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Hah, Mid's shows that Mesmerize would be right around 4 minutes.

Man I keep forgetting about Hami's on my builds. Switched the End/Hold to a Dam/Mez. It's a start. Might later switch out the Basilisk's set with something else to get more Damage if need be.

My plan has been to use a chain of Dominate->Subdue->Mind Probe. Cycles in 3.96 s, 636.5 dmg for a DPS of 160.5. (simple calculation, nothing fancy, so I'm not sure about accuracy. The 18% -res from the Ray should help bump it up a bit, and then there's pet damage also.) Combined with Drain Psyche, I was thinking that'd be more than enough to take an AV down quickly.

I saw on another thread that it takes 9(?) applications of the hold to perma hold an AV, and Domination's duration is long enough. Am I right about this?

I had looked at Confuse, but didn't think it was that much easier to insert damage attacks into. Might give it a look. Course, confusing AV will wind up with more Drain Psyche fodder dead, so not as much Endurance available...but maybe that's not a big issue at all.

On my WS, with 2 endmods in Stygian, I'm getting 34 end per mob. That'll fill it up with 3 mobs. (Actually not completely, since I have +end from IO's/Accolades)

I took the endmods out, and then got 20 per mob. Now I'd need to hit 5 to fill up completely.

I know the health varies between minion/leut/boss, but I don't think the endurance does. Could be mistaken though.

Now that I couldn't do, with no end mod. Going from needing 4-5 bodies to refill endurance to 2-3 is awesome, and imo the base heal amount is already good. What, 2 bodies are enough without any enhancement to refill health bar? It's been a while since I've played my WS.

You'll need about ~87% global recharge, plus 3-slotted Hasten, and a well-slotted Eclipse (which is as little as 4 slots) in order for Eclipse to be perma. That's what I have on mine, and I have a few seconds of leeway before it expires that I can fire it again. For teaming, you don't really *need* to have it perma, since if it goes off in-between spawns, you can just jump into the next spawn and hit it again.

No, your WS life doesn't have to be stuck to Eclipse-Mire-Nova. You can pop into Dwarf to taunt some baddies away from some squishies, pound on some annoying Boss or other pesky mob, do some in the moment controlling with Inky and Gravitic Emanation and Gravity Well if things suddenly get out of control and need it. Every AT is going to have a certain repetitiveness (BU+Aim+AoE's for a blaster, for example), and IMO the WS has some of the most versatility to keep it interesting.

On my purpled shade, teaming generally involves me trying to dive head first into every spawn, chew 'em up in whichever way possible (Nova usually, Quasar when it's up, Well, Dwarf), summon pets whenever possible, watch for bad situations that can be cleaned up easily (ambushes especially, or teammates in trouble). When in Nova, time spent maneuvering will help turn the KB into KD, and is more entertaining for me then just sitting there pushing a button.

I skipped most of the human form blasts on my tri-form, Shadow Blast is decent.
Gravity Well is a real heavy hitter.

No, don't need the shields if you have Eclipse perma (or am using a tri-form for that matter).

Dwarf is very useful, imo, try it and see if you like it, although until the attacks are slotted half-way decent, you might not be impressed.

Inky Aspect is pretty good, especially paired with Gravitic Emanation (a VERY good power). Those two together can stun a boss quickly and allow you to stack holds from Well if you want.

Unchain Essence's damage will be beat by simply firing the two Nova AoE's, and those two will recharge the same as normal AoE's, while Unchain is on a long timer. And Unchain requires targeting a mob. And does KB (Nova's KB is much better since you can fire down on mobs easily). Those are the reasons I don't like it. But several others around here do.

Quasar - standard nuke. But combined with double Miring plus all your endurance back with a Blue + Stygian Circle, it's really nice.

Edit: As for costs, 3 LotG uniques, Basilisk's in Gravity Well, 2 sets of Stupefy in Gravitic and Inky, Doctored Wounds in the Dwarf heal, will total to 47.5% recharge. Those wouldn't be too expensive (so long as you spend a bit of time while leveling to do TF's and Ouro arcs for merits for the LotG's), and leaves you with 40% more to find in other places.

*Doh, cheap 4 pieces of Perfect Zinger in the Dwarf Taunt, and you're only 35% away from it now.

