Cyber_naut

Yeah, I was concerned about this type of reaction to some complaining that defense was 'overpowered'. The response appears to be, 'well, we'll just take all that defense you worked for, (or in other cases, the only, or primary, value of one of your power sets) and make it completely irrelevant'. Horrible, pitiful, stupid design move.

Agreed. I spent 3 hours, most of it just trying to get a team going, as people would quit after one formed, trying to complete one of the new trials. Did two lambdas, and had 2 fails. At times my brute felt like a level ten blaster. And fighting the same enemies as the last 2 task forces is getting old already. Logged on again at night, and couldn't even get a run going to try again. Pretty disappointed in this issue so far.

Yes, it really is that bad. As mentioned in the thread, you pay about a 200% regen penalty (I'm not certain as to the accuracy of that number, but having played a few em toons, I do know for a fact it does a decent amount of self damage every time you use it...) to do single target damage that is on par with many other sets that suffer no penalty at all, and more importantly, em is one of the more pitiful aoe sets.

The better attacks animate very slowly, which means on teams, you'll be wasting them on corpses. But as an added bonus, when you smack a corpse with ET, you still at least get to do damage to self...

Is it unplayable? Of course not. But it underperforms against pretty much every set in almost every category.

It's a scrapper playstyle. It's what scrappers do. If killing the most stuff you can as fast as possible isn't the scrapper playstyle, what is it then...

Dark Melee adds a unique survivability edge with siphon life, and it's build up power is much easier to use than KM's.

And I did not say that aoe or 'killing as much as possible, as fast as possible' is a 'requirement'. But if you are concerned about performance, and performance being killing as much as possible, as fast as possible (which I would say would be something the average scrapper would be aiming for since scrappers are killing machines, not healers, buffers, debuffers, resters, etc... and it's a playstyle that leads to faster leveling and more drops.), then you want as much aoe as possible. And you want a build up power that doesn't take a while to become effective, because by the time it becomes effective, most of your targets are already dead, especially if you are on a team with other baddie bashers.

If you don't play the game for performance, than any powerchoices can work for you. But if you play the game for performance, then clearly some sets and some powers are better than others. And imo, km/sd is not on par with combos like fire/sd, elec/sd and dm/sd. If you disagree, that's fine, but then I wonder what performance rating you are using to claim that km/sd is on par with these other sets. As I've stated in my other post, the only instance where I could see km/sd being on par with these other sets is in terms of wailing on a bag of hp over a long period of time, like pylons, where km can utilize its time consuming build up power, because in actual in game instances, especially on teams, that build up power is far more difficult to leverage.

This. Power Siphon looks great on paper but is not nearly as effective in game. In my experience, when you're on a team, it can be pretty frustrating. By the time you build up your power siphon with your single target attacks, most of the mob is dead from your teamates who are hitting build up and their aoes as the battle begins, making your power siphoned aoe attack kinda pointless. And often, by the time you get to the next group, some of your stacked PS is gone.

Some people love KM and thats great, and its wonderful when you're just wailing on a bag of hitpoints like a pylon, but if you want the uber SD combos, there is a reason most will list fire and electric as the top two combos, in terms of aoe carnage. Most of the game is about killing as much as possible as fast as possible, which means the name of the game is aoe, and KM is not very strong in that regard.

I was a huge byrne fan as a kid, I vote for everything and anything he did. Loved that issue when he killed off guardian as his wife is walking in...

and "we're just too pig-headed to admit the pvp revamp was a massive failure and simply revert the changes, so we'll leave it in its current condition - dead".

The difference between the two arguments is this:

You want it your way - everyone has to team to get the new incarnate abilities, and if you don't like it, leave.

The other side wants a solo option, but is fine with there also being a team option for those that enjoy that kind of playstyle, the same exact way the initial part of the alpha slot worked with shards.

If you can't see who is being more unreasonable here, it could be because you're too close to the problem to see it. And this is coming from someone who almost never solos, and if there was no teaming in this game, I'd have left a long time ago.

I sure hope the devs aren't of the mindset of telling the soloers in this game 'maybe its time you found a new game'.

It would be better, smarter, and pretty damn easy, to provide a solo route for incarnate abilities, as they are released, to keep players like the guy you quoted. I'm glad you like the task force route, but just telling the solo players who want to be able to get the incarnate abilities to basically get lost is ridiculous.

They said it would be 'a few short weeks' on January 10th when that new dev made a post, so that date would match what they claimed. If they hit that, then good job devs.

This. Either of these sets will up your aoe abilities big time. Plus, I believe one of the incarnate levels will be offering a new aoe attack.

I agree that ITF's and large groups of cim's create serious problems for wp toons, moreso than SD's, but SD isn't surviving indefinitely in a mob of cim's without a heal of some kind either.

I also prefer SD, because being a scrapper lover, I enjoy offense and killing things, and SD is clearly superior in what it brings to that table. But for pure survivability based on the powerset alone, I would still argue that wp edges sd by a bit from start to finish, all things being equal. But the argument that once fully io'd, both sets are virtually unkillable except in extreme situations, so why not take the set that is clearly superior offensively, is certainly valid, but then you might want to consider the recent trend of the newer high level content containing more than average defense busting enemies, which makes sd's survivability drop faster than wp's.

I quoted the post where you supplied a DM/SD build...