MrLiberty

Just a quick observation and mostly speculation on my part. Z mentioned that the hiber break was being fixed, along with applying a PvP value to Incandescence. The only thing that actually needs a pvp value would be the stun. (14.96 sec vs. 4 seconds) Every other destiny doesn't have a "PvP" value for its buffs as its covered by DR, so the +Heal (or -heal resistance or however its worded) should be staying in tact I would think. At the very least it may still be a viable option to get around HD in the zones.

Now all we need next issue is an incarnate power that makes buffs/debuffs unresistable so Kin's can get rid of TS.

Defense can actually be pretty good, depending on what you are facing. With the combo of Tier 9 / Burnout / Tier 9 / Magus you are looking at 7 minutes straight of god mode. Sets like EA with its crazy high elusivity will have characters with Powerboosted Aim/BU and 80% global acc have hit rolls in the mid to low 20's. If you are a scrapper or stalker, adding in shadow meld and you need a pile of -defense or some very lucky hit rolls coming in from a lot of players at once to die.

You are *whining* about support class and toons with a self heal being able to use it more often, while still having the huge amount of TS that comes with spamming your aura. What incandescence does is removes the massive cruch that is heal decay, a mechanic put into place so bad / unorganized players could hope to get kills in zones.

If you could manage to control yourself from foaming out the mouth the second someone mentions "i13" you'll noticed I only mentioned it out of the irony that comes from the statement "Totally invalidates a core pvp mechanic" Because that is exactly what heal decay did. So now the dev's put something in that invalidates what had invalidated something else a few years earlier, you are the one crying this time around.

Please tell me who you are that you can safely say what we are and are not meant to do? Seriously now. For years a (much larger) community got by just fine without heal decay. In arena pvp teams still get by just fine without it as well. So what are you basing your opinion on, that this incarnate power breaks pvp? This is why I pointed out what other destiny powers can do, yet you were all to quick to dismiss them because one can only guess you got beat a few times by a new power and decided to come on the boards and whine about it. Re read your post, because that is exactly what it comes off like, you had your crutch kicked out from under you and now you are upset.

Its statements like this that probably cause me to pass a condescending tone towards people.

"Please show me where these powers are in those AT sets" we are talking about incarnates and how they have influenced PvP. You go so far as to call rebirth incarnates a staple in PvP, yet ignore the way they have reshaped playing a Dom or Blaster. In one breath you can say "Its okay if a character with no self heal gets a 1000 point heal and massive regen bonus) and in another say "But characters with a self heal shouldn't be allowed to use it at full strength all the time."

In the future, please stop a moment and think out your statements before talking circles around yourself.

Glad to see you ended on a strong note, really I am.

You aren't crying for a nerf, really?

Let me help you out here, if something were "Busted" or broken you would say "While hibernated, a player is flagged as *Only affecting self* yet, Incandescence ignores this flag and stuns you anway." Is it intended? A bug, or the WAI now? We don't know, but it would appear to be a bug given the way "Only affecting self" powers have acted in the past.

"OMG ITS TOO GOOD EMPS ARE BEATING EARTH FIRES NOW WITH ONLY 2 ATTACKS" Your argument/statement is a nerf cry.

To finish things off, your personal attack about "using the 800 point heal at a smarter time" so hibes don't get broken doesn't really apply here as a majority of my characters run phase shift and don't have to worry about that. It was definitely the strong finish I hoped for after what was a very well thought out post.

Considering the core PvP mechanic completely invalidated what made support AT's good for several years before it was implemented, you don't really have that strong of a case.

Additionally, every blaster/dom out there has a 800-1000 point heal that follows up with a massive regen spike. Countless melee types run around with a MoG style power, that at its peak makes them all but invulnerable and in its down time still provides a buff that boosts their survivablity. I have to laugh at someone crying out for a nerf to support toons in zone, after they were already pretty much made obsolete for the past few years.

Heaven forbid we move back to a direction where facing at team with support might mean needing to do more than just randomly damage spam a target a little longer until they die or phase.

The only things broken with this power is the stun not flagged for PvP and the fact that it can break hibernate.

Considering less than a month ago they adjusted/fixed the duration on Poison's hold controllers, its more than possible it could be fixed.

Stalagmites (for dominators only) for some reason gets a 1.96 extra base duration but it isn't the longest control duration out there. Total Domination, Mass Confuse, and Terrify all operate on 7.45 second base durations for Mind Controllers only. Interestingly enough, seismic smash *and* fissure from Earth assault also has a 5.96 base duration tied to it. So I don't know if stalagmites is really a bug in that sense, its more that just stuns are less commonly resisted without a support AT keeping two CM's on someone, and when a dominator is in domination its mezzes are supposed to be unresisted.

Damage procs are definitely the way to go now, they are expensive but the difference they make is huge.

First, Perma hasten isn't what it was 5 years ago. Back then there was no such thing as passive global recharge and slotting on the high end of things didn't often allow for many things to be slotted for recharge. Things like dull pain of course did, but from an attack perspective, I don't remember slotting many attacks for much recharge. (Old Hami-O slotting)

If you are getting 8-15 seconds of downtime on hasten, you already have perma hasten levels of recharge before you even touch the power, and with using sets many of your powers likely have decent recharge slotting in them as well.

That being said, most builds can get perma hasten with 1 of 2 routes. The first being the standard 3 slots in hasten + 110% global passive recharge. This pretty much assumes you will be building for recharge and probably not all that much else. The second path if you are going for a recharge heavy build, would be to go for the Spiritual Alpha (in incarnates) and it will significantly cut down the global recharge you require for the buff to be perma.

Again keep in mind, perma hasten isn't really something to shoot for like it was way back when. Things like Perma Drain Psyche, Phantom Army, Heat Loss, etc etc are recharge goals to shoot for, outside of that its usually better to build for moderate to high recharge (70 ish%) and pile on as much defense as you can to a build.

EM is above a lot of the AoE heavy sets for ST damage (Surprise) however, the sets that do beat it for ST damage, have better AoE (Sometimes much much much better) Offhand I want to say Fire, KM, Stone (Possibly), SS all beat it out for ST damage. Street Justice might be on this list as well now too.

Its an above average ST damage set that self damages the user on a regular basis for what can be a signifcant amount over time. If it was the top of the ST charts, the self damage and bad aoe would have some justification. However, it isn't, so they don't.

So True. So True.

Imagine if you will, a fire controller with damage capped contained hot feet, cages, and an epic AoE attack. Just sit there and think about that one for a moment, but don't tell anyone else.