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I just want to point out that this isn't a logical line of reasoning. If I turn on Defensive, it's to survive. If the need to kill faster is required, then Defensive isn't enough to begin with. |
Originally Posted by Siolfir
if you really need Defensive on a team you'll want the rest of the team doing more damage,
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For example, the video I posted shows my tank surviving. Period. He wasn't even attacking. Not even the aura was on. He did not need a team to kill them faster to do so.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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If you need to switch to Defensive to survive, it's because incoming damage is too much for the other adaptations (probably due to getting shot by too many Assault Rifles and needing both more resistance and the heal procs). If it happens on a team, that means you're not receiving outside buffs and likely want the rest of your team which is presumably attacking and not doorsitting to actually do something about the mobs around you.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
I just want to point out that this isn't a logical line of reasoning. If I turn on Defensive, it's to survive. If the need to kill faster is required, then Defensive isn't enough to begin with.
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But I also think that Burn is a great defensive power for my SS/FA because the initial burst (usually after Footstomp) means I rarely deal with anything smaller than a Lt. I definitely have to heal a lot less when I use it frequently.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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Or you could be taking on more than you should be. While I think Defensive is great, like any other set it has limits. A -res debuff has nothing to do with any of that.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
If you need to switch to Defensive to survive, it's because incoming damage is too much for the other adaptations (probably due to getting shot by too many Assault Rifles and needing both more resistance and the heal procs). If it happens on a team, that means you're not receiving outside buffs and likely want the rest of your team which is presumably attacking and not doorsitting to actually do something about the mobs around you.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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Since this has mostly turned into the two of us going back and forth and we both said we don't agree with the other's opinion, how about we just take any further discussion to PMs and let the thread go for people who want to talk about past nerfs rather than discussing whether or not a new one should happen? Because while I tried to give an answer, I don't have the numbers to quantify exactly what the changes were and that seemed to be what was asked.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
Or you could be taking on more than you should be. While I think Defensive is great, like any other set it has limits. A -res debuff has nothing to do with any of that.
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I've stated my case about the -res being unique offering for an armor set and offense being a good defense already. We seem to just be talking past each other at this point rather than communicating.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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So, only one person is responsible for suggesting "balance changes" on beta? Surely the Devs listen to more voices than just one. At least i hope so! I would hate to think all it takes is one person. Considering those of us that do not participate in Beta have to rely on other players and The Devs to Test these sets.
No, and I honestly do not think that was implied and certainly not stated in this thread.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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We all know they only listen to Arcanaville. For everything else, they just roll dice. |
Originally Posted by Athena Six
So, only one person is responsible for suggesting "balance changes" on beta? Surely the Devs listen to more voices than just one. At least i hope so! I would hate to think all it takes is one person. Considering those of us that do not participate in Beta have to rely on other players and The Devs to Test these sets.
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I see, apologies then looking back to the begining of the thread i see that Bio-Armor was not the only thing to get -Adjusted-|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
No, and I honestly do not think that was implied and certainly not stated in this thread.
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Thank all of you in beta for helping to give us the best set ever!
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Arcanaville is to busy trying to get the pocket D Erp badge!
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Originally Posted by Starsman
We all know they only listen to Arcanaville. For everything else, they just roll dice.
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Originally Posted by Athena Six
looking back to the begining of the thread i see that Bio-Armor was not the only thing to get -Adjusted-
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MAGIC!
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Welcome to City of "Balanced" Average People Running Around Throwing Rocks! Although I expect Rocks to be considered OP before too long.
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Did you miss the TPN thread? I'd kill to be a Praetorian citizen just throwing rocks.
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Originally Posted by oOStaticOo
Welcome to City of "Balanced" Average People Running Around Throwing Rocks! Although I expect Rocks to be considered OP before too long.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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I quite like Bio. Very very much indeed. It is regen/dark 2.0. Fricking fantastic. I think some of the complaints about survivability probably stem from trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.
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Hew in drag baby
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Just Feldspar, it's totally broken.
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Originally Posted by oOStaticOo
Although I expect Rocks to be considered OP before too long.
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This is what it was before it was nerfed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OJLMFmqY4
I will say there was a lot of different reviews of it. Some said, as Rylas that they were soloing +2x6 with common IOs and some of us were using IO sets and couldn't even solo +1x3 mobs.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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I didn't just say it. I showed it with a video. Which took place after the nerfs you bemoaned. If I can do it on just common IOs and you can't on IO sets, I'm not sure it's an issue with the set.|
Originally Posted by _Pine_
I will say there was a lot of different reviews of it. Some said, as Rylas that they were soloing +2x6 with common IOs and some of us were using IO sets and couldn't even solo +1x3 mobs.
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Also, didn't someone in the beta forums already point out that you decided to use a video on Bio in Offensive mode to prove how it "actually was"?
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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You cant nerf something that isnt even a final build or even live yet.. Seriously..
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Originally Posted by ORACLE
I have mids with bio-armor and before I waste time on planning my next brute, I wanted to know what aspect got nerfed from mids. Words I have read to describe the nerf are "huge" and "massive" nerf.
If someone could kindly point me to the thread with the nerf details, I would appreciate it. I can find threads with people alluding to it but no specific details. Maybe I am blind... Thanks- |
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
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You can if it's overpowered. Like Bio was. Now it's just about right.
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
You cant nerf something that isnt even a final build or even live yet.. Seriously..
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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I think it was a semantics issue; that since it was never finalized and released to live no change can be a "nerf" because they're just adjusting the values before "the public" ever gets to see it.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
You can if it's overpowered. Like it Bio was. Now it's just about right.
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The problem with that logic is that the public can see it (due to ongoing open beta for VIPs), and can see that in many cases it was nerfed.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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The important thing - the very important thing - about the word use of nerf is to never ever give up on the sense of petulant entitlement and hyperbole inherent in the word.
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Or the snarky, self-important arrogance and holier-than-thou responses that using it engenders in others apparently.|
Originally Posted by Talen Lee
The important thing - the very important thing - about the word use of nerf is to never ever give up on the sense of petulant entitlement and hyperbole inherent in the word.
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"A significant reduction in power or effectiveness" is summarized by four letters fairly effectively without needing to tack on additional characterizations.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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This just may be my new sig.
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."