Penny Yin's uber leet haxzor power set
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Posted on: 2012-08-29 05:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Penny Yin's Psionic Crush is powerful... but not as powerful as the one the Clockwork King has for her. Could she ever love him for who he is, with bolts, rust and all? That's the major cause of Psionic Torment for him. He hopes the sight of his towering form gets her Psionic Pulse quickening... and prays that they never Psionic Drift apart.
Okay, I'm not even going to touch 'Impenetrable Mind' and 'Psionic Thrust'. That's just no good.
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I honestly don't see what other people see between them. Penny/CWK has always struck me as a Father/Daughter relationship, not love interest.|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Penny Yin's Psionic Crush is powerful... but not as powerful as the one the Clockwork King has for her. Could she ever love him for who he is, with bolts, rust and all? That's the major cause of Psionic Torment for him. He hopes the sight of his towering form gets her Psionic Pulse quickening... and prays that they never Psionic Drift apart.
Okay, I'm not even going to touch 'Impenetrable Mind' and 'Psionic Thrust'. That's just no good. |
He refers to her as his Princess, not his Queen. During the LGTF he talks about protecting her from <stuff> and "boys" which while I suppose one could look at it in a competitive manner, strikes me more as "No boy could ever be good enough for my little Penny."
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I'm split down the middle about it.
I feel that it could get beyond the creepy daddy stage if he somehow got his body back and had some counselling.
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Weird, I've always had the impression that the Clockwork King looked at Penny as a daughter ... he even calls her "my little princess". Otherwise, he'd call her "My Queen" or something. |
Originally Posted by Zortel
Penny Yin's Psionic Crush is powerful... but not as powerful as the one the Clockwork King has for her.
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He's always seemed like an over protective dad to me.
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OOPS ... looks like Oathbound has the same idea. That makes it a certain fact!
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Penny: CK? Why does that plate on your body say "Sybian"?|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Penny Yin's Psionic Crush is powerful... but not as powerful as the one the Clockwork King has for her. Could she ever love him for who he is, with bolts, rust and all? That's the major cause of Psionic Torment for him. He hopes the sight of his towering form gets her Psionic Pulse quickening... and prays that they never Psionic Drift apart.
Okay, I'm not even going to touch 'Impenetrable Mind' and 'Psionic Thrust'. That's just no good. |
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Oh good, I'm not the only one who's always seen it that way.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
I honestly don't see what other people see between them. Penny/CWK has always struck me as a Father/Daughter relationship, not love interest.
He refers to her as his Princess, not his Queen. During the LGTF he talks about protecting her from <stuff> and "boys" which while I suppose one could look at it in a competitive manner, strikes me more as "No boy could ever be good enough for my little Penny." |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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The first time I saw that "and boys" dialog, I took it to be jealousy. Without any access to whatever passes for CK's mind, it could be any sort of motivation at all, though.
CK wouldn't call her his "Queen" because that would imply a relationship that didn't exist. "Princess" is a generic term of affection, as well as prerequisite title - Many/Most Queens are awarded a title of Princess/Duchess/Whatever if they don't already have one by birthright. Calling her his "Princess" doesn't indicate that he feels paternally towards her. It just indicates that he thinks of her as a maiden, so to speak.
Since CK is basically certifiable, you can take it any way you like, especially since Penny does not seem to relate to him on a romantic level. The age difference is probably not very applicable since they literally see each other for their minds.
Mostly, I think he's half-mad from loneliness and he's afraid of anything that might take away the only person that he can relate to on any sort of "normal" level. His overcompensation stems from his need to prove to her that he is more devoted and more worthy than anyone else in the world whoever they are. Love, whether paternal or romantic, doesn't enter into the equation all that much.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Since CK is basically certifiable, you can take it any way you like, especially since Penny does not seem to relate to him on a romantic level. The age difference is probably not very applicable since they literally see each other for their minds.
Mostly, I think he's half-mad from loneliness and he's afraid of anything that might take away the only person that he can relate to on any sort of "normal" level. His overcompensation stems from his need to prove to her that he is more devoted and more worthy than anyone else in the world whoever they are. Love, whether paternal or romantic, doesn't enter into the equation all that much. |
There is a pretty good AE story about the two of them for the life of me I can not rember what it is called!
. .I am not sure if it is lore but sure seems close and it kinda deals with there relationship they see each other in there dreams (mentally) differently. There is also the new SSA just a bit in the beginning which I wont spoil but King seems to have a well more juvenile crush on Penny Bordering on creepy stalker.
I think the way the relationship is portrayed varies depending on which writer is doing the missions. My most recent exposure to the Clockwork King was from the SSAs, and it seemed very... yeah.
Anyway, it could go either way, diminutives are used as terms of endearment, and this game had Tyrant/Dominatrix so it wouldn't be the weirdest thing that happened.
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Originally Posted by Zortel
I think the way the relationship is portrayed varies depending on which writer is doing the missions. My most recent exposure to the Clockwork King was from the SSAs, and it seemed very... yeah.
