Da_Captain

Seems like we might be getting more slots.

How is it a different story? Scraps and Brutes have the same res and defense values, you have to invest about the same amount in both to get almost the same suvivability while Brutes get a minor Hp increase over scrappers, they do have a higher hp cap, but as said by others, not many outside buffs from other ATs increase HP.

For all around PvE, includes AVs and the minor tohit debuff isn't going to do much. I am a bit partial to MA, I love it, but now with the increase Crits that it can crank out, it is definitely a beast to be reckoned with. Eagle's Claw --> Dragon's Tail, will kill lots, and if you go shield AAO is going to make that a lot better. The better AoE will help you go through mobs and the better accuracy will help you a lot higher level enemies. However the heal with Dark is a great survivability tool, even better when combined with Softcapped defense.

Any word on if rares and very rares are coming in i19? It would be nice.

It is? It uses roughly about the same amount of end as Hover. Now the regular Maneuvers from the power pool uses double that amount, but TT:M is not an end hog by far.

That's pretty bad luck, I average about 1 purple every 8 mishes on -1/x8 (The same council mish, just never click the glowie), Sometimes I will get 2 after 10 mishes, or one after 6, but if I want one I go to that toon and before the end of the day I will have one or two, to go 500 mishes on a /x8 setting that is pretty bad.

Actually Arachnos Widow and Arachnos Soldier are two different ATs, Yeah they are both Epic meaning they both have an extra storyline, but AT wise they are different. So I stand by my earlier statement, its like trying to compare a controller to a defender, or apple to an orange.

That is a pointless argument that can be said to make any AT look horrid
Blasters have better ranged damage than Scrappers and Tanks have better resistances than Scrappers does that mean Scrappers suck?

You can't use the strengths of two different ATs and compare it to another, that's why there are different ATs. If you are going to compare Widows and Banes leave it at that, don't bring in a Crab, because yeah a Crab is stronger in certain areas like Pets and resistance, but they have very low melee damage compared to Banes. I wouldn't even say Crabs are stronger in AoE because, if you wanted to you could go Build Up --> Venom Grenade --> Heavy Burst --> Frag Grenade --> Mace Beam Volley --> Mace Beam Blast, Just saying that if someone wanted to they could probably make a pretty nice ranged beast with Wolf and Bane Powers and keep even bosses at bay with access to 2 AoE Immo. With that being said, I don't think Crabs are AoE kings, because as most have mentioned pets are very fragile, and the Bane branch has access to more AoEs.



Banes do more overall damage melee and range, ST and AoE. That's like trying to compare a Defender to a Controller and not include the pets.


I sure did, apologies, it is one of, if not the best passive in the game.

You missed the whole point, still trying to compare a Bane to a Widow. They are just about better at everything?

So Widows can summon more pets? Widows get better resistances? Widows get more HP? Widow can do more -res? The only thing Widows have over Banes are independent Damage and Defense.

I have played them both to a comfortable IOed 50 and I have to say just in a personal opinion that Banes are so much more fun to play with, Widows are boring and they use up a lot of end, even my scrappers don't use as much as my Widow. Yeah, when it comes down to doing something like +4/x8 missions, I would agree a Widow is much better suited for that type of combat than a Bane, but my Bane Solos AVs a lot easier than my Widow does, I mean the Pets add so much damage, definitely after debuffing the AV down to -60% resistance. As for the pets, Mine are pretty sturdy, I put both pet resistance and defense uniques in them and still have them High Acc, High Damage, and Capped recharge, and the pets are just 5 secs shy of being perma.

So I will give Widows better defense, but when it comes down to damage Banes will always have 2 more sources (at minimum) than Widows do, and considering the amount of debuffs they lay down, they make their own damage higher along with the pets making them a more useful tool.

P.S. IOs go both way, Widows need it for perma Mind Link, Banes need it for Pets, while one is easier than the other, if you are going to include it for one you must include for both, without perma Mind Link Widows fall a long way shy of reaching a Banes defense as Banes have higher Defense in TT:M and Higher unsuppressed defense in Cloaking Device.

I believe Cloaking device keeps 3.75% and Mask Presense only keeps 2.5%, So in a Base SO build Banes would have an upper hand in resistances and defenses.

And Jibikao, by saying this...
You have proved how much better a Bane is than a Crab, because as we all know pets are a big part of this AoE damage that they have. (I find it real funny that people are quick to use pets to include in Crabs AoE damage, Yet do not want to use them in a Banes damage output)

Thanks for that link, I knew I wasn't the only one to notice it, or the first for that matter, guess my search fu is weak, thanks again.

Well put, like I say in most Bane vs Widow Comparisons, they really shouldn't be compared to each other, as they do have some similarities they are overall different.

Make a crab.

About the ranged Bane attacks...use at your own risk, I know they are there for concept purposes, they probably have their uses...I just haven't found them. This statement does not include Poison Ray, that is awesome.

As for the Mace version of WAWG, there is Web Envelope from the Patron power pool that shoots it from the Mace, I already think there is enough copies of powers I don't think we need another.

