Hatred666

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Hey, so I was thinking the other day and it seems like stone is almost pointless nowadays besides for pure cosmetics of the set.

With new sets these days like shield and WP, players can get good roundabout defense. Stone gives good defense with a little defense but it also greatly decreases the players speed (last I knew, this mighta changed).

In my mind the only redeeming factor is the granite armor. So I'm just wondering, is there something that I'm forgetting about stone that makes it really good or is it really just that stone defense is getting left in the dust by new and better sets?

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You sir, know very little about this game.

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Well Solo means just that...you dont have people around to tick off so you can play at your own pace...a team is just that, a TEAM. Just like when I was in the Army, they pretty much beat it into our heads (and our muscles) that there is no "I" in team. you stick with the team, you follow the leader and you do what your told.

I too would kick someone from a team if they pulled solo crap on me, and I would urge the leader to do the same if I wasnt the team leader.

Yes, this IS a game, and games are meant to have fun in, but reclessly endangering your "TEAM" makes the rest of the team usualy annoied. Which means that they arent having fun.

Sure, some of you can solo ITF, if thats your bag of tea, then you have no need for a team. Go get a bunch of fillers for your ITF or what ever and boot them when yoru ready, dont endanger everyone else and make it UNFUN for the rest of the people.

Thats my 2inf

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Lol, comparing a MMO to the Army. Internet is srs business.

This build softcaps your S/L, around 40% E/N def, and around 30% F/C def.

You didn't mention whether you want to run toggles fulltime or your going to toggle manage, so I reduced the end drain of the build as much as I could. Your recovery is very high, 3.86 end/sec. Like one of the previous builds, it will require you to get some accolades.

You also have perma rage, and Dark Regeneration recharges every 14 seconds.


Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctvArm-EndRdx(5), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam(42), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(50)
Level 1: Jab -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 2: Murky Cloud -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-EndRdx(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), RctvArm-ResDam(15), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(46)
Level 4: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-EndRdx(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(7), RctvArm-ResDam(17)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration -- H'zdH-Heal/Rchg(A), H'zdH-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Mrcl-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(13)
Level 10: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(23), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(23), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(37), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(37), Mocking-Rchg(46)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 14: Super Jump -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(42), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(43)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(37)
Level 22: Acrobatics -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Knockout Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 26: Cloak of Fear -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb(A), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(27), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(27), SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), EndRdx-I(50)
Level 28: Cloak of Darkness -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(29), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), RedFtn-Def(43), RedFtn-EndRdx(43)
Level 30: Death Shroud -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Erad-Acc/Rchg(31), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 32: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(36), RzDz-EndRdx/Stun(36), RzDz-Acc/EndRdx(36)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Rchg(39), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(39), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-EndRdx(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), RctvArm-ResDam(45)
Level 47: Weave -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Ksmt-Def/EndRdx(48), Ksmt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]2% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]2% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]2% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]2% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]2% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]2% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]2% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]2% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]25.5% Defense(Smashing)[*]25.5% Defense(Lethal)[*]6.13% Defense(Fire)[*]6.13% Defense(Cold)[*]16.8% Defense(Energy)[*]16.8% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]14.3% Defense(Melee)[*]11.8% Defense(Ranged)[*]4.56% Defense(AoE)[*]5.4% Max End[*]9% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]12.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]9% FlySpeed[*]161.6 HP (8.63%) HitPoints[*]9% JumpHeight[*]9% JumpSpeed[*]MezResist(Held) 2.75%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 14.9%[*]26% (0.43 End/sec) Recovery[*]1.26% Resistance(Fire)[*]1.26% Resistance(Cold)[*]9% RunSpeed[*]2% XPDebtProtection[/list]


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I already know the answer to my first question. Is it absolutely necessary? *listens for the resounding "YES!"*

I already know why also, but let's say I'm crazy. (I am.) I like the Stone tanker primary, and I like how most of the various armors look. However, I find the look of Granite Armor to be bland and not fitting for the character I have in mind, so I either choose not to take Granite Armor, or I take it and use it only very (VERY) rarely. How would I do such a thing without being ostracized by any team that may pick me up expecting a huge Granite golem?

