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That's wishful thinking. There will be more stupid AE xploits for as long as there is AE. Then there would be stupid farm exploits.

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And yay for I19

Justice has a pretty dedicated bunch of aussies in #australia and #antipodes that have something running regularily just about every night. They do a lot of taskforces and organised teams. Check the Oceania forum section.

Virtue/Freedom still has more population at that time (aussie peak times in early morning US times) but is more adhoc.

Agree - thanks, I'll just be on test till then

Why resub just for Alpha strike when you havent even been told that it would be ready? Can't blame NCsoft for what they havent said....

So when I showed that your earlier rude post to be factually untrue, rather than having the integrity to admit it, you nit pick on one word from my post that was directed at someone else, and leave while making another insulting comment.

That’s a new standard of fail even for these forums. *clap*

I agree that NCSoft can't include information for the future.
But we are talking a couple of months, not twelve. I'd also be really surprised to find out that marketing didn't plan 12 months ahead but only NCSoft really would when they knew of the upcoming preorder offer.
They certainly left that text there right up to the minute before they offered the preorder deal, ie they knew about the preorder deal and left the deceptive no incentives there.

If they offered the complete collection for half price, or the IO Bling in 6 months I don’t think I'd have any issue with it.

I'm really glad to see someone say that 'buying option that didn't exist at the time' as half the posts insulting me are claiming all the options were there to start with.

To be honest I really don’t understand all your stuff in small print other than a long way of saying stuff changes. But I don’t really think your example is similar.

I've tried to avoid examples as they don't compare well but if McDonalds offered free cheese on their burgers with no timeframe or conditions in their adverts and you went there later that same afternoon and they said the offer was only good for while during the 30 seconds that advert was running on TV, I'm sure people would call that deceptive, even though that advert was just making a statement about the present.

It’s clear to me that my use of the word deceptive hits people’s emotional triggers. But I don't know a better word for explaining what I feel occurred. Deceptive is a lesser phrase to me than false advertising/bait switch and other stronger phrases I don't think are the case.
The opposite of straight forward is deceptive & I don't feel NCSoft managed the prepurchase/preorder in a straight forward way, and you’re right in saying there probably is no remedy for that, but that doesn’t mean NCSoft shouldn't be aware of how some (other people posted in the discussion thread who thought similarly to me) of their customer base may interpret their action.

edit: and this is really begining to feel too much of a threadjack from an otherwise interesting thread. I shouldnt of said anything to start with, its all been said inthe offical discussion thread anyhow.

A Rant? You call one sentence a rant? You know, just because someone disagrees with you, doesnt make it a rant. Though really I think you call it a rant as that makes it easy for you to avoid facts.

But as your post agrees, the facts are
1) NCSoft said "Nor are there any benefits for preording"
2) NCSoft offered incentives for preordering. (the special IOs plus gamer bling)

I think I can see where the deception is.

I have no idea why you would put screen shots of FAQs for after NCSoft changed the incentives excepts its smoke and mirrors to avoid facing the facts - much like calling my post a rant.

Thats just rubbish, and an example of people who would rather insult in passive/aggressive manner than discuss.
Wanting Paragon to describe the purchasing options and not change than months after people spend thier money is so not the same as your fantasy of having them come to house to explain.
Clearly you have no facts to support your case, or you wouldnt need to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule


They annoucend what you could get with your type of order for the game. Months later they changed that. Really I dont get how people dont understand that. Or post that that wasn't true.



Not the benefits of costumes and aura, that was upfront as I wish it all the purchase options were. But getting special IO procs was not mentioned until months afterwards.

Those options were not laid out side by side. How can you say that they were with a straight face?

I'm amazed that you had those options of preordering to gain special IOs plus bling when you were making your purchasing choice. It wasn't there when I was making my desicon.Did you time travel or just pretend you had the facts from the start?


Sooooo dont agree with me, must be slow in the head.
Still its not like you actually had a point or fact to offer. Insults are easier than demostarting if you are right, especially when the facts show you are not.



Again with insults over facts.

So, you really can say that on the day it came out people were debating whether to prepurchase to get early access to ATs or to wait and preorder and get the special IO's.

No wait - your options didnt even include all the options that anyone who can read simple English understands. Does that mean you dont understand simple English?

You clearly laid out options missed that choice 3, that there would be incentives for preordering. The Special IO's. No surprise you miss out the information.



