Memphis_Bill

*ding ding ding* We have a winnah!

(Admittedly, part of it was a bit of irritation from work, too, which crept into that.)

Now there's something I can say would be perfectly fine, IMHO. Wouldn't affect my gameplay negatively, and *may* reduce the feeling of "tedium" for those who feel they *are* tedious - much like people complained about Clear mind. Same buff, same duration, but it feels much faster.

So giving them to people who would like them would affect you how? If you don't have a use for them, and they affect nothing (powers/combat/xp/etc-wise) in game, just ignore them. You're not at any disadvantage.

Seems like a silly reason to argue against it.

Oh, and /signed. I have some characters that could really use more.

Except, of course, that your change would reduce the amount of fun these sets are NOW for others. But hey, you keep ignoring that viewpoint, because obviously yours is all that matters and those of us arguing against it are just doing so to keep you down.

... right.

"Am I surrounded by enemies? Yes? Foot stomp."
"Is the shield about to expire? Yes? Reapply."

Or I could turn that around. "You can use the shields in situations that are a little different - different team makeup, different team playstyle, different terrain." It's just as true. (Or, rather, just as "not really true.")

Except that some of those buff players would no longer be playing because of dislike of the change. Because that's not a tedious boring portion of the job.

In addition, if you're calling this a team buff - or looking at your pet idea, which would likely affect *only* the team - you've just taken away the ability for my higher levels to offer shields to lowbies going into the Sewers, or through the Hollows, or other places that they tend to be appreciated.

Plus, if you're arguing at ME for "having no facts," you need to hold yourself to the same standard.

... except, of course, that others have already asked for similar treatment for other powers in this, and other, threads.

Silas:
or Maelwys:

for instance.

See "People may not want them."
Except, of course, that people do actually ask NOT to have them for various reasons. Thermal's known for this, especially, with people not wanting them due to system performance issues. Ice tends to have them for a personal preference issue (appearance.) Sonic used to have shields that made people *physically ill,*** and there's nothing to say another set won't come in that won't do something similar.

** (I was one of these, and one of the more vocal proponents to change this, arguing for it for a year and a half before it finally got changed. Having this as an AOE buff that couldn't skip would have led to me dropping teams frequently and/or either me or an SG mate being left off SG teams. Yeah. "Fun." )

Gee, looks like several reasons to not want shields.

See above.

See above. You've still taken away *my* ability to choose.

The "Gather," perhaps, but not the other. Still a problem. And you've taken away my ability to make the decision on buffing/not buffing specific people.

"I don't like playing this" is not a bad mechanic. It's a personal preference.

Except, of course, that's a part of the set.
If they don't like doing something, they shouldn't do it. How this is *such* a difficult point for you to grasp is just mind-boggling.

.... backed up by experience...
Funny, you seem to be giving the same thing, not facts.
Strange, I just re-illustrated the point AGAIN in this very post.
And even redoing it for just shields has issues, as pointed out up top.

Funny how you put my opinion as just that, but the opposing as a fact - when it, too, is opinion. Just like "Masterminds are boring" is an opinion. Just like "I don't like playing Ice" is an opinion. And, gee, the fact it's being argued AGAINST should give you an idea that it's not, by far, a universal opinion - for instance, stratonexus - "I support the current setup not because I find it tedious, but because I find it fun. Since you find it tedious, you should play other sets. There are plenty out there that do not require buffing. Do not change the sets I find fun because you want them all to be like Radiation Emission (a set I find tedious)."

That doesn't even go into how (else) the powers might be nerfed if this horrid idea were implemented.

And threads popping up "regularly" does not make anything more true. (See "Accuracy was nerfed" that comes up after almost every issue.)
If you actually seemed to read and comprehend the counter point instead of saying "oh, that's your opinion, so it doesn't count, and all the valid points you've made against it I'm just going to ignore," people might find it easier to take you more seriously.

1. What if I accidentally apply Speed Boost to someone who doesnt' want it? They now get re-SB'd every time unless they leave the team or die.

2. Other buffs such as Fortitude, I *don't* want to apply to the same person. I'll reapply as needed. I wouldn't WANT those auto-renewed. Same with Clear Mind/Clarity. Those don't need constant reapplication.

3. What about "buff/heals," such as O2 boost? I don't want that getting reapplied continually, and they likely don't need to be healed that often.

You've just introduced a whole new set of problems.

Shield applied as teammate.

Sheidler then leaves the team, or just sits at the door.

No.

See prior "Why AOE is bad for buffs."

Not any more than "If you don't like micromanaging, don't play masterminds," or "if you don't like the fact you'll get mezzed and don't want to carry breakfrees, don't play a squishy."


As opposed to pressing the same few buttons to fire attacks off?

So... as I said before, if you want to play support without the "tedium" as you put it of shielding sets, play one of the *other* sets.

