AlienOne

Truthfully? They really don't. The whole reason I made 2 lvl 50 Warshades was to test this out. Both warshades have the same exact build setup, except for the *minor* detail that one uses 4 purple sets, while the other doesn't use a single purple. The performances of both Warshades are so frightningly similar that it made me a little sick to my stomache that I paid as much as I did to purple out both builds on VestigeOne. Seriously, it made me sick.

lol, ok, I might go ahead and post something like that to see what sort of responses I really get over there.

Because one person's "best possible build" is entirely subjective, that's why. I seem to remember this exact sort of discussion I had with someone a while back in the Kheldian forums with someone who "couldn't imagine" why someone wouldn't choose Gravitic Emination in their WS build. I explained exactly why I chose not to, and why it benefitted my strategy and gameplay to make that decision. Someone who thought that taking that power is totally necessary for the "ultimate" build would be completely and absolutely wrong in my opinion.

From what I can tell, that happens already... There are several threads out there where people have asked for help, everyone responded with "what's your playstyle?" and when the person answered, several people posted great builds and reasons why those builds would benefit that person. Not all of them may have posted "numbers" (I don't see how being a math whiz should be a requirement for everyone wanting to participate in making a good build), but all of them posted great builds.

I guess there we'll have to agree to disagree. You may say there's only "one way of doing something" with, say, a Claws/Regen scrapper, but I can't fathom how you'd even attempt making a comment like that in the Kheld forums. Because there ISN'T only one way of doing anything with a Kheld. The versatility of Khelds completely defies that statement. But, to each his own, I suppose. To me, saying "tri-form is better than human-only" (or vice versa) is like saying "choosing the Fortunata path is way better than choosing the Widow path." It's entirely subjective.

And, I'm sure there are dozens of people (maybe more) in this Kheld section who can already show how powerful a Kheld can be. I'm guessing LordXenite and Memphis_Bill might be included in that number.

Wait, we don't do that already? Of course there are great builds out there! I've seen plenty posted here by people... They're definitely builds that I wouldn't implement on MY Khelds, mind you, but I can certainly admit to a good build when I see one...

I wouldn't hold anything against you, but I'm also the sort of person who has spent hours and hours and hours and hours (totally uncountable) in Mid's already analyzing every set and looking at the totals and trying to build the most effective build for my personal playstyle choice. So, if someone suggested a different power for "more effectiveness," I would just laugh, because I already know that power doesn't fit into my playstyle. Again, we're trying to compare effectiveness to playstyles here. What seems to be misunderstood here is that 2 different playstyles can be JUST as effective as the other, and both might have 2 different builds or strategies at going about a situation.

For example, one warshade may prefer tri-form soloing...

A tri-form soloer in action

Now, yes, you can post a tri-form build to tell that person "this is the most effective way you can tolo in tri-form, and you can *say* it's "the best build ever" for a Warshade... But, again, you're telling them to use specific powers in their playstyle... Which, again, impacts their personal playstyle.

What if someone prefers to solo as human-only, and doesn't like the shape-shifting powers? Are you going to tell him that he can't make one of the "best ws builds ever" because of this? I cerainly won't. Why? Because they're both just as effective.

A human-only soloer in action

I guarantee my build and that aforementioned person's build are quite different. But, I bet you that person wouldn't enjoy my playstyle as much as he/she does his own, as I already know I wouldn't enjoy their playstyle as much as I love my own. The point being, there isn't JUST ONE "best" build for a PB/WS. There's probably about 10 or more.

"The One"

haha, no... Actually I had just rolled a 4th Kheld (my 2nd Peacebringer) not too long ago... She's still a low lvl though...

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Originally Posted by LordXenite Actually, I can't imagine doing that myself because I'm not as focused on builds but rather on strategy and gameplay. What you describe though is exactly what I hated about WoW and feared would happen in CoX once the Invention system came to be: Gear makes people stationary and not want to play and do anything that involves making new characters.

Me? Afraid of making new characters? I've got at least 44 I've rolled! Haha! I'm the definition of an alt-aholic! :P That said, all characters I've rolled have been on Freedom... Not necessarily because the gear there makes me stationary, but because of the amount of life-long friends I've made over there (in game and in r/l) as well as the difficulty of earning a lot prestige by yourself for a SG (I prefer to run my own SG).

Now THAT I would be totally open for! I'll copy toons to test all day long.... Yeah, let's see if we can't get something like that started up, shall we?

