Rumor - Darth Vader to be resurrected for Episode VII
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Posted on: 2012-11-12 19:02 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Sounds like a tabloid just stirring up some ****.
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God I hope so.
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Originally Posted by 8_Ball
Sounds like a tabloid just stirring up some ****.
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Rumor has it that it'll be three Ewoks dressed up in the suit! 
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kinda impossible - if they do that then they can bring back Obi Wan and Yoda
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Sounds unlikely, while it is true this is science fiction and thus almost anything goes, reviving Darth Vader is both a mistake and pretty much impossible. |
Originally Posted by Unknown_User
According to this article. Episode VII will resurrect Darth Vader and cast him as the main villain.
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1. He absorbed a lethal dose of the lightning and fried his bionics and life support systems and given we saw his skull flare inside the helmet I would bet that some of his brain got stir fried as well.
2. He bids Luke farewell and dies.
3. Luke burns his body in a funeral pyre.
4. We see Anakin's redeemed ghost with Obi and Yoda.
So how could vader return from that?
1. His spirit split into a good and evil spirit and the evil one calls itself Vader and returns. This would be pretty much stark raving stupid.
2. A new dark Jedi/Sith Lord has arisen and decides to take up the name and armor of Darth Vader to rally troops still loyal to the Empire as well as bring some fear and confusion to the Republic. Luke will know it is not truly his father of course, Leia may be a bit uncertain along with Han, and the Republic forces will be wary at first thinking that Vader has truly returned.
3. The only other possibility is this: Vader/Anakin was experimenting with cloning in an effort to replace his limbs, lungs, larynx, eyes,....pretty much his entire body as he was so heavily injured. However the experiments didn't workout for whatever reason so he was stuck in the armor and life support gear......but as a contingency in case of his death he set things up where a completely healthy and of course evil clone of him would be created. This copy of Anakin would be programmed with all the memories of Vader at the time Vader recorded his memories and thus already be darkside but in this case he is healthy, no injuries and is at the peak of his powers. Grand Admiral Thrawn had a similar plan in case of his death....and it is possible that plan succeeded as Mara pointed out to Luke they found A cloning facility but maybe not the only one....
What's funny is that I remember that the original plan for the insane Jedi clone Joruus C'baoth was that he was going to be an insane clone of Obi Wan but Lucas nixed that.
So...an insane/evil clone of Anakin minus being chicken fried in lava? or a darkside impostor looking to cash in on the reputation of Vader?
Come on noone could be that stupid lol.
Wait.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
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Maybe we'll learn that Vader actually split his soul among several horcrux that'll be used to bring him back. If it was good enough for Voldemort it should be good enough for Vader... |
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
Come on noone could be that stupid lol.
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All kidding aside I could see there either being a flashback that features Vader in the past or an appearance of Jedi-ghost Anakin. Bringing him "back from the dead" any other way would be relatively sad and/or dumb no matter how it's handled.
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He will fight Freddy Krueger in Hell for the chance to return to life and exact revenge. Star Wars VII Freddy vs Darth
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I'd pay to see that
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Originally Posted by Jaso
He will fight Freddy Krueger in Hell for the chance to return to life and exact revenge. Star Wars VII Freddy vs Darth
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However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
Wait I thought the Empire was going to clone the Emperor and bring him back that way?
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This is why when Vader died, he placed his hand on Luke's head and said, "remember". And they shot his body in a torpedo casing that soft landed on the Genesis planet, so...
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This was my thought in terms of how it could happen. It would be a real point of confusion for Luke, at least until the confrontation. And Leia - remember, Vader tortured her to try to get the location of the rebel base.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
2. A new dark Jedi/Sith Lord has arisen and decides to take up the name and armor of Darth Vader to rally troops still loyal to the Empire as well as bring some fear and confusion to the Republic. Luke will know it is not truly his father of course, Leia may be a bit uncertain along with Han, and the Republic forces will be wary at first thinking that Vader has truly returned.
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And of course if you are secretly a Sith Lord, hiding in plain sight, it would be a great disguise to go do your villainy without revealing exposing your secret.
Which of course would mean that at some point there would be an revealing where the captured Vader's mask was removed.
"Look! It's Senator Smithers!"
"And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Jedi."
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I'm not going to say it would be impossible for some new villain to emerge who could start calling himself Darth Vader. I'm just having an amazingly hard time reconciling how that kind of "plot twist" would be reasonable or cool in any way, shape or form.|
Originally Posted by GadgetDon
This was my thought in terms of how it could happen. It would be a real point of confusion for Luke, at least until the confrontation. And Leia - remember, Vader tortured her to try to get the location of the rebel base.