More rubbish. A straw horse, that confirms to me you are more interested in belittling people than understanding what they are saying.
I also never said it was confusing - it must be easier to 'win points' when you put words into my mouth.

I'm not complaining about the free month or auras and what not. And never have complained about that. The difference between the complete edition and the prepurchase was clear.

Its not buyers remorse - lol - it's not having all the information presented.


Anyhow, if one sentence got me dogplied this much I'm dreading the follow up. I think I'll just ignore the posts with fingers in thier ears shouting "me so right - you so silly head' from now. So if I dont bother to reply to you, dont take it as how wonderful your debating skills were, and how well yor insults shut me up, but rather, you're not worth the time to reply to.


Afterall, this has been bounced around in the discussion thread for it months ago.

In short, the fact that the phrase Nor are there any incentives for preording it means no incentives for preordering.

This got changed.

This, most people in my experience would call deceptive.

Its not brain science, and it seems all people who claim otherwise can only present do is use insults and call fact rants, or post in total disacoiation to reallty claiming all the information was there from day one!

I dont understand how people within one post can say 'it was all clearly laid out' and in the same post then talk about how the gamestop was annoucned afterwards.

rule of thumb; the more formatting je saist uses the more chance there is they are wrong and lost in thier own world view rant mode. And if they dissappear from the thread, its even more likely.

But yes for three months there were no incentives for preordering over prepurchase, then then that changed. And a lot of people did make thier purchasing decision long before Gamestop/Razer ever entered the picture, on reading that thre was no incentives to preorder. Before there was.

Or the people who didn't think they would use intentional deceptive language in thier advertising it wasn't a clear cut case of being able to read it was a case of being able to read lawyer talk as it was something like 'there are no incentives to prepurchase ' and then they added the prepurchase bonuses.

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Thats not really true that most aussies play on justice, but the australia channel is so justice focused but the ones who play on other servers give up on it. the Australia channel is less a global one than a justice chat channel imo, and they tend to be pretty derogative about people on other servers (freedumb is always the server of aebabies and spammers, virtue is said to be hawt ERP in the tutorial zone and beyound, and the others are all lolpopulation, you can find teams there?).

There is not real stats so anyone saying that there is more aussies on justice, really people saying that tend to be getting thier info from who is on the australia channel. I've meet many many aussies on virtue, but i dont really care where people are from, just like lots around for teamage.

The amount of people playing is nearly always higher on freedon/virtue than justice even during peak aussie times. Much more pick up group/task activity.

The channel regulars on the Australia/Antipodes will have near constant teaming and task/strike forces on during aussie peak times, and are really friendly for most part (except about other servers ).

I loved that mission the first few times I did it. Now I am getting an enduring and lasting haterd of it from repetition. I need to grind my teeth as I repeat it yet again, clicking as fast as i can through the long now tedious speechs broken up by sentence. Any joy is getting sucked out as i wish there was more than one villian moralty mission.

I'm glad you still enjoy it though

My fav is the villian double mission

I bet both 1 and 2.

I figured it was the European Support mod posting as they are the one awake. It doesnt say anything about which server base it effects.

And I want my game too ): Its getting tooo late here to stay up

That sounds like a passive/aggressive way of threatening people against reporting whatthey think are voliations of ToS. All those ifs, maybes, and perhaps about even if you didnt use swear words yourself the mods will still ban you etc.
It also shows a lot of ignorance on how the GMs work in this game in my experience.

I do doubt anyone would get banned for a few misplaced swearwords. Or for submiting whatthey think is a terms of service breach.

Repeated offenses/reports about your language, or directed personal/racial/sexist attacks would be different - RP or not. Like you've not allowed many names that are downright offensive (and no i dont mean the farter ) even if your concept of a villian is that they would use racial/sexist name x.

And as said, its really only going to be a problem in broadcast or global channels, so may want to double check which channel your are sending to if you are swearing up a sentence.

Smeghead being based on smegma is more urban legend than fact, or at least the red dwarf writers claim they didnt intend that meaning and got it from a kitchen appliance.

I wouldnt say bumbler, but after seeing how shield charge got relooked at after the thread that pointed out to castle that is was overpowered inidcates to be that dev's arent all knowing and forum posts can show them factors to look at.

Your choices are better than those in the rest of the world though.Its a small thing, but at least you can get the box and special IOs.

a chance for a 30 day jetpack not worth the time to sign up and be added to thier database.

I guess you could email the playernote