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You sound like you'd fit right in on a team with the guys in the other thread who feel like playing a kinetics set without choosing speed boost.

I got my Spines/WP to 50 back in December. I focused on Regen, HP, Defense, and Accuracy.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Darkness Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Lunge -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(3), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(11), Numna-Heal(13), TtmC'tng-ResDam(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Spine Burst -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(7), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(13), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(5), Numna-Heal(5), RgnTis-Regen+(46)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 8: Impale -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Volly-Acc/Dmg(15), Volly-Dmg/EndRdx(36)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal(17), Tr'ge-Heal/EndRdx(40), Tr'ge-Heal/Rchg(50)
Level 18: Quills -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(19), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(19), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(43)
Level 22: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(23), Numna-Heal(23), Heal-I(50)
Level 24: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 26: Ripper -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(27), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(31), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31)
Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(29)
Level 30: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(31), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34), RctvArm-ResDam(39)
Level 32: Throw Spines -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(33), Posi-Dmg/Rng(33), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34)
Level 35: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(40), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(40), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 38: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam(43)
Level 41: Torrent -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb(A), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(42), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(42), SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(42), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Dark Blast -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb(A), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(45), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(45), SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Strength of Will -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]16.8% Defense(Smashing)[*]16.8% Defense(Lethal)[*]6.13% Defense(Fire)[*]6.13% Defense(Cold)[*]8.63% Defense(Energy)[*]8.63% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]9.88% Defense(Melee)[*]5.81% Defense(Ranged)[*]9.25% Defense(AoE)[*]1.8% Max End[*]11.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]52% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]13% FlySpeed[*]286.1 HP (21.4%) HitPoints[*]13% JumpHeight[*]13% JumpSpeed[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 7.15%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%[*]6.5% (0.11 End/sec) Recovery[*]118% (6.6 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]1.58% Resistance(Fire)[*]1.58% Resistance(Cold)[*]6.25% Resistance(Negative)[*]13% RunSpeed[*]4% XPDebtProtection[/list]


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I think big factors are that the PvP was added to the game later, and not at the start. Also that the 'flavor' of this game isn't primarily about fast-paced combat so it never really appealed very much to serious PvP'ers.

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Am I the only one who thinks there's a problem with a superhero MMO that isn't about fast-paced combat. Lol.

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the powers you select is my business.

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Wrong. So wrong I don't even know how to put it in words other than you're wrong. How the person constributes to the team is your business. How the person builds their toon shouldn't be.

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Say you were on a high level team with a tank that didn't take his status protection power. The tank continued to be mezzed over and over and over again, continuously being killed, making it much more difficult for the team to survive because of the lack of aggro management. Would you still say that the tanks choice to not pick up his status protection still isn't your business?

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While not against it -

How would you handle making sure that it's actually something the SG (in general) agrees on, as opposed to just the super leader?

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That's simple. It doesn't matter what the SG members think, it's what the leader thinks. As leader, you already make decisions that your SG may not necessarily agree with. You decide who has what rights, who doesn't. This wouldn't be any different.

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As I've said before. The prospect is entirely situational.

Yes, in some instances, the team will perform sub-optimally. In others, it won't make a difference. And in some, it could cause a rash of face-plants.

Use, misuse, and disuse of a large number of powers across a broad swath of power pools could be said to have these same effects.

My problem isn't that I disagree that the person probably isn't contributing as much to the team as someone who has and uses that specific power. My problem lies with you looking down on those who choose to play their own way. Gimped or otherwise.

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Your right. The powers someone chooses for their toon to play is their business... if their playing solo. However, this is a team oriented game. Teams, based upon their size, increase spawn size and difficulty, and your choice of selection and utilization of powers can have repercussions to a team. In that situation, how you play your toon and the powers you select is my business.

[ QUOTE ]
I have a problem with this build here... im invul/nrgy and with all the changes i can't seem to fit in Energy transfer can i get help with that?

