How high does LoTG Rech stack?
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Posted on: 2011-01-10 15:51 in The Market and Inventions
Rule of Fives -- You can apply 5 LotG +7.5% recharges in any given build, for a global +37.5% recharge.
(The "Rule of Fives" is based on the name of the set bonus, so you can actually pair 5 LotGs with up to 5 other unrelated +7.5% recharge bonuses.)
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Extraordinary! Thank you for the answer. That explains why my fellow widows talk about perma-mind link.
Is this working as intended or something we think the devs will "fix"?
The 7.5% recharge is considered a set bonus, because it affects your character as a whole rather than just that one power, and set bonuses are not affected by ED.
The Rule of Five is the fix, or more specifically the balancing mechanism. It's working as intended.
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ED (enhancement diversification, or a number of other punchlines) doesn't affect bonuses- it won't affect Build Up, or Speed Boost, or a red insp, or a set bonus. | I was under the impression that it was like a normal set bonus and after 3 it suffered from DE |
What it DOES affect is the enhancement slotting in a power. So if you slot six SO's of damage, only [roughly] three "count." The specific rule is a little different and mathy, though. The way I remember it is that "100%" of slotting gives you very close to 95%. Every 33% after that gives you 5%.
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Since you mentioned perma Mind Link, I feel compelled to mention that while you cannot slot enhancements that only boost recharge (e.g., SO's and common IO's) into Mind Link, you can slot set IO's and HO's that include recharge into Mind Link, and the enhancement will affect Mind Link's recharge time. This is also working as intended, or at least the devs have never expressed an interest in 'fixing' it. It's a very cost-effective means of achieving perma-ML.
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I thought the devs did describe that as an exploit, at least where HO's were concerned, a few years ago. I seem to recall that they did something to limit our ability to slot HO's in ways they didn't like... but I didn't have enough HO's at the time to worry about it. So I guess it was probably more like 4 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Intrinsic
Since you mentioned perma Mind Link, I feel compelled to mention that while you cannot slot enhancements that only boost recharge (e.g., SO's and common IO's) into Mind Link, you can slot set IO's and HO's that include recharge into Mind Link, and the enhancement will affect Mind Link's recharge time. This is also working as intended, or at least the devs have never expressed an interest in 'fixing' it. It's a very cost-effective means of achieving perma-ML.
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Actually, no, you can do with HOs anything that they will slot into based on any aspect that they count as enhancers for. In fact, they do things no set enhancer does, like how Enzymes enhance both defense debuffs and defense. Set IOs "know better" in the sense that the combination of what sets powers take and what those sets enhance don't let us combine them that way.|
Originally Posted by peterpeter
I thought the devs did describe that as an exploit, at least where HO's were concerned, a few years ago. I seem to recall that they did something to limit our ability to slot HO's in ways they didn't like... but I didn't have enough HO's at the time to worry about it. So I guess it was probably more like 4 years ago.
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Mind Link is like that on purpose. Castle posted that he knew you could do that with it and described it as an "experiment".
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The one they described as an exploit was using defence debuff HOs where the power took defence buffs, as they function as defence buffs, but work on the 33% scale rather than the 20%.
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Originally Posted by peterpeter
I thought the devs did describe that as an exploit, at least where HO's were concerned, a few years ago. I seem to recall that they did something to limit our ability to slot HO's in ways they didn't like... but I didn't have enough HO's at the time to worry about it. So I guess it was probably more like 4 years ago.
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Ha! I'm not completely crazy! So can we still do that, or did they change something to block it? I seem to remember people with HO's being unhappy, but like I said, I didn't have any to slot anyhow, so I didn't pay much attention.
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Originally Posted by Minotaur
The one they described as an exploit was using defence debuff HOs where the power took defence buffs, as they function as defence buffs, but work on the 33% scale rather than the 20%.
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LoTG: Def/GRech is in its own rule of 5 and does not stack with other 7.5% Grech bonuses.
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Originally Posted by Pinball
I was under the impression that it was like a normal set bonus and after 3 it suffered from DE, but I see people with builds that have 5-6 of this in them.
Is this people squeezing every little bit out them or does it stack that many times? If so, is it a bug that they're likely to fix and not something worth investing millions into? |
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um.. that's badly phrased. The LotG +recharge is in its own rule of 5 (because the set bonus has a different name) and it stacks just fine with the regular 7.5% recharge bonus. i.e. You can have five LotG *AND* five others and get the bonus of all ten.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
LoTG: Def/GRech is in its own rule of 5 and does not stack with other 7.5% Grech bonuses.
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I understand you were saying that it doesn't stack with the other bonuses for purposes of triggering the 'rule of five', but that phrasing was really confusing.
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Dragging up this old thread...
I'm using mids and have LotG+7.5s all over the place. I'm planning stealth pool, not because I'll use it, but because I can cram +23.5 global recharge in the given slots. I've also put them in CJ, Hover, PFF, and about anything that'll take them. (It's an elec^2 blaster and I really don't dig the secondary)
(note: I'm just goofing around. No need for critique)
With my ranged attacks, AoE, Holds, Defs, I'm getting 101% rech and Mids, when printing out the set breakdowns isn't saying I'm breaking the rule of fives on the LotG.
So, after all those words, Is Mid's wrong?
Do you have more than 5 LotG: Global Increased Recharge slotted? If so, and Mids' says there's nothing over the cap, then Mids' is mistaken.
More likely though, is that you used one of the shortcuts to place the same enhancement as the last one you placed, and have been dropping one of the other pieces in the set into these powers; as far as I know, Mids' has no bugs calculating the Rule of Five at the moment.
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I was probably mistaken. I could recreate the build. I dont' think I saved it as it was really off base. I don't think I'd take the stealth pool just to plant 3 LotGs.
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I would, and I have. ^_^ On a blaster and a defender, I think.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
I was probably mistaken. I could recreate the build. I dont' think I saved it as it was really off base. I don't think I'd take the stealth pool just to plant 3 LotGs.
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Originally Posted by Organica
I would, and I have. ^_^ On a blaster and a defender, I think.
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Me too, though only a couple times. And one of them, I already had [Stealth], I took the other two for LotG mules.
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Originally Posted by Organica
I would, and I have. ^_^ On a blaster and a defender, I think.
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@Roderick
If you don't like the stealth pool, try leadership. Maneuvers and Vengeance both take LOTG's.
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Same here, but only on one toon where I was going for perma-dom.
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Originally Posted by Organica
I would, and I have. ^_^ On a blaster and a defender, I think.
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Originally Posted by Intrinsic
If you don't like the stealth pool, try leadership. Maneuvers and Vengeance both take LOTG's.
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Stealth (the power) and SS would be good for me as I would like SS to be a little slower when I'm indoors.
I was under the impression that it was like a normal set bonus and after 3 it suffered from DE, but I see people with builds that have 5-6 of this in them.
Is this people squeezing every little bit out them or does it stack that many times? If so, is it a bug that they're likely to fix and not something worth investing millions into?