Frosticus

Freedum redside is depressing me with how much of a ghost town it is. I'm not blaming it solely on MA changes though, several big games just dropped and school is back in session.

I think if traps went over to trollers it would quickly gain a very favorable reputation which it has struggled with for the most part. It is a great set, but is different than rad, dark, and kin so doesn't fit into the preconceived notions that many people have formed about the "buff/debuff" AT's.

Like you say, every kind of traps troller would be very strong and it would really suit their playstyle.

The problem is of course than anything short of Hami would be easily dispatched for a traps troller

Domination is pretty much consume these days for endurance management. Considering my new and old doms (that aren't perma) and many players I have talked to are primarily using it as an endurance management tool I would consider it to be clicked when necessary provided it is recharged. For this discussion at any rate.

easy math example. Base recov = 1.67 eps if we pretend domination recharges in 2 min and is clicked at that time it would equate to an additional 0.835 eps of recovery. If you improve the size of your endurance pool through accolades and/or some IO sets this number will also increase.
Powersink is a little harder to account for and we have to make assumptions about # of targets hit and slotting.

With absolutely no recharge domination is equivalent to 0.5 eps of recovery.

I can pretty much assure you that what you are interpreting as disproportionate end burn with higher recharge is cause almost solely by being able to actually use powers continuously rather than standing around doing absolutely nothing upwards of 40% of the time which is what a lot of doms with no recharge end up doing.

A low recharge dom that found a way to use powers without pause would find themselves out of endurance much faster than a high recharge dom. Conversely, a high recharge dom that stood around doing nothing as often as a low recharge dom would probably never budge on endurance because they could simply wait for the most endurance efficient attack given the situation (ie no overkill, no aoes on singles) and of course have their end management tools up more often.

What ends up happening is people rarely compare apples to apples.

There are a lot of factors that go into it, but that is the jist of the matter.

i9 hey? wonder why so many people just now realized a difference because iirc i9 was when inventions came out, so if it was active then and is the same now there would be no difference right?

Since i9, but not plaguing the system till now?

If you are using seismic smash to kill things with a sliver left because it is up so often then ya you'll burn a lot more end.

Like I said, if you go out of your way to use poor dpe attacks (that includes situationally poor dpe attacks such as massive overkill and aoe vs too few targets) then you can expect to burn a lot of endurance.

Yes High Damage = High End Burn, until you go beyond just improving the recharge value which you seem to be stuck at.

I'll gladly show some examples, but I know you will just quibble about it so why don't you post a powerset combo and state what powers it uses and I'll happily demonstrate what I'm saying.

Unless you are actually just interested in debating over nothing at all...


Almost every attack does the same DS/end, that is a large part of how powers are balanced. In the case of doms it works out to be ~10 dpe for ranged attacks and 11.2 dpe for melee after modifiers come in to play. Some attacks can stray from this, but that is not typical.

Again just state what powers you'd like me to use as an example for you, but if we make the assumption that your doms is always doing something it is unlikely that a decently built +recharge build is less endurance efficient than otherwise. This was drastically so with old domination, but still holds true.

I think what is largely skewing your perception is that without high recharge toons (doms in this case) tend to stand around doing nothing a heck of a lot more than most people realize. A lot more.

Not the brightest bulb in the pack hey?

I was not aware. That's good news. Stick a winters gift in the build too and I'll be set to plow right through slow patches.

thx.

Edit: can anyone confirm that it is only recharge protection as CoD seems to indicate or if it protects against runspeed as well?

this is my understanding of the power and supports what I've seen with the lockdown proc in it: ie it fires a heck of a lot when initially cast.

I feel like the power became considerably more powerful when I slipped in acc/rech IO's replacing the rech SO's I had initially put in. Enhancing the hold had a good results in making the initial hold last longer, but didn't seem to be nearly as good as say enhancing the hold of volcanic gases for the pulsing hold. But of course looking at the percentage chances for PT makes that pretty understandable.

My plant/kin troller that "deceives" everything in sight all the time disagrees with your assessment of reward deprivation and encourages you to do some research on how confuse actually works.

In short, confuse is so good that if it was more common it would probably be nerfed.

Depends at what frequency you are able to refill.

For instance perma dom is considerably more endurance friendly than 1% off of perma dom just by nature of having to refill the entire bar again even though domination is recharged and ready to go a sec or two later than that of a perma dom.

There is also no rule stating that a perma dom can't slot for end reduction as most sets that provide global recharge also reduce endurance cost. Yes a different build could franken-slot more end reduction in, but I'm not sure they would necessarily push it above 60%+ end reduction slotting which is what you get with 5 pieces of decimation/crushing impact + 1 piece from anther set to fill it out. Additionally many of the sets that improve recharge also improve recovery or boost max end.

IME people frankenslotting often push for more recharge enhancement within the power because they don't have it globally in the build, but people spending time on their build recognize the desire to have attacks/powers cycling more often and with less gaps. At any rate frankenslotters aren't that different in their goal, both aim for tighter more seamless power activation and once you remove any sizable gaps your end burn scope really starts to narrow into a set range.

So unless you deliberately go about using a horrible DPE attack(s) as often as possible once you have more recharge having domination come up more often pretty much always increases the amount of available endurance more than it burns. Which really, it makes little sense to use poor dpe powers once you have high recharge because your other powers will be up much sooner. ie a low recharge dom might end up using an aoe attack in their st chain, but a high recharge one would rarely run into that necessity. The recharge also makes other end management tools such as DP, consume, or powersink up more often, which also increases end beyond what you are burning.

I won't pretend that a high recharge dom is more end friendly than a low recharge dom that sits around doing nothing, but they aren't even in the same category of powerfulness so comparing them beyond stating they might belong to the same AT is pretty pointless.

Edit: OP doms went from being perhaps the most endurance friendly non-MM in the game to being not so endurance friendly. Psy assault specifically underwent the largest swing. If you couldn't feel a difference I'd be worried, which has made me question the validity of some posters comments inthe past. Basically your best option without spending huge inf to get domination and DP cycling more often is to pick up powersink. Or start ditching powers like hotfeet or drastically slow down your gameplay. I'd personally go for powersink.

Get used to it. traps > AV's.

Or wait for FM stalkers with BLAZE!

I ended up getting rid of my em stalker after the ET change, and I enjoyed my clawlz stalker mostly because of focus, but never really got into /wp that much and ended up deleting it.

lack of ranged attacks causing me to run after things is probably why my collection of toons is about 85% ranged AT's

It would appear that shockwave is more on par with strike for st damage, but is of course a nice cone.

I'd say as an all-rounder this build would probably go the distance.

You're probably right, I trialed WoW a long time ago and didn't remember it being bad at all, the only thing I recall was the gold limit. Just as when I first trialed this game in ~'05 it was great. The trial I ran of this game a few months back would have never inspired me to actually buy it, perhaps WoW's would be just as bad for me now.

At any rate, I feel bad for people trialing this game now.

that would be pretty funny. Dunno if it would work or not and I haven't purchased any of the MT's, but ya.