Aett_Thorn

/this.

There are a decent amount of set bonuses that do.

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Well, the formula is only "incomplete" in that we do not know what some of the values are, such as AI Mod and Range Mod (Range Mod should make it so that melee attacks cause more threat, but we don't know what the values are). The AT Mods appear to work just fine. Scrappers and Brutes have a 3, and Tankers a 4, and because they are so close, other values often cause the shift in aggro.

The term 'Gauntlet' by itself means nothing. So, saying that something isn't susceptible to gauntlet likewise means nothing. Hami may be very, very resistant to Taunt, which in turn lowers the (1000 * TauntDurationRemaining) value, or he may have specific AI Mod values which makes him want to target Tankers less. Or, the Scrapper could just be doing so much more damage that he is able to get his Threat value up to twice the non-attacking Tanker's.

Gauntlet is NOT broken.

The Threat formula works just fine. The problem is that people don't understand it.

Threat = Damage * AI Mod * Range Mod * AT Mod * Debuff Mod * (1000 * TauntDurationRemaining).


As such, if you are Taunting at Range, and depending on the AI Mod the target has, and the resistance to Taunt that it might have, then very high damage levels can override just Taunt.

Throwing in an attack, even a ranged one, every now and then can help you to keep aggro on targets like Hami.

Okay, first off, next time, take your time writing. It seems like you were very excited about this idea, and it seems very rushed, and not quite clear. Having bad spelling and grammar makes it hard for the reader to understand what you were trying to say.

Secondly, we have IOs in various sets that allow us to add various typed damage to our attacks. So those are already in the game, although a few more wouldn't hurt (for instance, there are only a few that add fire/cold damage, and those are in purple sets).

Also, it is very unlikely that they will allow us to add damage to armor toggles, because of the way the powers are coded. Right now, armor toggles that do not affect enemies are coded to affect the user only. With your suggestion, they would need to be coded so that they affect the user only with part of it, and then affect enemies with the other part if and only if there was a certain invention added to it. I don't think that the Devs really want to go through that kind of headache.

Also, you then get into issues of balance, where the sets are relatively well balanced now, but what happens when you can start to add damage to armors and such. What about ATs that don't have armor toggles? What do they get out of this system? You can't just say nothing, because then you're adding power to ATs such as Scrappers and Brutes, and throwing them out of balance with the other ATs.

And then they're the factors about weapon versus non-weapon sets. How do you add electricity to a fire-based attack? Do you only allow these inventions on weapon sets? If so, then that throws those sets out of balance within the ATs.


Going to go with /no for now, but maybe you can take a second stab at this and see if you can't address some of these issues?

I was saying that the last 0.05% Defense wasn't as useful as putting those slots somewhere else, most likely.

To keep furthering this ridiculous derailment:

Saying that a Defender should utilize his/her attacks does NOT mean that he was saying that they should blast more than defend. Just that they should attack SOME.

His highlighted portion is demonstrably untrue. Show me where you gain experience from Defending people. Show me where you get it from controls. Show me where you get it from heals. The only place that it comes from is from doing damage.

Healing, buffing, and controlling can help you to do damage, but damage is the only place that you can advance in this game. If you or your team can't do enough damage, then they won't succeed at their task. Plain and simple. Hence, doing damage, IN ADDITION to support is better than just support.

1) That is fine, though I still think that you could make up for the Def in other places.

2) Damage is part of the Threat formula. Doing more damage will help you to keep aggro. As such, slotting your attacks for damage can help you be team friendly. Even with Taunt, if your attacks don't do much damage, you may see Aggro going to other, higher-damaging characters.

3) This also assumes that you will never, ever exemplar, or at the least that you'll have a second build for that. Tanking everything at level 50 is fine, but if you exemp down for a Synapse or Posi TF, then you're going to be hurting. Was just more of a warning than a suggestion, I guess.

4) Teams usually have the ability to get around fairly quickly. But if you've got a stray enemy (remember that there are a decent amount of enemies at higher level that don't stack nicely, such as Nemesis snipers). And if an enemy does run, you won't be moving too quickly after him. I would still take Teleport Foe over Recall Friend on any Stone Tanker, but that is your own call.

I don't disagree that a lot of people will be affected. I was arguing your point that many people would be affected by it to the degree that a single respec could fix.

Insulting people didn't need to be done there, though. Instead, you chose to do so, and make it so that people are less likely to agree with you. Go you!

Very, VERY few builds have enough powers to use BotZ 5 times. Most can only fit it in twice. That's 6 IOs that need to be swapped out, IF you don't want the bonus that it will still be providing. Even if you can use it three times, that's still enough that one respec will cover you.

BotZ's benefits could be achieved by other means, that's true. However, to get there required a much more substantial investment in slots. THAT was the problem. Not that you couldn't get there, but that it was so much cheaper to do with BotZ. As someone else pointed out, to get there using other sets, you needed a 6-slotted power and a 5-slotted power. That was 9 additional slots on powers, as compared to the 2 that you needed for BotZ. That doesn't seem a little imbalanced to you?

The Devs aren't being unreasonable here, and I'm sorry that you feel that way, but it's not going to likely change their opinion that a respec is the only thing you're going to get.

LOL. I'll let you get the next one!

Care to explain what this 'practice' is? The Devs aren't omniscient, after all. They don't always know the full extent of everything that they implement in the game. As such, balance changes need to happen. That's how this is SUPPOSED to work.


About the same with or without the Zephyrs. About the same as before Zephyrs were even in the game. About the same after this change to them.

Does it stink that people put a lot of effort into builds with Zephyrs in them? Yes. Does that mean the Devs should leave something in that is fairly clearly broken in terms of slots and rewards? No.

Improper analogy, since your characters can still function, and function well. Whole powersets have been reduced far more than this, and still work just fine. Zephyr was too powerful, and is being brought back into balance, nothing more.


Yes, it is reasonable compensation. It's actually more than is really needed. Whole powersets and ATs have gotten changed, and all they've gotten is respecs for it. A change to a single IO set is getting more than what it deserves by getting a free respec.

Considering that you can pair it with other set bonuses, it was too powerful for the number of slots required. It wasn't that you could stack it with itself five times, but that most every character could stack it twice for only 4 slots, then pair it with other Ranged and AoE def sets very easily.

The progression of this game is to have fun. That's it. There are no requirements for a team. 8 Defenders can really steamroll through the content if you want. A Tanker can make things easier sometimes, but they are not required, either.

Unlike WoW, this game doesn't begin at the level cap. There is stuff to do at all levels. At level 50, you can do a couple of raids; all of the Task Forces, including the end-game ones; you can go back and do any content that you missed, thanks to Ouroborus; you can PvP; you can try to get the best inventions possible for your character to use; or you can roll up a new character. All are viable alternatives.

Yes, through the Markets. Wentworths hero-side, Black Market villain-side. You can also sell recipes, salvage, and inspirations there. And, of course, try to buy what other people are selling.

You can check out the PvP forums here. There's probably a lot more discussion about it going on in there. I'll leave it to them to explain PvP right now, since I'm no expert on that by a long shot.