Character Names: Putting MY money where YOUR mouth is


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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Edited, 26 July

Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons and Futurama, once said that the hallmark of a well-designed cartoon character is that they be identifiable in silhouette. Back when Wizard magazine was both an actual publication and a publication actually worth reading, their editorial staff observed that the hallmark of a well-designed superhero is that an observer would be able to pick the character out on a poster like this one without hesitation even if all they knew about the character was his name.

Names are important for superheroes, moreso than characters in other genres. If Aragorn or Buck Rogers or Sherlock Holmes or John McClane had a different name, the character himself would be largely unchanged. If Spider-Man or the Flash had a different name, the character would be fundamentally different, possibly requiring a different costume or suite of superpowers in order to make any sense. For superheroes, names matter.

And for some reason, it seems that any time someone mentions it being tough to find a decent name around here (outside this thread, anyway), they're immediately set upon by a crowd of people telling them how easy it is, that they just need to be "more creative," that they should learn to use a thesaurus, et cetera. Well, if you're one of those people, then this is your lucky day. Assuming it's as easy as you say it is, anyway.

Now, I'm not exactly loaded, but I'm willing to offer up a sizable chunk of what influence I do have to anyone who can deliver on this. Think of it as a reward, a finder's fee, or a prize; the point is, if naming a character is so easy, I'll pay you to do it for me. The rules are simple:

I have a character I desperately want to play, but he doesn't have a name. He's been sitting, unused, for about five years now. If you provide me with a name for this guy that I like enough to take and use, I'll send you in-game currency to the tune of half a billion influence. There's no cutoff date; the money remains up for grabs until it's given away. There's no limit to how many names you can suggest. But there are rules, and there are standards. To qualify, a name must be:

  • spelled properly unless it's an obvious, purposeful misspelling.
    This includes punctuation; superfluous periods or apostrophes, replacing a capital I with a lowercase L or vice-versa, inserting a space after every letter, or "XX Name XX" are all disqualifying offenses. I will be the sole arbiter of whether a purposeful misspelling is acceptible, but generally, I'd stay away from just adding a Y after any given long A, replacing an I with a Y, or sticking an E on the end of a word that doesn't normally have one. You may have more luck with consonants; X's and Z's are both pretty cool. No promises there, though.
  • in English, unless it being in another language suits the character.
    I will be the sole arbiter of whether a non-English language name "suits the character," but generally, if it has a direct translation in English, I want it in English, primarily because of the next item on this list. If it's a word in another language that doesn't exist in English (or has been appropriated as-is from that language -- Baccarat, for example), that might be okay.
  • obviously meaningful in some way to the character's theme, costume and/or powers without having to be explained.
    I say again, without having to be explained. I will be the sole arbiter of whether a name is obvious enough that it doesn't have to be explained. Note that this also means "fantasy" names (by which I mean, gibberish that "sounds about right") won't fly here. If it doesn't actually mean something, you can keep it.
  • a single word or short phrase as opposed to a complete sentence.
    If a phrase, it would be helpful if it were a real, common set of words people actually use together (and in that order) from time to time, though it doesn't necessarily have to be -- I'm pretty sure "Green Lantern" wasn't a commonly-used phrase before the superhero first appeared. Clever wordplay is good, too, as long as it doesn't get too silly. He isn't intended to be a "joke" character.
  • something you might see on the cover of a real superhero comic book.
    I will be the sole arbiter of whether a name is "superhero" and "comic book-y" enough. Titles like "Doctor" or "Captain" or "(whatever)-Man" are acceptable, but less desirable than names without them. Also less-desirable but not expressly forbidden: "mashup" names, i.e, just taking two otherwise-disparate words vaguely related to the character and putting them together: "he uses fire, and carries swords, so he'll be, um... Scorchblade! No, wait -- Burning Edge! No, Stabflare!" Those kinds of things typically generate a response somewhere between "eh" and "meh" from me, but you're welcome to try.
  • an actual superhero codename.
    I'm not looking for their real name or secret identity here. I want Wolverine, not James Howlett. I want the Flash, not Barry Allen. I want Black Widow, not Natasha Romanov. Codenames are evocative and informative; real names are lazy and boring. Real names that are also part of a codename (Black Jacques) are cheesy and lame, and will generally be seen as a "misspelling." So, you know, see above for the rules on that.
  • Available (or, for safety, taken by you) on the Virtue server. I don't care what's free on other servers. I don't play on those.
Plus, I have to like it enough to take it and play a character with that name. Even if it fits all the other criteria, if I just plain don't like it, then I just plain don't want it. And I'll warn you now, I have some pretty high naming standards. High enough that I've sat on this guy for five years because I couldn't find something I liked, if that tells you anything. I'm not looking for something "pretty good" here, I'm looking for something truly great, something I see and say to myself, "that's the one -- I have to have it because it's perfect." I've waited half a decade, and I'm not about to start jumping at the first thing that's offered now. It's nothing personal, it's just that I'm looking for something truly amazing here.