Anyway, it could go either way, diminutives are used as terms of endearment, and this game had Tyrant/Dominatrix so it wouldn't be the weirdest thing that happened. |
Uh..yeah after you'v e run through Domi's mission In Tina's arc and battle through gimps armed with cattle prods... nothing shocks you...
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CK is a good ten years older than Penny, if not more. As you say, his portrayal in SSA2.1 is borderline juvenile, which is what pushed me towards his behavior being primarily overcompensation ("I will prove to you that only I truly see you and appreciate your true value").|
Originally Posted by Athena Six
There is also the new SSA just a bit in the beginning which I wont spoil but King seems to have a well more juvenile crush on Penny Bordering on creepy stalker.
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It might be that he's simply deluded himself into thinking that she'd only remain with him if he was her peer, so he behaves the way that he imagines/half-remembers that children behave without really thinking about the fact that she's now about the same age he was when he underwent his "transformation".
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It was more the old description of Dominatrix. In that she serves Tyrant faithfully. In all capacities.
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Originally Posted by Athena Six
Uh..yeah after you'v e run through Domi's mission In Tina's arc and battle through gimps armed with cattle prods... nothing shocks you...
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Well, this thread escalated quickly.
I'd count on seeing at least a few of these powers in the recently-announced Psionic (or was it Psychic?) Melee set.
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I agree as well that it is because of this you can't really label the relationship..| Mostly, I think he's half-mad from loneliness and he's afraid of anything that might take away the only person that he can relate to on any sort of "normal" level. |
King is such a tragic villain(one reason i like him so much) and it is that insanity coupled with this bizarre affection that add to it. I actually feel bad the times I have to pound him! Another reason I like SSA 2.1...not saying any more!
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I actually had a similar theory, in fact, I once speculated, before the confirmation of Wu Yin as, indeed, her biological father, I wondered if maybe the Clockwork King was her real father given how little we knew about him, with the possibility of Wu Yin having been a close friend in life.|
Originally Posted by Mallerick
Weird, I've always had the impression that the Clockwork King looked at Penny as a daughter ... he even calls her "my little princess". Otherwise, he'd call her "My Queen" or something.
He's always seemed like an over protective dad to me. EDIT: OOPS ... looks like Oathbound has the same idea. That makes it a certain fact! |
Though on a less related note, I've always wanted to see something like the Super Seventeen Saga with the Clockwork king where he fuses with all of his alternate world counterparts and, well, becomes one of the few opponents worthy of battling for an incarnate Trial.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
I actually had a similar theory, in fact, I once speculated, before the confirmation of Wu Yin as, indeed, her biological father, I wondered if maybe the Clockwork King was her real father given how little we knew about him, with the possibility of Wu Yin having been a close friend in life.
Though on a less related note, I've always wanted to see something like the Super Seventeen Saga with the Clockwork king where he fuses with all of his alternate world counterparts and, well, becomes one of the few opponents worthy of battling for an incarnate Trial. |
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Well there is a world where the CWK fully realized his powers and destroyed everything, I would imagine ours fully realized could be stronger.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
I actually had a similar theory, in fact, I once speculated, before the confirmation of Wu Yin as, indeed, her biological father, I wondered if maybe the Clockwork King was her real father given how little we knew about him, with the possibility of Wu Yin having been a close friend in life.
Though on a less related note, I've always wanted to see something like the Super Seventeen Saga with the Clockwork king where he fuses with all of his alternate world counterparts and, well, becomes one of the few opponents worthy of battling for an incarnate Trial. |
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He created a self replicating psionic robot swarm that started maiming people and killed a policeman when they tried to stop it swiping their stuff for materials. He then killed three more police whilst resisting arrest.|
Originally Posted by Athena Six
King is such a tragic villain
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He is not a tragic villain. At all. He's a straight up murderer who became, or always was, insane. Probably always was, because why, exactly, would a sane man create the Clockwork to do what he has them do? Which is replicate themselves (thereby increasing his own power) and kill anyone who tries to stop them. Though if he was sane, it just means he's basically evil.
A tragic villain is evil through actions or circumstances they have or had no control over. The Clockwork King was either always insane, which doesn't make him tragic, it makes him just plain insane, or he was sane and freely performed what are blatantly evil acts.
There's no grey area with the Clockwork King, he's a bad guy who now happens to be affably insane.
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I'm pretty sure the deaths of the four officers were accidental. He's crazy, but it started as a "Why don't they like my toys?" crazy than a "And now they will all see!" crazy.
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Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
I'm pretty sure the deaths of the four officers were accidental. He's crazy, but it started as a "Why don't they like my toys?" crazy than a "And now they will all see!" crazy.
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Originally Posted by khorak_EU
He created a self replicating psionic robot swarm that started maiming people and killed a policeman when they tried to stop it swiping their stuff for materials. He then killed three more police whilst resisting arrest.
