to-Incarnate process. But not by too much.
Please, just once, as an experiment, try this one thing: the next time you're all done playing for the day and you're about to log out, head over to the market. Put in a bid for 10 common IO's. Not the recipes: the already crafted ones. Whatever kind you want. Accuracy? Healing? Whatever. Any level you want, except 50. How about 45? 45 is nice. Almost the same bonus as a 50, much better than an SO, but much cheaper than a 50. Put in the bid for, say, 151,000 inf. Maybe the last 5 are all double or triple that. Maybe it would take a million or ten to buy one right now. But try putting in a bid for 151k. Or maybe less. How about either 151k or 1/2 the lowest price in the last 5, whichever is lower. Then log out.
The next day when you log in, maybe you'll have bought some. Maybe not. But no harm in trying, right? And if it turns out that you can buy a whole stack of them for that price, half the price that people were paying last night, or even lower, well... that's the value of patience. And you didn't even have to be patient! Ten seconds before logging out, ten seconds after logging in... there's no waiting at all! During the in-between time you weren't waiting; you were sleeping, or eating, or doing whatever it is you do with your life.
Now hopefully, if you had the same luck that I usually do, then you now have a relatively painless way to get what you want for a tiny fraction of what you were paying before. Of course, it might turn out that you didn't actually need a stack of those enhancements. In that case, you might as well get rid of them. Just sell them all for the same price you paid when you bought them. Then go play. Have fun. Ignore the market. If you're lucky, they'll all sell while you're doing other things. By the time you get back to the market, you might discover that the ten enhancements you listed for 151k have sold for 200k or 250k each. Or maybe not. And maybe the whole experiment will be so boring and awful that you'll never want to do it again. That's fine. Just try it, once, as a favor to me. And I'll tell you what, if you lose money on the deal, let me know. I'll email it to you, no worries.
What do you say? You don't really want me to be a sad, sad panda, do you? -
When people craft something for a profit, they tend to be careful to list it high. When people are just dumping out base storage or dumping their tray of leftovers after a respec, not so much. And some people just assume that the bids on crafted items will be higher, so they list low.
Personally I find that with patience I can often get really good deals on crafted items. -
I'm surprised by how big the spread is on some stuff. I was trying to buy some piece of common salvage the other day. There were many thousands for sale and 0 bids, and yet I couldn't buy one for less than 10,000 inf.
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Quote:Does it actually do a mag 1 disorient? That would be something at least. If you're running oppressive gloom it could bump the stun up from minion to Lt, right? That's... better than I thought. Still not much.I call it the "Chance to do nothing" proc. My recollection is when it procs, it is a mag 1 disorient effect, which doesn't do anything to minions or higher. I believe it will actually stun an underling, but I can't see any value to that. I have 5-6 of these procs stored from drops my characters have gotten over time. I keep hoping something will be done to make them worthwhile. Tried putting one in some of my Nrg brute's attacks, but it does so little, if anything, I can't tell that it's even there.
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They get it from Hero A, but not because he listed his first. The fact that Hero A listed his first means nothing. It matters a little bit if the prices were tied, though not in the way you might expect, but as long as the prices are different the order in which they were listed doesn't matter.
The nearness of price isn't relevant either.
The defragging shouldn't matter, unless things go terribly wrong with the hardware on which the market server is running.
The buyer will buy the cheapest item listed. That's it. If you want to sell quickly, list low. Whatever is listed lowest will sell first, to any bid which is higher than the list price.
Edit: Incidentally, there are some guides stickied at the top of the forum. Some of the mechanical questions are probably answered somewhere in there. I haven't read my own guide lately, but I think I covered that. It seems like the kind of thing I would have covered. -
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Sounds like a bug to me. Maybe less of a bug and more of a performance hiccup. Either the interface was correctly displaying the fact that the market was frozen, at least for that one item. Or the market was working, but the display was frozen, or it wasn't communicating the transactions to the game client in any way.
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Ha! I'm not completely crazy! So can we still do that, or did they change something to block it? I seem to remember people with HO's being unhappy, but like I said, I didn't have any to slot anyhow, so I didn't pay much attention.
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This is the disorient proc? I didn't realize it worked at all. I thought it was bugged when it first came out.
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Quote:I thought the devs did describe that as an exploit, at least where HO's were concerned, a few years ago. I seem to recall that they did something to limit our ability to slot HO's in ways they didn't like... but I didn't have enough HO's at the time to worry about it. So I guess it was probably more like 4 years ago.Since you mentioned perma Mind Link, I feel compelled to mention that while you cannot slot enhancements that only boost recharge (e.g., SO's and common IO's) into Mind Link, you can slot set IO's and HO's that include recharge into Mind Link, and the enhancement will affect Mind Link's recharge time. This is also working as intended, or at least the devs have never expressed an interest in 'fixing' it. It's a very cost-effective means of achieving perma-ML.
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I agree, that seems weird. Even if one person is buying and selling at the same time, I would expect they would buy from you when you listed at 1.
I tried buying one of those and listing it for 1, and it sold instantly for 5 inf. So right now I can't seem to reproduce what you're seeing. -
I still haven't gotten a tank, blaster, or any villain past the teens. I still haven't succeeded at the Abandoned Sewers Trial.
I still organize my inspirations, just like so many people.
I still think "run in and hit them" is a good plan A, and "run in and hit them some more" is a good plan B, after plan A leads to a team wipe.
I still can't remember which SO does what for any origin but mutation, which used to be the main reason my characters were always mutants. -
I'm not sure Black Scorpion will give you the patron arc if you're not a true villain. I haven't tried it myself.
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Quote:Oh, let's not sacrifice the goat! Maybe a chicken. We like the goat right where he is.You could also try praying to make sure that prices came down to the level you want them to.
Or ask Santa.
Or sacrifice a goat.
As for the OP, another way to look at it is this: if an item is so terribly expensive, then there are probably lots of bids out there, and zero for sale. In that case, some of those outstanding bids might well be fore as much or more than the last 5 prices. In that case, it doesn't matter what you list the item for. 1 inf or 10 inf or 50 million inf. Anything less than the going rate will result in the item selling instantly for the going rate. You can't force prices down when the buyers are forcing them up.
One of the odd asymmetries of our market is that the seller cannot force the buyer to pay more than they bid, but the buyer can force the seller to take more than they asked for. -
Oh, I only fight inflation when I'm buying. When I'm selling, inflation is my friend.