Basically, "good enough" is not good enough.

Also, I won't be altering the character in any way from what's shown here (aside from possible weapon or power customization); no "this name would make sense if you changed his chest detail to x or added hat y or used aura z." Make the name fit the character.

In an effort to help you take my money (because I legitimately want to give this inf away), I'll try to come back to this thread periodically and explain precisely why I'm shooting down some of the things that I don't deem "winners." This is not done to start fights, insult anyone, or otherwise be a jerk -- it's done to assist everybody participating (or thinking about participating) to better understand exactly what it is I'm looking for, and get everyone that much closer to payday. It's called "constructive criticism," and I hope anyone who wants to jump into the thread without suggesting a name or discussing a given submission will keep that phrase in mind before posting.

Anyway, here he is:



First, let me point out the complete absence of a clown/jester theme.

Ultimately I'm willing to let this guy's powers be determined by his name. For example, if "Ace of Blades" were free (it's not), he'd become a Dual Blades character. If a name I like suggests guns or fire or darkness or whatever else, I'll change his powersets and AT accordingly. If the name he ends up with allows it (i.e, doesn't call out a specific suit), I'd like to give him four costumes that are identical except for the suit on his chest: one for spades, one for hearts, and so on. But I'm not dead-set on that. I do know that if he only gets one suit, it's spades.

Ideally I'd be able to name this guy "Pokerface" or "Solitaire" or "Ace of Spades" or something similar, but, hey, the people who took those names nearly a decade ago and haven't logged on even a single time since then might come back and immediately buy a million Paragon Points, but only as long as they still have that name they've almost certainly forgotten, so....

Anyway, there you go, folks. Half a billion, up for grabs, and all you have to do is name him. Have at it.


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For #1 I put forward Strife Support, a play on Life Support because of the suit and I think the character looks like a villain.

For #2 I give you Abyssal Truth, I just think it fits.

For #3 I offer Flying Acrobat, I took the name on Virtue for a time I might want to use it but haven't been able to get an acceptable concept. Still level 1 and free for deletion.

The first two names are currently free and the third will need me to delete him, send me a tell at @Beet if you want Flying Acrobat.


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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell View Post
[*]in English, unless it being in another language suits the character. I will be the sole arbiter of whether a non-English language name "suits the character," but generally, if it has a direct translation in English, I want it in English, primarily because of the next item on this list. If it's a word in another language that doesn't exist in English (or has been appropriated as-is from that language), that might be okay.

[*]obviously meaningful in some way to the character's powers, theme or costume without having to be explained. I say again, without having to be explained.
This is the primary reason why I don't go the popular "Just try the same name in a different language" routine...

Sure, I will know that my character is named "Flash Bang" in ancient Greek, but odds are everyone else thinks I just typed in random gobbledygook. To me that thought is kinda disheartening.. I understand why some people wouldn't care, but it's just not my cup of tea.