"The One"

I'd love to be involved in one of your all-Kheld TFs, but alas, all 3 of my Khelds are on Freedom... Because I've spent well over 6 billion on builds (both builds on all 3 for a total of 6 builds) and several hundred play hours between the 3 of them, I don't really have much motivation to roll another on a different server, as you can imagine...

Now, if the Devs came up with a way to do a "mass" transfer of all toons plus your supergroup and prestige to another server, I'd take advantage of that in a heartbeat.

"The One"

Dude, LOL. That's great! I'm lovin' these posts! Keep 'em coming! Also, how did you get the forums to post a thumbnail-sized pic of the picture you posted? I'd like to do that with my large pics if I could...


Hey, LordXenite, your triform pic is not showing up for me... Anyone else having problems viewing Lord's pic, or is it just my pc?

"The One"

There are a TOOOON more challenges out there for Khelds than just mez protection. Actually, I don't even consider mezzing a "challenge." All you have to do is hit a break free. There's no challenge to that. Now, mezzing aside, the TRUE challenge is really switching forms... Say your eclipse drops while you're fighting a large mob in Nova form, and you want to get your eclipse back up. Switching to human form, dropping into the middle of the group, getting an eclipse off (and maybe a stygian circle, depending on the circumstances) and changing back to nova without being killed is certainly a challenge, especially on invincible. Being mezzed? Meh. It's either hit a break free and keep fighting, or just sit there and wait to be killed while you're mezzed. Not much of a challenge. I'd actually say that's more of a frustration than an actual "challenge."

To each his own, I guess. I'd prefer to have mez protection myself, so I could apply my time to actual challenges, like setting up a "how long will he survive?" situation for my WS with constant ambushes (while solo)....Or, maybe an all-Kheld task force...Or, soloing an AV... You know, REAL challenges. Being mezzed a challenge? C'mon. Please. :P

"The One"

Normal (mostly lvl 50) content. Outside of AE. In my experience, it helps if you're on "invincible," but not necessary.

"The One"

Except that "inflation" actually defines "increase in price"

Miriam Webster: "a continuing rise in the general price level usually attributed to an increase in the volume of money and credit relative to available goods and services"

In my opinion, that is right down to the "t" what AE is. People farming AE increases the general amount of "money in pocket" of most toons, therefore increasing the *general* amount of what "most" people who are getting farmed are willing to spend--while at the same time, a higher population of players are playing in an environment which offers zero drops during gameplay. As was stated before in another thread on this subject (paraphrasing), "most people are going to try and utilize their tickets for their own gain"--meaning, they're going to either try and slot the recipes they get from rolls on their own toons (decreasing what's on the market), OR, they're going to try and make as much money on the market as they can with it---which, when coupled with the fact that most have/are willing to pay much more money now (than before AE), you then have rising prices.

"The One"

Dude, I got 27 or more characters to lvl up (and more to make once later issues are released), so... No, no, no, no, and more NO to that!

Also, the game doesn't truly start for me until I hit lvl 35+ and start slotting IOs... Having all the powers to work with for strategies, and figuring out how to maximize use of those powers/set bonuses IS the game for me... Make it harder to get to that point, and CoX has lost my support.

"The One"

The short answer?

Yes.

"The One"

Not sure exactly what you mean here... Are you implying that leveling up a character during double xp weekend isn't "the right thing to do?" That wanting to set out a lvl 50 Brute is an automatic "fail?" Still trying to figure that statement out...

"The One"

People really SHOULD start actually READING posts for a change.

That would be way cool.

"The One"

No, I don't pay that. So, no, I'm not part of the problem. I was just complaining about the problem, not saying I was participating in it. Not exactly sure where you get your facts there, RagManX, but you might need to start looking elsewhere for them. Villain side is completely different than Hero-side. Anyone will tell you that. I can get a Miracle for....NOTHING on Hero side. I've gotten more Miracles +recoveries via ticket rolls and merit rolls than I have actually bought the stupid things. However, that's all on hero side. Villain side, it's another matter. It's hard enough to find a competent team, much less complete TFs on a regular basis to earn merits for the rediculously expensive IOs (which would be pretty much all of them)... Yes, you could bid 14,000 on an expensive IO and hope that someone makes a mistake in posting one for an unbelievable price, and maybe you could pick up that IO next year!

Or... You could try offering a solution.

"The One"