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Other than the steadfast 3% defense unique, this is a very cheap build. You'll be soft-capped to Smash, Lethal, Nrg, and Neg Nrg with 1 foe in range.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Energy Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(15), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 1: Barrage -- S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(13), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), ImpArm-ResDam(11)
Level 4: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal(7), Dct'dW-Rchg(7)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(13), Zephyr-Travel(46), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(46)
Level 8: Unyielding -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(9), ImpArm-ResDam(11)
Level 10: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(40), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(40), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(42), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(42), Mocking-Rchg(42)
Level 12: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(34)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(17), Heal-I(17)
Level 18: Invincibility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(19), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), RedFtn-Def(29), RedFtn-EndRdx(48)
Level 20: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(21)
Level 22: Whirling Hands -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(23), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(25), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(25), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(27), GftotA-Def/Rchg(27)
Level 28: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(29), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(31), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(37), GSFC-Build%(37)
Level 30: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), ImpArm-ResDam(31)
Level 32: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def(33), RedFtn-EndRdx(46)
Level 35: Energy Transfer -- S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(36), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(36), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 38: Total Focus -- S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(39), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(39), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(43), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RctvArm-ResDam(43)
Level 44: Resist Elements -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), RctvArm-ResDam(45)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Unstoppable -- RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(50), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50), RctvArm-ResDam(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Okay there is a build out there that makes a invul tank as strong as a stoner if you have the build pls email me under @tempstra

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I ran an ITF a few days ago as a Shields Tanker. Never died. Not even tanking Rommie. Had an easier time than even my Inv Tanker.

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Did you have a defender or controller who wasn't Kinetics?

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One note ... I've never been on an ITF yet with a Defender (cry).

Having said that, I consider the ITF a *baseline* for tanking. All s/l damage, limited debuffs, non-range heavy mobs. If your Tanker is having problems running through the ITF, then there is either something wrong with the way you built your Tanker or something wrong with the Tanker primary itself.

And some form of support is needed for tanking Romi in general. I couldn't see a non-supported Tanker of any type (unless really purpled out and even then probably not because of how far he can floor your defense). And I include the traditional "holding" method as support here.

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I have seen people tank romulus on tanks with no support easily. I have seen people tank romulus on non-tanks with no support easily. It comes down to the player's skill ultimately.

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I think we can all agree if you have enough purples you can be just like an I1 Tanker (by and large).

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I disagree. Purple sets add very little to direct survivability. They can greatly increase the recharge of your attacks, heals, and tier 9's. The only resistance they add to is fire/cold/psy/toxic which is some of the rarest damage types in the game. They also add greatly to recovery, damage, and accuracy, but that is offensive. Only two purple sets I know of adds to regen, and 2-3 add anything to defense. Your tank survivability would improve more with a Kinetic Combat or Smashing Haymaker set than it would with the purple Hecatomb set.

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So i just finished my little experiment i had going by soloing a character (dark/dark/ghost widow brute) from 1-50. My rules were quite simple:
- Play like a casual player playing at odd hours might. I was on for about an hour most mornings just before the server shutdown and occasionally on weekends for a few hours. I didnt team at all, except for a sharkhead sf and a treespec. I was not at max level for either of these and so was getting XP the whole way through. I didnt find it inconceivable that someone might do 1 SF and 1 treespec on their way to 50.

- Using Veteran respecs and freespecs, i respecced at 27, 32 and 37. So when the majority of my SO's were about to expire i could get FULL VALUE from them and get a nice shiny new set.

- Starting from level 30 i would craft any common IO's i had that i had the salvage for. From level 40 i started crafting any Set IO's i had, buying salvage as necessary. All rare salvage drops i got went straight into storage until needed. Its almost full. All enhancements were sold to the appropriate vendor. All common IO's and common and uncommon salvage were listed on the market for 11. For set IO's, it was a case by case basis. For the common trash, 11. For the in demand stuff, i charged what the market would bear. I would also check the crafted prices and see if it was worth it to craft then sell. At 50, all i have left on the market is some mid 40's trashy set IO's.

So what is the result of my CASUAL PLAYER experiment?
Total merits earned - 382
Liquid assets on hand - A shade over 65 million inf. Large thanks to AE for this as common salvage was listed for 11 and selling up to 250K in some cases.
Brokest period - 22-26. Salvage prices were still down and i was trying to afford SO's.