Anyway, sorry to go off the track a bit. I wish you luck in your endeavor. I am terrible at coming up with creative names so I won't waste your time with my nonsense ;P

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Character 1 = Very difficult to name because the costume/concept is so broadly used already. I have no idea but "Cryowaltz" sprung to mind.

Character 2 = Again, without a specific background he's difficult to name. "Eastern Eclipse" runs off the Moon Knight-esque theme.

Character 3 = Actually the easiest to name. Something like "Wild Knave" (rather than Wild Jack, as Knave is the original name for the Jack cards and is less likely to be taken) or "Crazy Knave" if you're going for full theosaurus-athon and it could feed into the wild/flailing poses of the dual pistols.

I'm only doing this for the challenge however, so does this count me out of the running?


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#1 is pretty damn tough due to the huge numbers of robo-brains people rolled back when the think-tank was released. I can't think of any decent ice-related brain names besides "Brainfreeze" which was probably taken at release, so focusing on the whole brain-jammed-onto-robot deal, how about "Brainframe"? Like a mainframe...but with a brain...yeah, I got nothing.

#2 Hrmm, how about "Moondrake" (or Moon Drake I guess)? It fits the emblem, isn't too annoying to say/print on a comic book cover and sounds suspiciously like mandrake, a famous component of many rituals in the past (handy if he's magic origin). As an added bonus, if you ever get bored of the dragon, drake works for ducks too, so you can slap a bird emblem on there for variety.

[AlGore] (I have ridden the mighty) Moonwyrm/Moon Wyrm is also free [/AlGore]

#3 Is going to be a nightmare, good luck with your search!


 

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All of my suggestions were checked on Virtue, and were free as of this posting.

#1: Neurofreeze

#2: Dustmoon

#3: Cardshot



 

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Wow; good response so far. Thanks, everyone!

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For #1 I put forward Strife Support, a play on Life Support because of the suit and I think the character looks like a villain.
An interesting play on words, but it doesn't seem too evident what it's "supposed" to be (I didn't get it immediately until I read your explanation). Also, kind of awkward if you say it out loud.

The character may well end up being a villain; I figure once I find a name I'll see what that suggests.

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For #2 I give you Abyssal Truth, I just think it fits.
It has a nice ring to it, but it doesn't seem to add up to anything. One of those names that sounds deep and meaningful right up until the point that you start asking yourself what the meaning actually is.

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For #3 I offer Flying Acrobat, I took the name on Virtue for a time I might want to use it but haven't been able to get an acceptable concept.
Cool name (I could see it working for maybe a Staff/Reflex scrapper), but it doesn't really fit the card theme.

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I have no idea but "Cryowaltz" sprung to mind.
Not bad, but... "waltz?" Where did that part come from?

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Character 2 = Again, without a specific background he's difficult to name. "Eastern Eclipse" runs off the Moon Knight-esque theme.
Taken on Virtue.

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Character 3 = Actually the easiest to name. Something like "Wild Knave" (rather than Wild Jack, as Knave is the original name for the Jack cards and is less likely to be taken) or "Crazy Knave" if you're going for full theosaurus-athon and it could feed into the wild/flailing poses of the dual pistols.
Wild Knave isn't bad (I'm not a fan of Crazy Knave), but "knave" is such an archaic term that it's basically never used except when someone wants to hearken back to medieval times... even if I gave this guy a broadsword or a shield to try to work within that, he still looks too "modern" to me to be called a "knave." Plus, I tend to think of "knave" as a mild insult, even if that may not be how it was used in the context of cards....

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I'm only doing this for the challenge however, so does this count me out of the running?
Not at all; feel free to throw as many ideas at me as you want. I mean, if you're really just doing this for the challenge and don't want to get paid if I use your suggestion, that's up to you....

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#1 is pretty damn tough due to the huge numbers of robo-brains people rolled back when the think-tank was released. I can't think of any decent ice-related brain names besides "Brainfreeze" which was probably taken at release, so focusing on the whole brain-jammed-onto-robot deal, how about "Brainframe"? Like a mainframe...but with a brain...yeah, I got nothing.
I've tried, among other things, three different spellings of "Brainfreeze" (one word, two words, and hyphenated), alone and preceded both by "Doctor" and "Dr." -- all taken. Which was to be expected, but I had to try.

