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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I question whether you really know this or not...
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
We may well actually be telling the truth, did that ever occur to you? |
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Julius Ceasar "Men willingly believe what they wish"
For 8 years this community has swallowed every developer lie hook line and sinker. You even had volunteer liars like Golden Girl step in to amplify. Even nowm when the devs have admitted they were throwing B.S. at you, the community isn't internalizing the implications. Think on this, the people who are promoting plan Z are the same people who can't admit that a dead game wasn't healthy, encouraged people to waste money on points, condoned preying on people with a weakness for gambling. Now they are seeking funding this B.S. ? |
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Originally Posted by Intrinsic
It's happened on these boards too, and I generally didn't consider it important enough to correct.
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Considering CoH would have to have approx 100,000 subs to pull in 800k PROFIT a month..... I'm pretty sure we (meaning sane people who have a grasp on the reality of CoH's declining population) know that is utter BS 
CoH had 800k REVENUE a month; including Paragon Market sales (subs+PM). It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. If you don't want to believe me; do your own flippin research - it's no that difficult to find The 800k revenue amounted to approximately 2.5 million PROFIT in a year. This profit was not meeting the quota as set forth by NCSoft. If yer so in touch with Brian Clayton; ask him that Notice I didn't say CoH wasn't making a profit...it just wasn't enough of a profit...and it was slowly trending downwards.
As a matter of fact the ONLY person I would believe debunking these numbers is Brain Clayton himself. So come on down Brian Clayton...and bring some proof.... Not So&So speaking on his behalf...not someone who may have heard it from him. The financial information is not some buried treasure that the average person cannot find with a little research. Then again the people disputing it don't want to look for the TRUTH; instead they want to come up with magical fantasy land figures to show how NCSoft murdered their "10 million profiting game, home, community, etc..."
Even if CoH DOES come back - the damage has been done. The players have disappeared. Any attempt to make it a financially viable game is gone. At this rate I doubt there is barely enough players to support a maintenance mode.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
What grounds do you have to believe that City of Heroes was an unhealthy game?
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Considering CoH would have to have approx 100,000 subs to pull in 800k PROFIT a month..... I'm pretty sure we (meaning sane people who have a grasp on the reality of CoH's declining population) know that is utter BS
CoH had 800k REVENUE a month; including Paragon Market sales (subs+PM). It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. If you don't want to believe me; do your own flippin research - it's no that difficult to find The 800k revenue amounted to approximately 2.5 million PROFIT in a year. This profit was not meeting the quota as set forth by NCSoft. If yer so in touch with Brian Clayton; ask him that Notice I didn't say CoH wasn't making a profit...it just wasn't enough of a profit...and it was slowly trending downwards.As a matter of fact the ONLY person I would believe debunking these numbers is Brain Clayton himself. So come on down Brian Clayton...and bring some proof.... Not So&So speaking on his behalf...not someone who may have heard it from him. The financial information is not some buried treasure that the average person cannot find with a little research. Then again the people disputing it don't want to look for the TRUTH; instead they want to come up with magical fantasy land figures to show how NCSoft murdered their "10 million profiting game, home, community, etc..." Even if CoH DOES come back - the damage has been done. The players have disappeared. Any attempt to make it a financially viable game is gone. At this rate I doubt there is barely enough players to support a maintenance mode. |
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Originally Posted by GreatRock
/jranger
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I'd like to apologize to all of the people that my repeated avatar gives seizures to... However, I do get a kickback from the paramedic services incurred, so I can't honestly be that sorry.
Money trumps all... except for hair... money does not trump hair, clearly...
If you ever want to know whether or not there are truly good cures for male pattern baldness, just check rich people's hair...
In all seriousness, everything I said above is equal parts true and untrue and the various landscapes in-between.
If this causes you problems, you may want to send money to my paypal account and I will make it my priority to examine the possible errors that I made.
Also, I did not type this. I had one of my pygmy henchmen type it for me.
If there are any hidden messages within this text, it is entirely not of my doing.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
And have you gotten psychiatric help yet?
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
I'm sure you're aware that I was being facetious.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
Financial trends as reported in NCSoft's official quarterly filings for the last five years.
What have you got? |
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
What grounds do you have to believe that City of Heroes was an unhealthy game?
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
The same financial reports, which to me suggest a different story.
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Even if CoH DOES come back - the damage has been done. The players have disappeared. Any attempt to make it a financially viable game is gone. At this rate I doubt there is barely enough players to support a maintenance mode.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I'd like to apologize to all of the people that my repeated avatar gives seizures to... However, I do get a kickback from the paramedic services incurred, so I can't honestly be that sorry.
Money trumps all... except for hair... money does not trump hair, clearly... If you ever want to know whether or not there are truly good cures for male pattern baldness, just check rich people's hair... In all seriousness, everything I said above is equal parts true and untrue and the various landscapes in-between. If this causes you problems, you may want to send money to my paypal account and I will make it my priority to examine the possible errors that I made. Also, I did not type this. I had one of my pygmy henchmen type it for me. If there are any hidden messages within this text, it is entirely not of my doing. |
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Originally Posted by Brillig
And have you gotten psychiatric help yet?
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Flat revenue is a great indicator. With all the new toys released in the past year...revenue should have seen an increase not stayed flat.
Heck I spent around $150 more on top of my subs than I did the year prior as did a lot of people. The hard truth is there just wasn't enough people spending more to counter the people leaving and the people who dropped to premium; with little to no purchases.
It's SIMPLE math, but when you have blinders on it's kinda hard to look for and see.
The retort to the numbers from the dreamers: Yes but it was STILL profitable. And the cold hard fact is it was - just not enough. CoH showed NO growth. At this rate it would have been 1.5 to 2 years TOPS before Paragon dipped into the negative. What SHOULD have happened is the secret project and the devs on it - fired. That would have easily bought the game another 4-5 years. Unfortunately if that were done - there would have been nothing from Paragon in 4-5 years. So it is/was a catch 22 - had to plan for the future and make a new product, but that new project is what killed CoH. CoH was not profitable ENOUGH to support an additional 40+ devs working on something else that was returning no revenue and wouldn't for the foreseeable future. NCSoft was not willing to take a loss on CoH/Paragon to support a new game...which is their right as a business. No one has the authority here or at Paragon to say NCSoft should have taken ANY loss on the off chance that Secret Project MIGHT be profitable.
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
What grounds do you have to believe that City of Heroes was an unhealthy game?
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
I love you, I Burnt the Toast!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They're not the one that needs it
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You even had volunteer liars like Golden Girl step in to amplify.
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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Hey, how did you know what I was drinking right now?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They're not the one that needs it
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
So we have a game that from the beginning has never been able to grow and has continuously declined despite having a lock on a niche in a growing market. That pretty much defines poor health/performance |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Lying goes agianst that whole "truth, justice and the American way" stuff
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Originally Posted by Terwyn
We also have a game that had a non-existent advertising budget. That alone proves fatal for many ventures.
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