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Your imagination, most likely. The difficulty was not changed, to my knowledge.

All carnies will drain some endurance in a PBAoE effect when they die. You may be noticing that more than you used to.

Also, Ice/ pairs well with Dark Melee.

Hey all,

I want to make a new character, after a particularly tough AV fight the other day, that focuses on Debuffing. As such, I wanted to try my hand at Traps, and have concluded that I want it to be a Corruptor, since I want to blast with it as well, and be able to do some decent damage + scourge.

In that vein, looking through the sets, I think I want to pair it with an elemental set, such as Fire, Ice, or Electric. I figure that Fire/ goes well with it, pairing the AoE debuffs with large amounts of AoE damage, and Ice would be somewhere within the same range, but I was wondering how Elec/ would go with it. Looking over the Traps set, -end and -recovery seem to be the only things it's really lacking, and Elec/ would provide that. However, it doesn't get a strong third blast, so that might be a bit problematic.

Just wanted to see what people's opinions are on these three sets, and how they pair with Traps.

Thanks!

/unsigned. These AT ideas seem ridiculously broken and unplayable.

I don't think there's ever been official word on if Tankers will ever get it or not. My guess is that /BA is too close to what /BS would be without Parry.

Awesome post. And /signed.

ET needed a slightly higher activation time, but they way overcompensated. Having two powers in the set with 3+ second activation times is pretty bad. Energy Melee should be the single-target damage king, which it isn't anymore thanks to the animation times. Fix those, and the set is fine.

Well, I was going to suggest /stone, but that one's out.

My first 50 was an Ice/Ice, back in the day. It's a good, thematic combo that will suit your goals well. The mitigation combination of the two sets works well together, and will keep you standing through a lot of punishment. Yes, you will be lower on damage than some other secondaries, but your aggro management will be top notch. With inherent Stamina now, I'd say that the only power that you might want to skip is Greater Ice Sword. It's DPA is pretty bad, and you likely won't need it anyways. Even permafrost is good because it doesn't need any additional slots, and the base slot is a great place for a +Def IO.


However, let's go through the rest of the secondaries, just in case:

Axe/Mace: These two sets will play kind of similarly, with Axe being all KD, and Mace being a combo of Stuns and KD. Decent mitigation and damage options, and fairly easy to make work from a thematic point of view (i.e., a barbarian from the northern climes).

Dark Melee: A good combo with Ice Armor, especially before you can get to the softcap through IO useage. The -ToHit from Dark Melee "stacks" with your Defense to make you even harder to hit. A little light on the AoE damage front, but you'll get two End recovery tools, two heals, and great single-target (ST) damage.

Dual Blades: An Icicle-wielding monster. With inherent Stamina, I think that Dual Blades is looking better for Tankers. Before, it was tough to fit in all of the survival powers that you'd want, and get all of the DB combos that are good. Now, you can take more of the attacks, and single-slot those that you won't be using often. The additional mitigation will come through the combos, so if that's not what you're looking for, then I'd vote against this. If you don't mind it, this might not be a bad combo.

Electrical Melee: Somewhat unreliable mitigation at the beginning, but it gets much better towards the high-end game. Decent AoE and ST damage, and you get a Teleport attack.

Energy Melee: Well, it's Energy Melee. Former king of ST damage. Weak in the AoE department, the two big hitters in this set for ST damage animate very slowly, so you might be annoyed on teams where your target is down before you even hit them. The first attack isn't actually the fastest-recharging, which is odd for Tanker secondaries, so you might be annoyed by that, too. Up to you, but I think I'd stay away from it.

Fiery Melee: Great on damage, weak on mitigation. Well, except that dead enemies don't attack. Great AoE damage, Great ST damage. You just might feel a little weaker defensively than with other sets, so that would be your tradeoff. Still, a great soloing pair, and still very good on teams.

Kinetic Melee: The most recent set, so I'm sure you've heard about it. The -Damage from your attacks will stack with Chilling Embrace, which should help a lot, especially at low levels and against AVs. The +Damage from Power Siphon will boost Icicles, which is quite nice. And there's a decent amount of mitigation in the secondary from stuns and KD, too. Not a bad pairing, but to be honest, I've never seen this combo in the game (though to be more honest, I rarely see Ice Tankers in the game).

Super Strength: A more common combo than most others, at least from looking at the forums, though I think that is due to the popularity of /SS in general. Rage helps boost Icicles, and the other mitigation and damage tools are great at most stages of the game. You'll feel a bit weak offensively before you get Rage, but that's common with /SS. The only downside is the -Def that comes from a Rage crash, which hurts Ice Armor a bit more than with Resistance-based armor sets, but if you keep a keen eye out, you should be able to avoid that.



Hope this helps!

I agree with Dechs. I know that on mine, solo I felt weak, but definitely playable, but on a team, I was basically just along for the ride a lot of the time. Granted, I could do some pretty cool things, but I wasn't needed as a Tank usually, wasn't needed as a Blaster, wasn't needed as a Scrapper, and wasn't needed for my controls/heals. As such, everything I did was pretty much superfluous to the team. I could switch roles when needed, but most of the time the teams would have been better off with another of any other AT than with me.

Granted, I was pure human form, which limited me a bit more than most, and gave me my own set of challenges (yay! my PBAoE causes massive scatter! Now I get to go chase everything before I can hit them again!), but on teams, I just felt like the constant little brother.

Also, if you can't benefit as much from +Damage and +ToHit buffs from invention sets, build for something else. It's not like +Damage and +ToHit are the only useful set bonuses out there.

PFF is indeed the self bubble that turns you into bubble-boy. You can't attack, but are very hard to hit, as well.

Temp Invuln is a glowy aura around your whole body. You can easily see what it looks like before you get it on your character by making an Invuln character in the character creator, and seeing what it looks like there.

I want to say that the orange inspirations were in I5, as kind of a way to placate people who had just been hit with the global defense nerf (GDN). But I may be mistaken on that.


Edit -> And can I also say, that upon seeing the thread title, I jumped a bit for joy, and thought to myself, "Oh, I'll know this!" Not only did I admit to myself that I'm old, but I actually enjoyed it.

Sigh.