Oh my god! I hope you had sunglasses on. That was blindingly obvious.
As is *ignoring the points brought up as to why it shouldn't be changed.* But hey, you just go on ignoring those.
... you know, like you do *right here.* Answered in the third post in the thread. Here, let me make it easier for you to read:


... which it will,
which it won't...
But resistance to a bad idea makes perfect sense.
Hmm. DOn't like control, don't play a controller. Don't like the shield setup, don't play one.

OH MY GOD, sorry, think I may have blinded you again. No "thugging" as you put it, and no comment one way or the other on your playing ability.

Counter:

After almost every issue, we get threads asking about accuracy being nerfed. It obviously hasn't been, but the "stuff is new and changed" of a new issue raises perception (and makes you notice those misses more.)

Does the fact that that's a common post-issue complaint mean that this perceived accuracy needs to be examined, even though nothing else has changed (in fact, with beginner's luck, it's better on new characters?)

I'm not going to say you can't say "it feels low and less rewarding" so far, but turning that into "that's a trend that needs to be examined," well - not any more than it already is. As a new system, I'm sure it IS being watched and, should the devs feel it needs it, adjustments will be made, regardless of what we say here.

Well, IIRC he had wanted to be a hero for some time - so he might want to ditch the "jeans and T-shirt" and go for an actual costume.

I agree, I don't think he'd be armored, but I don't think he'd stick with street clothes, either.

See prior comments for (a) why that change went in - a reason not a part of Defender/Controller/Corruptor play, and (b) the problems associated.
A few seconds out of several minutes. And if you prioritize, and pay attention to who gets what buffs (why are you throwing CM/ID on the tank again? Bubbling that softcapped scrapper?) you reduce your own "tedium."

Besides. It's pushing buttons. You have something else targeted. How is this less tedious than pushing buttons at enemies?

/this.

shift-1, 8, 9, shift-2, 8, 9, shift-4 (assuming you're in the #3 slot,) 8, 9 - etc. Done quickly, go back to blasting/controlling/whatever. Doesn't take that long.

If you find buffing tedious, don't play a buffer.
If you find being squishy tedious, don't play something squishy.
If you don't like melee, don't play a tank/scrapper/brute/stalker.
If you don't like control, don't play a controller/dominator.

Amazingly enough, people do this *all the time* and delete their tanks/scrappers/defenders/corruptors/controllers/etc.

If you want to play "support" but not deal with this type of buff, look into Rad, Dark, Traps, etc. There are other options.

*points to the EAT at WW's link in sig*

Yep. Regular ATs are like looking out at the full city. EATs are getting in to a specific neighborhood and getting to know everyone there. I like getting into specific bits of lore and exploring them, which is what an EAT lets you do. (Badly, in the case of VEATs.)

Multiple issues with this too. (Has to be added: Search the suggestions forum. This gets hashed out often.)

1. There's no toggle that can be applied selectively to multiple teammates, and
2. That toggle, so far, depends on YOUR END and Mez state. Individually applied bubbles - you can get mezzed, run out of END or die a second later, and the team's still protected. Far superior, IMHO.

Hell no.

(1) Do it that way and I have to stop the team to apply them.
(2) Do it that way and people who DON'T want a buff get them anyway.
(3) Do it that way and people I *Do* want to buff, who may be out of range that moment, miss the buff and have to wait - yet I've still burned that end.

Masterminds got that buff because they essentially *could not play* until they finished setting up. Pre-AOE-buff, it'd be like throwing a timer on a blaster so they'd have their first Tier1 blast right away, the next few powers opening up a minute into the mission, and the final (and their secondary) opening up two minutes in. It was a massive problem... for that AT, and for anyone teaming with them.

I'd go more for having unfixed errors in the arc preventing it from being played (60 days)

Simply because we've had so many changes that old, inactive arcs are going to tend to HAVE those errors, at least from what I've seen - invalid maps, character changes, item changes, etc.

When they find one, send an email (and/or admin tell) to the account. Give them 30 days to fix/remove it. If it isn't either fixed or removed, it gets auto-removed.

Farms *seem* to get removed, as it is. At least the ones that are caught. The broken ones - well, would fall into the above, possibly.

And... something I don't think I've seen mentioned - they're available at character creation as opposed to 20/30 (any purchased ones will be like this.)

Open up your powers window. On the right - I *believe* under inherent - you'll see the power for Secondary Mutation. Drag out from there, put on tray, click, hope you don't turn into a monkey.

"Today?"

"Obscure code?" You don't need to be a computer programmer. It's not being suggested that you rewrite MIDS.
1. You know (or can see) the inspiration names.
2. You were GIVEN the actual command to use. Hell, I almost wrote it as is.

Put the two together. Not difficult. Spend three minutes (maybe five if you're a slow typer) doing that, you get a series of buttons that you can use *for the rest of the game.*

Don't try to make sticking two Legos together sound like building the Eiffel Tower from scratch.

Oh, and:
You underestimate how important any perceived advantage or benefit - or even RP reason - is to people. Yes, actually, I *did* hear of people deleting and rerolling to get throwing knives (once they became permanent,) for instance.