Regeneration - The red-headed stepchild

It's been some time since the epic nerf of Instant Healing and there's not been much love for the poor old Regeneration power set.
Willpower has more +regen than it consistently.
Even the new Bio Armour has more consistent +regen!

How about turning Instant Healing back into a toggle and give us our namesake back?

Very much signed!

I have never really understood the way they made the regen set, I think if they lowered the regen values of IH could work quite nicely.

Good luck, with all the tools available to /Regen now...(look at rebirth radial destiny).../Regen has become essentially what it was once again!

Now it just needs a little Regen Debuff Resists and a little Recovery debuff resists.

I think Regen is one of those few sets where PVP needs to be taken into account. It is probably the strongest melee secondary for PVP and for good reason- I personally don't see anything wrong with leaving it alone and thinking of it as a PVP set; Sort of similar to how I feel about Psi Blast.

All I can say is that I'm amazed at the effect Beavis and Butthead have had on the language.

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I think I see the B & B in the title.

Regen is something I wish it had better SO numbers. Because quite frankly without the abilities IOs bring to the table for regen, you are much better off with nearly any other set available. You need the recharge to bring the downtime on things like Dull Pain, MoG,Instant Healing, or Shadow Meld (for scrappers). Hitting the s/l deference cap is fairly important too. Having a strong mitigation helps as well like Foot stomp from SS keeping things on their backs, or Fault from Stone Melee.

Now all this said, I wholly agree with THB and planet J. And for the outside tools comment, I'd have to say that I'd never take WP without something to help stop an alpha because those first few seconds of the fight are typically the most dangerous for WP. Many other sets use outside tools. Regen just relies on them a little more.

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The red-headed stepchild phrase is a lot older than B&B.

I love my regen scrapper but I agree that IO's especially +Health and +Recharge are what really make it shine. Just slotted with SO's it is pretty anemic. In fact I think recharge is so important for them that they should have something to provide decent recharge-debuff resistance so that would be my main request.

I'm not talking about the phrase itself. It's the saying the name of something then something weird right after it. Like Steak- It's whats for dinner. But now that I'm looking it up I think I'm wrong anyways. Off to watch Beavis and Butthead.

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Originally Posted by Tater Todd "My Thugs/Pancake can solo Breast Cancer!"

Something to consider. Regen has always benefited particularly well from added resistance. In I24 the IO set bonuses are going to be changed to add a significant amount of resists.

One could argue that regen will benefit pretty well from I24. Maybe more than defense based sets, but it will definitely be better off on overall defenses than all the quishies running around who put mega infl into adding defenses that mean little on things like an ITF.

I do agree with the regen and end debuff resistances needing to be added.

NERF REGEN!



(hey,somebody had to say it)

As J said: Regeneration has the best regeneration in the game: on generic IOs Reconstruction alone recovers 40% of your health every 30s: in a decent IO set build that can go up to 50% health every 15s.

I will agree that Willpower is an easier set to play, since it doesn't require you to look at your healthbar (of course, on WP even if you watched your HP bar you couldn't do anything to help it...), but WP doesn't have nearly the same regen as, well, Regen

I just find Regen, especially on SOs, too damn binary.

You're awesome, or you're faceplanted. There's little in between, especially against late game groups.

I have a bs/regen scrapper. Until a week ago he was my SOLE level 50 scrapper. I played the hell out of him - hundreds of hours logged. He's the closest I've ever come to deleting a 50 (I've stopped myself halfway through typing his name three times now).

He has Barrier, he has Shadow Meld, he has Moment of Glory. Dull pain isn't permanent, but it's up far more than its down. His IO defenses aren't bad - and of course with access to parry nothing in melee can threaten him. He should be one of the most survivable things going ... but he's... not. x8 Carnies, Malta, and Arachnos obliterate him. So do most of the DA mobs at x8.

Their gimmicks (nuking defense, high base hit, -recharge, -regen, energy drain) ALL hit him harder than they hit my similar defense leveled /Elec or /Dark or /WP.

Whether they actually do or not is fluke as much as anything. I run plenty of missions without having to hit a heal. I run plenty of missions were I wish instant healing was up every spawn. I run plenty of missions where it doesn't matter if it is (hello, multiple dark ring mistresses). The maddening part is how often these two things are against the same enemy group - (ignoring the carnie complaint. They're pretty easy to dodge in play).

Funny thing is that against untyped and irresistable damage, Regen is, by definition, still king. Because the only mitigation against that is moar health per second, and Regen does that best. And the endgame certainly has a lot of that irresistable stuff.

In my ramble I also forgot to mention that you can't use a click when dead. Hence, binary. That was my personal issue leveling it, and it was partially me. I'm a terrible judge of when to hit the magic clicky. I'm better at it now (especially with the god mode breathing room), but still on occassion I'll find myself on the receiving end of a salvo of APU hits faceplanting me from full before I know they're there, let alone before I can hit a button. The set demands more skill to play than other secondaries but doesn't reward you better than they for needing to have that skill.

But yes, regen is king of handling unresistable damage. Unless I'm in a burn patch, I usually don't even bother leaping away from Marauder's nova fist if instant healing is running.