And of course if you are secretly a Sith Lord, hiding in plain sight, it would be a great disguise to go do your villainy without revealing exposing your secret. Which of course would mean that at some point there would be an revealing where the captured Vader's mask was removed. "Look! It's Senator Smithers!" "And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling Jedi." |
Consider the obvious: News would spread of Vader's death pretty quickly around the galaxy. Just about the only way a villain could legitimately convince everyone that Vader's "still alive and kicking" would be for him to start acting as Vader within a few days or weeks after the end of RotJ. That way he could personally "dismiss the rumors of his own demise" and rally what's left loyal to the Empire. If the timeframe of this new movie is set to be any longer after Ep.VI than that then I don't think it would be plausibly believable. I mean if Ep.VII is set like 25 or 50 years after RotJ then who's going to believe any version of Vader would be alive after having been known to be dead for 25 or 50 years?
As you implied I think this kind of thing would only be cute in a Scooby-Doo style setting. *shrugs*
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Actually, I was serious with the idea, rocking it, this could be cool, yes it's a way a new Sith Lord could operate without coming into the open. It's only when i got to the point where they unmasked him that the dialog sprung into my head.
As for being unrealistic - first, I think "The Emperor is dead" spreads a lot faster than "Darth Vader is dead". More importantly, this is a universe of superscience and magic (yes, the ways the Force is manipulated might as well be magic). Maybe Vader was flash frozen like Han was and only recently thawed out. Maybe it's a clone. Some will think "OK, it's probably not Anakin Skywalker, but a new incredibly powerful Sith Lord wearing that really scary costume" - and find that's not a great comfort.
All that said, I hope they avoid the temptation. What's great about the story of Darth Vader is that he was the hero, fallen into dark corruption, who at the end finds his soul again. This greater story really got started in Empire Strikes Back (in A New Hope, Vader was pretty much "evil magician from central casting"). It's possible that there could be a story that expands on that journey, possibly dealing with something Vader had done in the time between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, with flashbacks.
But I'm actually hoping that it's mostly a movie with new heroes and new villains. Luke, Leia, and Han have minor roles and are mostly there to hand the reins to the new generation of heroes.
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The empire will chase down Leia through a wormhole that goes back in time to the start of III, Leia will be stuck on an ice planet where she meets a young Han Solo - they blow up the empire ship from the future but now they can retell the whole franchise - Zachary Quinto will be Darth.
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Again I'll agree that the Star Wars setting (with it's mix of sci-fi tech and ancient Jedi/Sith magic) could allow for pretty much any kind of "Darth Vader's alive again" twist. I just hope they come up with a better storyline for the new movie than that. Vader's cool and all, but in the immortal words of Dr. McCoy, "He's dead Jim"... They should leave him that way.|
Originally Posted by GadgetDon
Actually, I was serious with the idea, rocking it, this could be cool, yes it's a way a new Sith Lord could operate without coming into the open. It's only when i got to the point where they unmasked him that the dialog sprung into my head.
As for being unrealistic - first, I think "The Emperor is dead" spreads a lot faster than "Darth Vader is dead". More importantly, this is a universe of superscience and magic (yes, the ways the Force is manipulated might as well be magic). Maybe Vader was flash frozen like Han was and only recently thawed out. Maybe it's a clone. Some will think "OK, it's probably not Anakin Skywalker, but a new incredibly powerful Sith Lord wearing that really scary costume" - and find that's not a great comfort. All that said, I hope they avoid the temptation. What's great about the story of Darth Vader is that he was the hero, fallen into dark corruption, who at the end finds his soul again. This greater story really got started in Empire Strikes Back (in A New Hope, Vader was pretty much "evil magician from central casting"). It's possible that there could be a story that expands on that journey, possibly dealing with something Vader had done in the time between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, with flashbacks. But I'm actually hoping that it's mostly a movie with new heroes and new villains. Luke, Leia, and Han have minor roles and are mostly there to hand the reins to the new generation of heroes. |
Speaking of Dr. McCoy I'm personally hoping this new movie will borrow directly from ST:TNG and connect to the original trilogy with the appearance of a -single- very old actor from the originals (just like they had the super-old Dr. McCoy talk to Data in the first episode of ST:TNG). The obvious choice to serve this purpose would be Mark Hamill as an old Jedi Master. Like you said he'd be in the movie long enough to "hand over the reins" to the new cast of characters who'd could then have their own trilogy free-and-clear of the previous movies. Sure it might be nice to see more than Luke from the originals, but they really only need one actor to serve that purpose.
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The empire will chase down Leia through a wormhole that goes back in time to the start of III, Leia will be stuck on an ice planet where she meets a young Han Solo - they blow up the empire ship from the future but now they can retell the whole franchise - Zachary Quinto will be Darth.