So there it is.
#1) because, well i found it interesting that with all the doom and gloom that so called casual players are throwing around these days, i was able to quite easily play the game and make money.
#5) I made 65 mil just by playing the game. Who'd have thought...
Implied #7 - You now who i'm aiming this at, i just wont mention them coz my fireproof suit is at the cleaners..
#9) 65 Mil is enough to kit out a toon nicely, or enough capital to become an EBIL marketeer. Or both

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I'm curious how many months it took you to get to 50. You didn't mention it.

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I hope its less Assault Rifley and more based around Single Target burst damage with a Stun/Disorient thrown in there.

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I bet it will be.

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Well, it's "balanced" in a way (meaning all ATs basically do the same thing which is "do damage"), but it's also exceedingly complicated. Everything works way different in PvP than it does in PvE, even the way powers work and the roles of ATs. It's like an entirely different game.

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This is what changed me from a casual PvPer into a non-PvPer.

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Well, as the subject says, i need some information about my fire/fire tanker. I have a couple questions about him. Even though he is level 48 i'm not sure what hes good for yet.

Question One:
What is the main purpose of a fire/fire tanker?
Question Two:
Will i be able to do 6 man demon farms...alone at level 50?
Question Three:
I am looking for two builds, which i can't find. SINGLE TARGET build(for pvp) and an AOE build(for teaming/farming). Could anyone post some really good ones for me? (I have messed up so many times on my builds I can't afford another bad respec).
Question Four:
Should I IO my tanker out? How much will it cost?

Other questions not regarding a tanker:
Merit Rewards:

What should i spend my merit rewards on: ( i want to make money).

THANKS!

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You will have capped fire resistance, so farming demons would be very easy. Your purely resistance based, and you will need to rely on your heal when your hitpoints drop. Personally, I would focus on a high recharge build.

Something like the following is what I would do if I had a fire/fire tank. Idk what kind of inf your working with, so I used the basic sets. If you have the money for purple sets, go for it.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Technology Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Pyre Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(5), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(11), ImpArm-ResDam(19)
Level 1: Scorch -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 2: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal(7), Dct'dW-Rchg(7)
Level 4: Blazing Aura -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(15), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 8: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(9), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(9), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(17), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(34), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(34)
Level 10: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(34), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(40), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(40), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(43), Mocking-Rchg(43)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(13), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), ImpArm-ResDam(19)
Level 14: Super Jump -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 16: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(23)
Level 20: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(21), Efficacy-EndMod(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(46)
Level 22: Acrobatics -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(25), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(25), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(31), AdjTgt-Rchg(37)
Level 26: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(27), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(29), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(31), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 30: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(33), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(33), ImpArm-ResDam(33)
Level 35: Incinerate -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(36), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(39), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(42), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(42), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(42), EoCur-Acc/Hold/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Melt Armor -- AnWeak-DefDeb(A), AnWeak-Acc/DefDeb(45), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg(45), AnWeak-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50), RechRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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If your complaining about buffing a team with a support set you "chose", then maybe a support toon isn't for you.

To give you a few ideas, here's mine. With exception to a few uniques, it's a moderately inexpensive build. Your softcapped to S/L and E/Neg E with one foe in range, as well as 405% regen.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(43), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(46), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 1: Jab -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(33), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam(3), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3)
Level 4: Dull Pain -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Tr'ge-Heal/Rchg(7), Tr'ge-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Tr'ge-EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Punch -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(7), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(11)
Level 8: Unyielding -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(9), ImpArm-ResDam(17)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(15), Zephyr-Travel(34), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(34)
Level 12: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(45)
Level 16: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 18: Invincibility -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(19), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(19), S'dpty-Def(29)
Level 20: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(21), RgnTis-Regen+(21), Heal-I(31), Heal-I(31), Heal-I(33)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(45)
Level 24: Knockout Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(27), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(34)
Level 28: Rage -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(29), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(31), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(43), AdjTgt-Rchg(43)
Level 30: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(37), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(40), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 32: Resist Elements -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(37), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(36), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(36), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(36), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(37), Mocking-Rchg(46)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Erad-Dmg(39), Erad-Acc/Rchg(39), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(40), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45), GftotA-Def(48)
Level 44: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48), ImpArm-ResDam(48)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(50), S'dpty-Def(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Better starting tanks are granite and willpower, both of which do not require massive cash outlays to be strong at high level. If I could make a recommendation, it would be to shelve your invuln tank and build a willpower tank. Once you have accumulated those hundreds of millions, revive and complete your invuln tanker.