Brainframe is a decent name (and available!), but doesn't reference ice or cold at all, and I'd really like something that does.

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#2 Hrmm, how about "Moondrake" (or Moon Drake I guess)? It fits the emblem, isn't too annoying to say/print on a comic book cover and sounds suspiciously like mandrake, a famous component of many rituals in the past (handy if he's magic origin). As an added bonus, if you ever get bored of the dragon, drake works for ducks too, so you can slap a bird emblem on there for variety.
I like the single-word version. A lot. Enough that I'm seriously considering it. I'll mull it over and get back to you.

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[AlGore] (I have ridden the mighty) Moonwyrm/Moon Wyrm is also free [/AlGore]
I never liked "wyrm" as a reference to a dragon. Said out loud, it sounds so unimpressive. A worm? Really?

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#3 Is going to be a nightmare, good luck with your search!
Thanks. Hopefully something will turn up!

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#1: Neurofreeze

#2: Dustmoon

#3: Cardshot
All decent names, but all names that rub me the wrong way for whatever reason; I think it's just that they all seem to be just "naming two things" names. They just leave me flat. "Dustmoon" less so than the others, possibly because reversing the syllables creates a "real" phrase (which is unfortunately taken).

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EDIT: Nevermind...all those were taken.
A perfect illustration of the dilemma.


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I like the single-word version. A lot. Enough that I'm seriously considering it. I'll mull it over and get back to you.
If you want to grab it as a possible fallback option, just go for it. Everything posted was available when I checked and I don't expect any inf. or anything, I just enjoy playing with the namechecker.


 

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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell View Post
All decent names, but all names that rub me the wrong way for whatever reason; I think it's just that they all seem to be just "naming two things" names. They just leave me flat. "Dustmoon" less so than the others, possibly because reversing the syllables creates a "real" phrase (which is unfortunately taken).
Yes, Moondust was my first choice...

Can you be a bit more specific about what is wrong with those? I especially like Neurofreeze as it is descriptive of the character, I thought.

I am not trying to lobby you into liking them (that's likely impossible) but I am a bit curious as to your thought process... also it could help others to pick better suggestions in the future.

(PS: All three have great costumes!)



 

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Cryowaltz because he dances with death. *Badum tish*. Also, Walt (Disney), Cryogenics. Cool Z on the end. Zs are cool! >.>

How about Shuffleshot for the card-themed one?

Edit - Of course Eastern Eclipse would be taken, darn it it's an awesome name.

Edit 2 - If you do end up using one of my suggestions, please feel free to split the prize money between the other two winners, or donate to a random newbie, or a whole bunch of random newbies or whatever.


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Tam Krannock: lvl 37 Shield/Mace Tanker
Toppa Grace: lvl 25 Fire/Ice Blaster
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Can you be a bit more specific about what is wrong with those? I especially like Neurofreeze as it is descriptive of the character, I thought.

I am not trying to lobby you into liking them (that's likely impossible) but I am a bit curious as to your thought process... also it could help others to pick better suggestions in the future.
It's really not that there's anything "wrong" with them per se; they just aren't grabbing me. It's tough to spell out.

Part of it might be that I'm just not personally a fan of most "mashup" names; they sort of read to me like something that's meant to sound like a superhero (or villain) than like a genuine superhero. Which probably doesn't make much sense, with all superheroes being artificial creations. The permutations of "Brainfreeze" I tried are different because that's a term that exists outside the realm of superheroes; it would be like something the character co-opted for their own use, rather than a word he just made up. It also might have something to do with the very scientific-sounding "neuro" part not "fitting together" with the less-scientific "freeze" part in my mind; once my brain gets "neuro," it wants the whole word to be that high-falutin' (neuroscience, neurosurgeon, Neuromancer).

I don't imagine I'm making much sense here; ultimately that one just doesn't "feel" right to me; I really wish I had a better explanation than that, but I don't know that I do.