He is not a tragic villain. At all. He's a straight up murderer who became, or always was, insane. Probably always was, because why, exactly, would a sane man create the Clockwork to do what he has them do? Which is replicate themselves (thereby increasing his own power) and kill anyone who tries to stop them. Though if he was sane, it just means he's basically evil. A tragic villain is evil through actions or circumstances they have or had no control over. The Clockwork King was either always insane, which doesn't make him tragic, it makes him just plain insane, or he was sane and freely performed what are blatantly evil acts. There's no grey area with the Clockwork King, he's a bad guy who now happens to be affably insane. |
At least at first, the King doesn't know that his creations were not actual robots. (There's a mission where you rescue some scientists CK had kidnapped over jealousy of their public recognition.) I think all Clockwork are capable of speech and display a fair degree of independent action and thought.
On the other hand, Clockwork do become inert when taken far enough away from the Clockwork King (something you find out in COV).
So is the King a power source, a puppet master, or both?
If the Clockwork are sentient to any degree, then the King may or may not have consciously ordered them to manufacture more of themselves. It could be a simple, instinctive reaction on their part. As is attacking the policemen who interfered with their thievery.
In general, the Clockwork have been relatively non lethal by villain standards in COH. (There's another mission where a contact asks you to retrieve a trophy stolen from a friend of his. Said friend is handicapped and when he attempted to get his trophy back from the Clockwork they disassembled his wheelchair but did not actually harm the man.)
If you stir up an ant hill or a wasp's nest, you may get attacked. If you try to take food from a bear or a dog, you may get attacked. Does that make them evil?
Frostfire kills at least four people personally and becomes leader of a super powered gang that commits all kind of violence and havoc, but he redeems himself and is considered a hero by the time of the Level 40 Hero Tip Missions.
If he can be considered fit for redemption, why not the Clockwork King?
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Originally Posted by Zortel
Penny Yin's Psionic Crush is powerful... but not as powerful as the one the Clockwork King has for her.
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Seriously, that was painful.
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So Penny has some suppper cool powers. And purple ones! But..what do they do? What are they? I wanted to find out..so I turned on pet combat for the Maria arc and got the following..
Penelope Yin: HIT Scryer! Your Psionic Pulse power is autohit.
You unleash a powerful psionic shockwave that ripples through the air around you, dealing Psionic and Smashing damage to any hit by the wave. The shockwave also has a chance to knockback its targets.
35.56 psionic damage on target 14.22 smashing damage on target 70.00chance for 3.94 magnitude knockup on target
Penelope Yin: HIT Seeker! Your Psionic Thrust power had a 71.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 58.56.
You create a blade of crystalline psionic energy around your hand and viciously stab your target. The target suffers psionic damage, followed by a bleeding wound and reduced resistance to further psionic damage.
24.07 psionic damage on target 3 Ticks of 3.91 lethal damage over 2.10s on target after 0.50s delay -20.00% resistance to psionic damage for 10.00s on target after 0.50s delay
Penelope Yin: HIT Scryer! Your Psionic Blade power had a 71.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 18.55.
You create a blade of crystalline psionic energy around your hand and use it to stab your target with a quick attack. The target suffers psionic damage, followed by a bleeding wound and reduced defense.
5.64 psionic damage on target 3 Ticks of 3.91 lethal damage over 2.10s on target after 0.50s delay -12.50% defense for 4.00s on target
Penelope Yin: HIT Seeker! Your Psionic Crush power had a 71.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 11.84.
You imprison your target in a field of collapsing psionic energy. They are held in place and suffer continuous damage and endurance loss.
8.00 magnitude hold for 6.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements 4 Ticks of 4.27 psionic damage over 6.10s on target -4.00% endurance for 6.10s on target 10.67 psionic damage on target after 6.00s delay
Penelope Yin: HIT Seeker! Your Psionic Drift power had a 75.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 50.90.
You induce a dream state in all nearby targets around you while also dealing continuous psionic damage. These dreams can manifest as nightmares, lucid dreams or deep sleep, which manifest as fear, confusion or stun.
19.56 psionic damage on target Ignores buffs and enhancements
Penelope Yin: HIT Seeker! Your Psionic Torment power had a 71.00% chance to hit, you rolled a 50.85.
You create painful visions within the mind of your target, and these visions manifest as bleeding wounds. When the visions end, the targets suffer reduced regeneration, recovery and recharge rate.
17.78 psionic damage on target Ignores buffs and enhancements 7.11 lethal damage on target Ignores buffs and enhancements -4.00% endurance for 6.00s on target Ignores buffs and enhancements -50.00% regeneration rate for 6.00s on target after 6.00s delay Ignores buffs and enhancements -50.00% recovery rate for 6.00s on target after 6.00s delay Ignores buffs and enhancements -75.00% strength to recharge for 6.00s on target after 6.00s delay Ignores buffs and enhancements
All those damage values are 'for' a lvl 46 Fender. But some of the powers some really awesome..I like the chance for fear/stun/confuse power.