I think the HP is unenhancable for good reason, Banes have a perma HP increase of what Serum is at base and with just SOs (which is what the game is balanced around) there is a still a minute downtime, so being able to enhance it kinda makes it equal to Banes having it perma. I think if they were going to balance it to where Banes could add health enhancements to increase hp, I think they would lower the amount of HP that is given, therefore, really nerfing it because my Bane is already starving for slots.

Some good ideas that were mentioned...

Whirling Mace, Honestly Mace Beam and Mace Beam Blast need to be taken out of the powerset and they need to be replaced with This power and a Mace version of Venom Grenade (Taking this would lock you out of the Wolf version) and Whirling Mace.

Really nothing even needs to be done, Banes are far superior than people give them credit for, so to me a lot of people hating them or thinking they are the bottom of the barrel doesn't bother me, because overall this means of all the VEATs they are going to be at the bottom of the list when it comes time to nerf.

It just doesn't feel like enough time to get off another attack, I feel most times I don't even get the benefit of the extra crit bonus.

Heres how it goes, I use Eagles Claw, I guess the Icon that shows is telling me that the crit bonus is active, it seems to go off a little after the power is activated leaving like half a second to use your next attack and sometimes even if the power is queued doesn't seem to go off in time. Maybe the time should be increased to like 4 or 5 seconds, at least put it in test but I don't think that would be game breaking, if anything it would give you more time to at least get off an attack and feel comfortable that you are getting the bonus.

Does anyone feel the same or differently?

Really. You should get Dragon's Tail it actually does comparable damage to the other PBAoEs

At level 50

Dragon Tail - 81.2
Typhoon's Edge - 78.5
Whirling Sword - 87.5
Burst - 86
Soul Drain - 68
Note: Soul Drain is considered Dark Melee's build up, so with DM you wouldn't get a lot of AoE damage

Also doesn't Eagle's Claw add to criticals now, so if you use that before Dragon Tail, then Dragon Tail should do some great damage.

That's great comparing a SS brute to a MA scrap, seeing how SS has rage and not build up I am not even going to take that comment seriously.

You need to learn some fundamentals before you talk bad about a set or an AT.

You should learn how to play, Build up --> Aim --> Fireball and Fire Breath would have killed the sapper and then by an off chance you did get held a Fire blast could have killed the Gunslinger.

I mean seriously, I used to be in the "Blasters are the worst" crowd, then I L2P. My first 50 was a Fire/Fire and it took me the first five issues to get him there, but anyway with just SOs he is a beast. The thing about blasters you have to cater to them a bit more than other ATs. I used to think that you needed mitigation to be successful and I was going to delete him then I realized how powerful Fireball, Fire breath and FSC were together with Hot Feet ticking off. Each Blaster is built differently so you learn to play with their strengths.

Yeah, if you don't know how to play...if you don't know how to play every AT has everyone's kyrptonite. I see people say VEATs suck, yet they did not take the time to choose TT:M. Some people say Doms suck, yet they did not take their ST hold but instead opted for the ST immob and the AoE immob.

Most blaster sets have forms of mitigation, the only set that doesn't is Fire but that set kills masses quickly.

There is a lot of hypocritical comments made by people. Saying that Blasters are below par because other ATs can do +2/x8 easily, and how the game isn't built around IOs, well most non IO'ed Scraps and Brutes will have trouble with higher levels of difficulty. There is nothing wrong with Blasters. And yes while the game isn't build around IOs, it is built around Insperation, I suggest you try using them if you are having trouble.

I am able to get easy and quick merits from Hami Runs, usually can get two in, sometimes 3 every other day. So far, I seem to average about 3 hours a day (hour per toon, which is about usual overall playtime I get in anyway) So that is about 21 hours a week. I spent longer trying to get a set of purples or even longer trying to get one PvP drop So I will take my chances with H/V Merits, seems like my way to go.

I know everything isn't for eveything isn't for everyone, some people do things in their own way, I am just glad this game is giving the players more options.

If it takes 30 hours to get the PvP IO that I want, then to me that is better than spending over 2 billion or spending 30 hours in a PvP zone hoping I can get a drop.

To eaches own

Edit: I don't plan on going forever with 3 toons, just the first month so I can get the PvP IOs for my toon that I have longed for after that, I will probably just run my main the most and alt every now and again.

Looking at the question they asked, to me it only seemed like they thought these merits could only be bought with 20 mil and 50 merits, just what I got from the question.

Pretty sure that is what I will be doing, buy one a day, and earn one every other day, that is 3 merits every 2 days, I plan on doing it with multiple toons too so getting what I want should come quick.

also

Does this mean any mob in a PvP zone, or is it still just off of other players, if it is just other players, I would advertise it like that, it is hard getting a group of people together that would willingly let you beat them up, might help you sell faster.

To Clarify...

You don't have to be a hero just to get APPs, all ATs will have APPs upon reaching 41 That is Villain and Hero, Vigs and Rogues, however, in order to get PPPs you have to complete a PPP arc.

So if you wanted your Dom to stay a villain, once they hit 41 and go to the Arbiter, you will be able to choose from an Epic Power Pool