How many slots do you give to Stygian? I've always had either 1 or 2 on my build.

I've got the Fitness pool on my Warshade, but only because I love having both Swift and Hurdle. Don't have Stamina.

Stygian Circle is good enough for me. Stamina won't work in with the forms anyway...and if I need some endurance while in human form, there's usually bodies around to Stygian from. If there's not, then I wasn't using the endurance I had very effectively, was I?

Most of the time (in fact, almost all of the time), a set that provides a good global bonus as its 5th or 6th set piece bonus will in fact give you good enhancement for the power.

For example, I can slot 5 pieces of Crushing Impact into one of the dwarf melee attacks, and get 68.9% Acc, 98.3% Dam, 47.7% End Redux, and 47.7% Rech, which is just fine. On top of that, I'm getting some more HP, global accuracy buff, and 5% more global recharge for all of my powers.

Also, the combination of set bonuses can help enhance your powers at the same time. On my current WS build, I have +76% Accuracy, +88.8% Recharge, +8% Damage all from set bonuses that add up - so that helps where the set themselves are lacking in enhancement.

If you don't have Mid's Hero Designer, check that out and try it. Also as noted above, I'm guessing that if you are new to IO's then you are new to the market and ways of earning the necessary amounts of inf - so check out the market subforum.

Times like these are when I use Gravitiv Emanation to perma-stun enemies. With smaller spawns, it's even more manageable than normal. Let's me do stuff like duo with a lowbie blaster and then take on some malta missions without harm.

*As for ways to buff Dwarf form, nothing slot-wise immediately comes to mind...I need to revamp the slotting on mine actually, it's been the same since before the changes to the dwarf mire.

I'm right at perma Eclipse on my WS - I've got a few seconds of grace after it wears off to try to reapply. I have 88.8% global recharge, with three-slotted Hasten. My Eclipse is slotted 2 Res/Rech and 2 Acc/Rech. So there's a rough figure for you.

Gravitic Emanation should be extremely helpful once you take it and slot it. If you have no +recharge bonuses, you can 6-slot it with some triple/double stun IO's and it will be perma - much easier if you already have some +recharge though. It will enable you to solo safely and focus much more on your damage. Gravitic -> Nova to kill a spawn works 90% of the time, even against enemies that can mez you.

Hm, no perhaps they fixed it then. I just remember people talking about it over in Inventions/Market subforum way back when. Way back when, as in, potentially a couple years ago.

Short forum export -> on the right hand side, scroll down and choose vBulletin. Fruit Salad on the left looks good.

Then it'll export cleanly.

Any +recharge offered by IO set bonuses is global - it affects all powers you have. And no, you don't need Shadow Cloak active to receive it. Also, while this my not apply to you, if you are in any form you'll still get IO set bonuses.

...I had something written up, but just realized Vengeance can carry a LotG as well. So there's the stealth pool that can hold 3 but is practically useless. Leadership pool can have 2 and includes Vengeance, which can be nice at times. I'd say go with the stealth pool if you are either 1) close enough to perma Eclipse that the 7.5% is needed, or 2) always forget to fire Vengeance anyway (I fall into this category). Else, go with Leadership.

Looking at your last sentence in your first paragraph - it's exactly the thing I'm thinking about, balancing possible power picks with the slots available. A tri-former simply will not be effective taking all or too many human powers - for the chosen powers (some at least) to be effective, they must be slotted. But pulling slots from the forms is going to lower effectiveness over all. (On my current build, I've actually placed more slots in my form attacks than in my "naturally" chosen powers) I see a lot of bad tri-form builds where the form attacks are given 2-4 slots while awful picks such as human Detonation and all the shields are chosen and slotted well. Meanwhile, Gravitic Emanation (a personal favorite, as anyone who reads many of my posts will know) is completely left out. Now that's a radical example and I'm not at all implying you build -anything- along those lines, but it happens.

There are 6-8 really great powers available and IMO should be taken on all WS's. The rest are either fairly normal compared to other AT's, or sub-par.

Also, the OP seems intent on going with the Leadership pool + Combat Jumping. That's three places for LotG, and includes the usefulness of Vengeance. Nothing I'll argue with over that.