It's not you, it's the chopped up way the invuln powerset is designed. It's been thru more design permutations than most sets have, and right now it's more a collection of band-aid fixes than a real powerset, as you will discover if you go with the very nicely put together willpower set.

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I do have a willpower tank around level 30 and I think it can take more of a beating than my invul. For some reason I just have trouble holding aggro on it, something which I do fine on invulnerability and why I've focused more on Invulnerable.

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Blatant troll post is blatant.

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Illusion/Kinetic here, and i'm not so bad [censored] I dont need to SB people, I just plain old dont want to be anyones buff bot so they can flex their muscles even harder and be the teams big star. No you do not get to suck up my FS then bemoan how i'm not maximizing YOUR playing.

I simply dont care if your getting the max outta your play because i'm busy getting the max outta MINE.

The sheer entitlement is simply silly. I'm not playing the game to make your pimped out scrapper easy and fun to play, i'm certainly not playing so you can flex and say "See how awesome I am?".

I will simply have to accept I'm a horrible buffer, but then again I didnt make the Illusion/kinetic controller to be a buffer, I made it because "I" would enjoy playing it and maxing out what "I" can do with MY controls and damage.

It simply isnt my job to make your play experience more fun and easy for you any more than its yours to make my controlling and damage better by expecting you to play micromanager with YOUR powers for my explicit benifit reguardless of how much it sucks for you and your fun. PERIOD. No exceptions.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the main reason why your picked on teams isn't because of your illusion control, its because you chose kinetics.

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Villains will not be getting empathy, so don't hold your breath...

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And Heroes won't get pain dom!.....hopefully......

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I think that is very safe to say. Especially when one considers that the Devs took the time to make a "brand new" set just so they didn't have to give Empathy over to Redside.

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If I were to guess at least 1 set per AT getting proliferated it would be the following:

Blaster - Radiation Blast
Controller - Cold Domination
Defender - Thermal Radiation
Scrapper - Energy Melee
Tank- Electric Melee/Armor
Brute - Regeneration
Corruptor - Archery
Dominator - Illusion Control
Mastermind - Sonic Resonance
Stalker - Broadsword

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Blaster - Radiation Blast
Controller - Cold Domination
Defender - Thermal Radiation
Scrapper - Electric Melee/Aura
Tank- EA
Brute - Ice Armor then Regeneration
Corruptor - Archery/TA
Dominator - Illusion Control
Mastermind - Kinetics
Stalker - Fire Melee

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I forgot about kinetics. I'll give you that. Stalkers, I still think they would get broadsword before fiery melee.

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Why play a kin if you don't wanna SB people?

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To have fun?

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It's fun to play a support class and not support?

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Hell, just from this comment alone, I feel like rolling a Kin, taking SB and not use it once. I would be using all of the other powers though.

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This is why I run my own teams. I'll ask politely a few times to keep SB going. If it still doesn't happen, I blatantly tell him on team speak that I will kick him if he wont routinely SB.

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Why play a kin if you don't wanna SB people?

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To have fun?

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It's fun to play a support class and not support?

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Go make a DB/Stone Armor tank. thats something I don't think I've ever seen.

But since this is blaster forum, I'm gonna say Energy/traps.

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I wasn't aware blasters have a traps secondary.

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Villains will not be getting empathy, so don't hold your breath...

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And Heroes won't get pain dom!.....hopefully......

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I think that is very safe to say. Especially when one considers that the Devs took the time to make a "brand new" set just so they didn't have to give Empathy over to Redside.

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If I were to guess at least 1 set per AT getting proliferated it would be the following:

Blaster - Radiation Blast
Controller - Cold Domination
Defender - Thermal Radiation
Scrapper - Energy Melee
Tank- Electric Melee/Armor
Brute - Regeneration
Corruptor - Archery
Dominator - Illusion Control
Mastermind - Sonic Resonance
Stalker - Broadsword