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((Cross posted from the "Hasbro" thread because I posted it there by mistake...))
If Disney wants to use Vader in a new movie there is a very easy and acceptable way to do so - don't call the movie Episode VII and instead set it a few years after Episode III.
There's a span of 16-18 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope that has never been touched. This material is ripe for development and you can use Vader, Boba Fett, Yoda, Obi-Wan, younger versions of Han and Lando, etc., without resorting to any kind of goofy (no pun intented) plot twists to explain how fan favorites who either apparently, or obviously, died are back.
Hell, in Lucas' tradition of changing things to make them fit, you could even relable ANH, TESB and ROTJ as Episodes VII, VII and IX, and call the new trilogy Episodes IV, V, and VI.
I think this would make much more sense and would be far more readily accepted than trying to continue the story post-ROTJ with a new cast, etc.
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A few years ago there was talk of a Star Wars TV show that would cover the "16-18 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope" that you mentioned. Now that this Disney deal has happened I don't know if something like that would still be in the works or not.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
((Cross posted from the "Hasbro" thread because I posted it there by mistake...))
If Disney wants to use Vader in a new movie there is a very easy and acceptable way to do so - don't call the movie Episode VII and instead set it a few years after Episode III. There's a span of 16-18 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope that has never been touched. This material is ripe for development and you can use Vader, Boba Fett, Yoda, Obi-Wan, younger versions of Han and Lando, etc., without resorting to any kind of goofy (no pun intented) plot twists to explain how fan favorites who either apparently, or obviously, died are back. Hell, in Lucas' tradition of changing things to make them fit, you could even relable ANH, TESB and ROTJ as Episodes VII, VII and IX, and call the new trilogy Episodes IV, V, and VI. I think this would make much more sense and would be far more readily accepted than trying to continue the story post-ROTJ with a new cast, etc. |
Anyway the concept of a post-RotJ Ep.VII, VIII and IX trilogy is not exactly a new idea. There was talk of having a "trilogy of trilogies" happening as far back as the late 1970s. I suspect it has been part of Lucas' Grand Scheme for decades now. *shrugs*
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Bringing back Vader, while all good for nostalgia, will literally kill the franchise for me and a I think, a lot of other people.
For a basic plot having it post RotJ makes sense. In an interesting twist, I'd say make the Jedi the bad guys this time out. Luke has gone into retirement / hiding waiting for his successor to appear so he can train him to save the Jedi Order. So basic plot is the head of the Jedi Council is the new big bad and the republic is being over zealous in it's efforts to keep the peace.
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Yeah, I've known about the possibility of a live action TV show for years now, but supposedly it wasn't going to include any of the main characters, except possibly Fett. I've also known about the 9-part saga since I was a kid, I think George even mentioned the possibility of 12 movies at one time, though he's vehemently denied both possibilities for decades.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
A few years ago there was talk of a Star Wars TV show that would cover the "16-18 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope" that you mentioned. Now that this Disney deal has happened I don't know if something like that would still be in the works or not.
Anyway the concept of a post-RotJ Ep.VII, VIII and IX trilogy is not exactly a new idea. There was talk of having a "trilogy of trilogies" happening as far back as the late 1970s. I suspect it has been part of Lucas' Grand Scheme for decades now. *shrugs* |
Post-Jedi films could be good, if done right, but bringing back Vader and/or recasting all the main characters with younger actors would ruin it for me, so my idea is the only one I can think of that would work for me.
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Yeah the TV show was going to be based around a completely different set of characters, with maybe a cameo or two of the "main" characters from Ep.I-III. It seemed like a reasonable idea that would at least explain what was going on during that period of the timeline.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
Yeah, I've known about the possibility of a live action TV show for years now, but supposedly it wasn't going to include any of the main characters, except possibly Fett. I've also known about the 9-part saga since I was a kid, I think George even mentioned the possibility of 12 movies at one time, though he's vehemently denied both possibilities for decades.
Post-Jedi films could be good, if done right, but bringing back Vader and/or recasting all the main characters with younger actors would ruin it for me, so my idea is the only one I can think of that would work for me. |
And I agree I don't think it would be a very good idea to do to Star Wars what Abrams did to Star Trek - have a bunch of new actors playing the roles of the original trilogy cast. That worked for Abrams because he was "rebooting" Star Trek. Star Wars is a different situation. I think it would be better for the Ep.VII-IX trilogy to be set far enough in the future that pretty much all of the original trilogy characters would be dead, except for Luke which could be explained by him being a very old Jedi master. In this new trilogy Luke could end up serving the same role Yoda did to a new batch of young Jedi.
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According to this article. Episode VII will resurrect Darth Vader and cast him as the main villain.
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