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Not to get started on it again, but you actually DID say exactly that.
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He edited. Last time I read that it said 29th 11:59:59....
To clarify: you will be able to play until 11:59:59PM on November 30. They will shut off at midnight.
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I dont need class for ppl here that want to be jerks to me. I give what I receive.
damn... tired...life is full of yuk isnt it...
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The game isn't real? I really wish I knew what I took back in 2004 that I could still be tripping an entire MMO eight years later.
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Originally Posted by Cherokee
People are just to nuts over things that arent real.
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this thread just proves it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!
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this thread just proves it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!
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YEAH!
/ignores Nethergoat and Arcanaville . . . out of spite . . . with loathing . . . and other bad, filthy words
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Sigh....
Well, at least the thread on the titan network was a bit more productive. Still, I can now claim Arcanaville had posted in my thread. Too bad it was to wonder how many drugs she was taking, but...
A win is a win.
If it makes you feel any better, and despite my part in derailing the trainwreck of what the thread became, I read your OP and the article you linked. The info was a good refresher, and was actually helpful in some other conversations I've had in the last couple days.
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I read the linked article when it first came out. Essentially what it says is when you have more money than you can reasonably put to work, profit margin doesn't matter, absolute profit matters. I would tend to agree. What I don't understand is why this would be considered either interesting or controversial, and what it says about NCSoft specifically with regard to City of Heroes.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
If it makes you feel any better, and despite my part in derailing the trainwreck of what the thread became, I read your OP and the article you linked. The info was a good refresher, and was actually helpful in some other conversations I've had in the last couple days.
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If NCSoft has more money than they can currently put to work, then the only reason for shutting down City of Heroes is that it was losing money. If it was returning even a small percent profit that would likely beat investment returns on that much liquid assets. The argument put forth by others that the problem was that there were better marginal returns elsewhere would be nullified by the argument proposed by author of the linked article.
Personally I think its much more complex than that, because of the issues of repatriating cash.
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They're repatriating cash to build up enough to make Valve an offer they can't refuse.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I read the linked article when it first came out. Essentially what it says is when you have more money than you can reasonably put to work, profit margin doesn't matter, absolute profit matters. I would tend to agree. What I don't understand is why this would be considered either interesting or controversial, and what it says about NCSoft specifically with regard to City of Heroes.
If NCSoft has more money than they can currently put to work, then the only reason for shutting down City of Heroes is that it was losing money. If it was returning even a small percent profit that would likely beat investment returns on that much liquid assets. The argument put forth by others that the problem was that there were better marginal returns elsewhere would be nullified by the argument proposed by author of the linked article. Personally I think its much more complex than that, because of the issues of repatriating cash. |
http://www.ndsuspectrum.com/a-e/rumo...3#.UG4Gw78U7fc
Please buff Ice Control.
They are like the corporate blob.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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He's a random bigmouth on the internet. You haven't seen enough yet to recognize them on sight???
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Or you could just go **** off yourself. Who are you to tell anyone else what they should be doing or feeling right now?
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I am done with POSTING here//will maybe read, but wont post.
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Its time stamps and
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You are a garbage person. You have presented yourself as the lowest kind of trash. You have nothing of value to offer anyone on either these forums or in your day to day life. No one wants you. No one cares if you live or die. Please go away and die quietly somewhere else, where we won't have to listen to it either.
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Nope didnt happen....Assuming better understanding is bogus...People just wont except the truth...It is really done...no matter how evil you want to be to me...thx...goob...
And modded my a ss. I seen some evil stuff...want links? Its sick...really I wont be here once I lay down. I am done with POSTING here//will maybe read, but wont post..I will 100% be playing till fade to black cause I love this game like others.maybe more cause of the impact it had on my life and my wife and mother and father...Dont care what you say. I have this game till nov 29th at 11:59:59.. :P and you cant stop me... |
Stand UP.
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That's been disproven already, just like all the other rumors about what's going on.|
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They're repatriating cash to build up enough to make Valve an offer they can't refuse.
http://www.ndsuspectrum.com/a-e/rumo...3#.UG4Gw78U7fc |
Edit: Hell, the article you linked outright said that it's probably just an internet rumor, and listed more facts that make it unlikely - like NCSoft's denial of the rumor, and Gabe Newell's refusal of EA's offer and his quote saying he'd dissolve the company before letting it be bought out - than ones supporting the rumors.
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or to start one.
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Mostly, I started this thread as a means of trying to push the discussion past, "Why won't NCSoft take our money????"
This was a sentiment I was picking up a lot on and I thought some context of just why money may not matter to them right now would help. It was more on the Titan threads then anywhere else but I figured I'd cross post here too.
It still just blows my mind that a company can make more money by refusing to let people give them money for a service they want. If tens of thousands of people were lining up to give me money, I wouldn't turn it down, but I guess that's why I'm not the CEO of a big corporation.
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Dear LockOn, Thank you for this. Both this article http://t-machine.org/index.php/2009/...ness/#more-725 and SerialBeggar's link http://unsubject.wordpress.com/2009/...-its-failures/ have helped me understand WHY it isnt/might not be good business for NCSoft to keep CoH (or any given product) around, even ones that are profitable. It doesn't help me LIKE the decision, but it makes it more understandable.
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Cross-posted to the titan network
So in trying to understand what's been going on with NCSoft and their announcment from yesterday, I've done a bit of digging around with some help. I came across this article from 2009: http://t-machine.org/index.php/2009/...ness/#more-725 It's interesting reading and helps to explain some of the context of why NCSoft is making the decisions that it's making. The basic gist of it is, NCSoft currently has more money then they can spend. Really, literally, they can't spend all the money they have. So from that standpoint we can see that offering to buy the IP won't really phase them much, because they don't need or want (yes, I know that sounds hard to believe) the money. The risk to them is far greater that at some point in the future, someone else will come in and take money away from them with a better game/property. So it makes sense in that context to hang on to the IP and bury it, to prevent the competition from getting a leg up on them, especially with a possible product they used to own. But that's also why the SaveCOH movement can't let up with the pressure that we've created. As Mercedes Lackey and others have pointed out, the actual acknowledgement of our efforts from NCSoft is shocking and unusual. It means that people there are actually concerned that future earnings (the only thing they really care about) could be impacted at some point by the negative publicity that they are getting from this event. So we have to keep going. We have to keep threatening their future earnings and make them realize that the potential negative aspects of sitting on the IP and squashing our community will come back to bite them in the future. Because I for one, believe that it will. So stay strong, stay committed, and keep fighting the good fight. This is far from over and we have to keep going. We WILL win. |
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It still just blows my mind that a company can make more money by refusing to let people give them money for a service they want. If tens of thousands of people were lining up to give me money, I wouldn't turn it down, but I guess that's why I'm not the CEO of a big corporation.
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But yes, it's probably stupid that they're getting rid of a delicious pie favored by many to wager on a new, untested pie, and it will probably come back to bite them in the butt.
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OK, this all reminds me of something. Stick with me here...
LEO: Hm. It's amazing. absolutely amazing. But under the right circumstances, a producer could make more money from a flop than with a hit. Hm. Yes, it's quite possible. If he were certain the show would fail a man could make a fortune.
MAX: Yes?!
LEO: Yes what?
MAX: what you were saying. Keep talking.
LEO: What was I saying?
aaaaah.... just watch the masters do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjn1Y9YcIQM
Sound vaguely familiar?
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Essentially what it says is when you have more money than you can reasonably put to work, profit margin doesn't matter, absolute profit matters.
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It sounds kind of like a line from those Looney Tune Flash animations. This probably came first, though.
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OK, this all reminds me of something. Stick with me here...
LEO: Hm. It's amazing. absolutely amazing. But under the right circumstances, a producer could make more money from a flop than with a hit. Hm. Yes, it's quite possible. If he were certain the show would fail a man could make a fortune. MAX: Yes?! LEO: Yes what? MAX: what you were saying. Keep talking. LEO: What was I saying? aaaaah.... just watch the masters do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjn1Y9YcIQM Sound vaguely familiar? |
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Sorry to single out King, but it would be really nice since we all care passionately about CoH to read forums without all these personal attacks. Please let's stay on topic--and when we disagree, can we not compound the negative feelings (anger, sorrow, grief) over NCSoft's decision with negative and incendiary remarks?|
Originally Posted by King_Moloch
You are a garbage person. You have presented yourself as the lowest kind of trash. You have nothing of value to offer anyone on either these forums or in your day to day life. No one wants you. No one cares if you live or die. Please go away and die quietly somewhere else, where we won't have to listen to it either.
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BTW, Flea, nice seeing you on the forums. I hope to see you on Justice United channel sometime on or before Nov.30th.
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