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(PS: All three have great costumes!)
Thanks very much; I'm really thrilled with the way these guys look, and that's a huge part of why I'm so eager to find them names I like just as much.


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My offerings (all available on Virtue as of 3pm GMT)

Character 1 - Cryo Brain

Character 2 - Umbral Moon or Gossamer Shadow

Character 3 - Poker Heat - as in 'packing heat' in reference to the guns.

I'm also not bothered about the reward if you do want to use any of the names



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Doc, that makes a lot of sense, actually... the just personal preference type of thing, not necessarily the "meant to sound like a superhero" part... that part kinda boggles my mind.

At any rate, I thought of a very different name for the card-themed dude:

The Ace's Joke — Sort of a play off the joker, and well, the ace part should be obvious. I am not sure if you have much in the way of personality for these guys, but this name evokes a very off-the-wall type of character which seems to fit the "wild gunning" style of DP's animations. *shrug*

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It also might have something to do with the very scientific-sounding "neuro" part not "fitting together" with the less-scientific "freeze" part in my mind; once my brain gets "neuro," it wants the whole word to be that high-falutin' (neuroscience, neurosurgeon, Neuromancer).
Odd, it was that duality that was precisely why I liked it. This really will be a challenge, eh?



 

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Here's my three


(1) Cryon Brian... as in the name Brian, not brain, even though Brian is a twist on brain - I also think Brian rather suits a robot.

(2) The Moonlighter.... rather devious - as in someone who does something undercover, under the power of darkness.

(3) Card Sharp...which could well suit a dual blade char..specially wearing your choice of costumes.


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I have a distinct feeling that "Moonlighter" is taken, did you check for availability on those?



 

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1. Not a huge ice fan so I'm drawing blanks.
2. Twilight Justice (part of your concept could be that you kill sparkly vampires), Dusk Vengeance
3. The Huckster, Double Down, Double Dealin, Broadway Bullet - Broadway is gambling slang for an Ace High Straight, and Bullet is gambling slang for an Ace


Oh if you use any of my suggestions take the inf and convert it to prestige in one of your SG's.


 

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#1 Frozen Gray Matter I know you don't want a joke name but this all that poped in my head

#2 Twilight Virtue

#3 Double Aces


Onibi---Fire/Fire/fire Blaster

I'm ready to burn it all.

Lets Fight!

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OK, I took a few stabs into Virtue and pulled a few names out for you. some you may not like, since you already stated that you did not want two words put together, but I had already looked before I read that, so I will throw them out anyway...

#1:
Cryomech
Frozen Remnant
Loved One
Frozen Image
Cryo-Suit

#2
Moonpower
Twilight Champion
Night-Born
Eclipse Shifter
Shroud Shaper
Duskwork

#3
Ace Rimfire
Aces Loaded
Solitaire Soldier
Dangerous Ace
Ace for Hire
Ammo Ace
Acey DC
Ace Eye
Poker Ace




MY FAREWELL GIFT

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1. Braincase. That'd work well for a villain, not so much for a hero imho, but it's all I got.

2. Dragonwraith. That cape seems kind of spectral to me, and I kind of like the idea.

3. Ace of All. Go with a melee AT and take War Mace/Shield or Shield/War Mace and put the heart emblem on your shield. Alternatively, Foldem, Holdem, and Called Bluff are all kind of catchy.


 

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1. "Cerebroid" springs to mind, though it lacks icy connotation.

2. I see "Moondrake" was suggested already. That was my first thought, though I'd expect it to be taken - probably by a Moondragon clone.

3. "Double Decker" comes to mind. I expect that one might be taken, though. "Not Neutered" was the second thought, but that's more of a joke. "Casino Clipper", "Cardinal Spin", "Trump Shot", "Eleventy-One" (or "One-Eleven")...


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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1) Cool Intellect - Wordplay on powers that also says something about his personality.

2) Omen of Judgement - Magical connotations combined with vigilante attitude of judge, jury and executioner.

3) