No more driver's licenses by 2040?
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Posted on: 2012-09-18 13:45 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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My answer to that is "yes." As Arcana states, I* (like everyone else in the world) am pretty sure that I'm a much better than average driver. But as long as it means no more drunk drivers, grandmas driving 20 miles under the speed limit in the left lane and jackasses in Camaros who cut in between cars with less than a foot of leeway, I'll happily let Johnny 5 drive.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The question is would you cede control over your car, if that allowed you to upgrade the drivers of all other cars to computer control.
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I hate driving anyway (again, paranoia). If my car drives itself, then I can just play Gameboy or take a nap or something while commuting to and from work. It's a win-win.
*Though in my case, I'd say that it comes from paranoia after surviving a collision as a child. (No, I was not driving.) I get VERY tense while driving because I'm constantly anticipating what every other car on the road MIGHT do and plan appropriate avoidance maneuvers.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Didnt at one point in the 50s or 60s they said cars or "cars of the future as they called them" would be flying by the year 2000 and everyone would own one? Weeeeelllllll....here we are in 2012 aaaaaannnnddd...not many flying cars.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/tech/i...html?hpt=hp_t2
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
My answer to that is "yes." As Arcana states, I* (like everyone else in the world) am pretty sure that I'm a much better than average driver. But as long as it means no more drunk drivers, grandmas driving 20 miles under the speed limit in the left lane and jackasses in Camaros who cut in between cars with less than a foot of leeway, I'll happily let Johnny 5 drive.
I hate driving anyway (again, paranoia). If my car drives itself, then I can just play Gameboy or take a nap or something while commuting to and from work. It's a win-win. *Though in my case, I'd say that it comes from paranoia after surviving a collision as a child. (No, I was not driving.) I get VERY tense while driving because I'm constantly anticipating what every other car on the road MIGHT do and plan appropriate avoidance maneuvers. |
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Or the ones who ride down the shoulder during a traffic jam... a traffic jam caused two hours earlier when two motorcyclists attempted to weave through rush hour traffic with fatal results.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Don't forget the ******** on motorcycles that love to ride the center line!
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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i personally would love an autonomous car
im not gonna lie, im really lazy and hate driving lol
I would definitely let a computer do the parking and unparking part of driving... especially when parked between two SUVs and I can't see if any car or person is behind me as I try to pull out. If I hit anyone, let them sue the computer.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i personally would love an autonomous car
im not gonna lie, im really lazy and hate driving lol |
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They will probably work pretty good until somebody panicks and hits the manual control (witness Air France flight 447), Jalopnik (gawker media) ran a story where an autonomous car lapped (here is a different Wired story - http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/03...ts-pikes-peak/ ) Infineon raceway IIRC than most drivers.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Honestly, I trust a robot car more than actual drivers based just on what I see on the road every day.
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Pretty cool but as a guy who really likes to drive (yes, I am a mutant that derives pleasure from the actual act of piloting a car) I'm not a fan of autonomous cars. Although it will be nice on the highway when the majority of cars are autonomous and travel is very effcient - mayhap I64 in SE Va will actually work like its supposed to.
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I would rather have the computer do it.
Officer: "Can you tell me what happened?"
Me: "Don't ask me! Ask the computer, it was driving."
As I have my annual drive to Vegas for my vacation coming up, I'll say I'd love to have a self driving car. The ability to hop in my car and say "Get me to Las Vegas" would be great. I could admire the scenery, read a book, or watch a movie (or a few) on my iPad. While I don't particularly dislike the drive out there, it is somewhat tedious.
The downside to a self driving car would be that I have the fun windy road sequences taken away. However on balance I would consider it worth it.
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And as the article mentioned, California was going to legalize self-driving cars along with Nevada... and they did.
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That cool but what happens if something "breaks" while on the road?
"What happened?"
"Well I was sleep on my way to the club and all of a sudden I ended up here."
"Well son, I hate to break it to you, but you are dead. The automatic control in your car went hey wire, took a left turn into on coming traffic and you got smashed by a Peterbilt."
"Is my family suing the car maker?"
"The car maker will claim it's driver's error and grease few hands and the case will get thrown out and your property will be auctioned to pay for the damage to the truck and claimed injury to the driver to a tune of 3 million. Your auto insurance says they are not liable to pay anything since technically you was not the driver. $5 will go to buffing out the damage that you did to the truck, the rest to the driver. Well anyways, welcome to the afterlife, have fun. I have to attend to another soul that met their end from a malfunction of the autodrive device."
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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I don't get BSODs. Often.
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The autodrive would be perfect for the drive home from Vegas...if one has spent their time in Vegas correctly...|
Originally Posted by docbuzzard
As I have my annual drive to Vegas for my vacation coming up, I'll say I'd love to have a self driving car. The ability to hop in my car and say "Get me to Las Vegas" would be great. I could admire the scenery, read a book, or watch a movie (or a few) on my iPad. While I don't particularly dislike the drive out there, it is somewhat tedious.
The downside to a self driving car would be that I have the fun windy road sequences taken away. However on balance I would consider it worth it. |
Flash forward to the world of 2040:
Husband: "iCar, set destination for that nice Italian restaurant on 5th street."
Siri iCar: "Advisory: I see by the date this is you and your wife's anniversary. Wouldn't you rather take her to TGI Friday's?"
Husband: "No thanks. Set destination to the Italian restaurant on 5th street."
Siri iCar: "Advisory: Traffic congestion on 5th street. Estimated time of arrival: 10 hours"
Wife: "But it's just on the other side of town!"
Siri iCar: "In just 7 minutes you could be at a TGI Friday's enjoying tonight's special that includes..."
Husband: "Just set the destination to TGI Friday's. Again."
Siri iCar: "Destination set: TGI Friday's. Please enjoy the drive. Sponsored by, TGI Friday's."
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I never thought I would see the day when California legalized Nevada.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
And as the article mentioned, California was going to legalize self-driving cars along with Nevada... and they did.
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How else are they gonna close their massive budget gaps?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I never thought I would see the day when California legalized Nevada.
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I have a practical concern with self-driving cars, which is that when a cluster, uh, pancake occurs -- and it will -- it's going to get very highly publicized and make a lot of people very nervous about robotic cars. It's like the airplane accident problem; even if there were only one serious airplane accident every five years, three to eight hundred people would die in it, creating a public perception of risk.
I also have to admit I'd like the option to drive places recreationally. I don't enjoy being stuck in traffic any more than anyone else, but I do occasionally enjoy pushing... um, 45, since I definitely wouldn't go faster than the speed limit... on seldom-used roads to go somewhere at night. I'd be willing to take a more rigorous drivers' exam for the privilege but I worry it wouldn't be offered since the only people it would appeal to are those who wish to drive within the margins of 'safety.'
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1. Computer-driven cars will be in accidents proportionally less so than human-driven cars. Yes, they will be sensational because of the attention they get and people will assume their worse even though, statistically they won't. It's the same thing with airplane accidents, which proportionally happen less frequently than car accidents... but people don't get it because large statistically numbers and probabilities are not as intuitive to grasp as people think they are. Besides, what people don't realize is that commercial air traffic is almost all completely computer-driven already, which is one of the reasons it's so much safer.|
Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
I have a practical concern with self-driving cars, which is that when a cluster, uh, pancake occurs -- and it will -- it's going to get very highly publicized and make a lot of people very nervous about robotic cars. It's like the airplane accident problem; even if there were only one serious airplane accident every five years, three to eight hundred people would die in it, creating a public perception of risk.
I also have to admit I'd like the option to drive places recreationally. I don't enjoy being stuck in traffic any more than anyone else, but I do occasionally enjoy pushing... um, 45, since I definitely wouldn't go faster than the speed limit... on seldom-used roads to go somewhere at night. I'd be willing to take a more rigorous drivers' exam for the privilege but I worry it wouldn't be offered since the only people it would appeal to are those who wish to drive within the margins of 'safety.' |
2. As far as being 'stuck in traffic' and being forced to obey speed limits, computer-driven cars will get you where you want to go faster even if you know the short-cuts to avoid traffic. And that's because computer-driven cars also knows the short cuts and will know where all the traffic congestion is because they'll all be linked to a big GPS map of all cars. The system will alter routes of all cars to maximize efficiency and avoid bottle necks. There will be no inefficient waiting at traffic lights.... cars will slow down or speed up in advance of intersections and pass each other with the precision of football marching bands.
And even in rural areas with long stretches of highway, computer-driven cars will take advantage of speed limits that adjust for the situation. If there's no one on the roads and there is good conditions and your car doesn't show signs of strain (like vibrating at high speeds), the computer-driven car will hurl you at 90 mph or more knowing it can react faster than you to unexpected things like a deer on the road. Static speed limits will be a thing of the past.
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I wonder how the cars of say a muscle car collector that is taking one of his/hers 1960s coupe for a maintence spin and how will the cpu controled cars deal with that? Will they be able to sense the car too even though more than likely something like a 1967 Mustang or something will lack GPS and thus the ability to communicate with the cpu cars, and without traffic lights and passing at precision of a marching band, that may be an issue. Or the people that are not able to afford those new cars.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
1. Computer-driven cars will be in accidents proportionally less so than human-driven cars. Yes, they will be sensational because of the attention they get and people will assume their worse even though, statistically they won't. It's the same thing with airplane accidents, which proportionally happen less frequently than car accidents... but people don't get it because large statistically numbers and probabilities are not as intuitive to grasp as people think they are. Besides, what people don't realize is that commercial air traffic is almost all completely computer-driven already, which is one of the reasons it's so much safer.
2. As far as being 'stuck in traffic' and being forced to obey speed limits, computer-driven cars will get you where you want to go faster even if you know the short-cuts to avoid traffic. And that's because computer-driven cars also knows the short cuts and will know where all the traffic congestion is because they'll all be linked to a big GPS map of all cars. The system will alter routes of all cars to maximize efficiency and avoid bottle necks. There will be no inefficient waiting at traffic lights.... cars will slow down or speed up in advance of intersections and pass each other with the precision of football marching bands. And even in rural areas with long stretches of highway, computer-driven cars will take advantage of speed limits that adjust for the situation. If there's no one on the roads and there is good conditions and your car doesn't show signs of strain (like vibrating at high speeds), the computer-driven car will hurl you at 90 mph or more knowing it can react faster than you to unexpected things like a deer on the road. Static speed limits will be a thing of the past. |
And given that most of the time when newer cars are in the shop (outside routine maintance) it is usually for for something electronic that of course when it was made was touted as state of the art and reliable, yet time seems to have a different say. I mean even Toyota had the acceleration pedal incident, and there have been cases of people's cruise control either failing to disengage and or wont engage on new cars where it's controled by a coumputer. I hope they do some extensive quality assurance tests before releasing these cars in mass amounts to the public instead of using the customers as test dummies and costing lives before they fix a problems that should of been fixed before leaving the factory.
Yeah, airplace crashes happen way less often and is a safer way to travel then on the freeway but when they do crash all of them make the news. Kind of make the problem bigger than it seems. The only difference though is that with planes, the sky is relatively empty per plane compared to the millions upon millions of cars on the road.
I think driverless cars will be something of the future, but they been working on it since the 70s and I think they are getting closer to making it happen. Now, how to implement it and the legal work of who fault it is in the case something do go wrong or an accident does happen is probably one of the kinks. For each accident, do the car maker gets sued? Does this mean that consumers buying car insurance will be a thing of the past?
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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Computer driven cars don't assume or require that all other cars are computer driven cars. They are testing these now, on real roads, with real traffic, under real world conditions.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
I wonder how the cars of say a muscle car collector that is taking one of his/hers 1960s coupe for a maintence spin and how will the cpu controled cars deal with that? Will they be able to sense the car too even though more than likely something like a 1967 Mustang or something will lack GPS and thus the ability to communicate with the cpu cars, and without traffic lights and passing at precision of a marching band, that may be an issue. Or the people that are not able to afford those new cars.
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They don't, and I imagine will mostly be used for relatively predictable driving conditions initially (eg, highways). But the safety offered by the technology is of principal benefit when it's employed more-or-less universally and without the option for a driver to override it -- the latter of which is much more reliably ensured by a combination of technology and legislature than by either alone. Once the technology is proven, it's likely that user-driven vehicles will become (largely) a thing of the past. A risky, quaint and barbaric custom enjoyed by hobbyists in private, like horsemanship or steam engine operation.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Computer driven cars don't assume or require that all other cars are computer driven cars. They are testing these now, on real roads, with real traffic, under real world conditions.
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Which I don't mind, honestly. I just want it to take long enough that by the time I can't choose to drive myself publicly I would have been rubbish at it anyway.
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I would imagine that even if the technology was both reliable and cheap, it would still take twenty years or more for the old cars to be replaced with the new ones through attrition alone.|
Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
They don't, and I imagine will mostly be used for relatively predictable driving conditions initially (eg, highways). But the safety offered by the technology is of principal benefit when it's employed more-or-less universally and without the option for a driver to override it -- the latter of which is much more reliably ensured by a combination of technology and legislature than by either alone. Once the technology is proven, it's likely that user-driven vehicles will become (largely) a thing of the past. A risky, quaint and barbaric custom enjoyed by hobbyists in private, like horsemanship or steam engine operation.
Which I don't mind, honestly. I just want it to take long enough that by the time I can't choose to drive myself publicly I would have been rubbish at it anyway. |
Computerized drivers in my lifetime? Absolutely. 90% penetration of the technology in my lifetime? 50/50.
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yea hopefully I'm in a grave by that times. I buy cars to drive not to be ridden in. But yeah, I think the longest part will be getting to the point of where the technology is proven. |
Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
They don't, and I imagine will mostly be used for relatively predictable driving conditions initially (eg, highways). But the safety offered by the technology is of principal benefit when it's employed more-or-less universally and without the option for a driver to override it -- the latter of which is much more reliably ensured by a combination of technology and legislature than by either alone. Once the technology is proven, it's likely that user-driven vehicles will become (largely) a thing of the past. A risky, quaint and barbaric custom enjoyed by hobbyists in private, like horsemanship or steam engine operation.
Which I don't mind, honestly. I just want it to take long enough that by the time I can't choose to drive myself publicly I would have been rubbish at it anyway. |
And I'm not so sure it would be safe to not being able to over ride it as sometimes although the technology by the time it's implemented probably will be relatively reliable, dont think we should assume that nothing ever can go wrong. Lets learn from Titanic, the unsinkable ship. Although the chance of that accident was highly unlikely, it happened and it was a disaster. I think even airplanes have an over ride command for those just in case moments.
In the mean time to improve actual safety, maybe the states should start off with tougher driving tests instead of handing them out like candy to any joe that walks in basically.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Computerized drivers in my lifetime? Absolutely. 90% penetration of the technology in my lifetime? 50/50.
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Unless you mean you're 50/50 on living to 2050.
Also, I really want to make a 45% joke, but I can't quite think of one today.
Edit : Granted, Americans are pretty odd. I wouldn't have predicted the death of the trolley system before it happened and I would have predicted a much higher penetration of metric standardization by now. But I think the social factors are lining up on this one.
On another occasion, my engine died while I was going nearly 80 on a highway. When the tow truck driver arrived, my car was parked perfectly on the right shoulder. I told him what happened and he look at my car and asked what lane I was in when it died. I told him the far left lane. He looked at me funny and asked, "Your engine died and you crossed four lanes of highway and parked it like that?"
"Yes. So?"
"Believe me, most people wouldn't have the composure."
And the best story of all is about someone in my office who would be better off with the computer driving the car. She told me about a situation years ago where her brakes failed while on a hill. I said that I assumed she used the emergency brake. She said, no, her reaction was to DIVE OUT OF THE CAR!!!
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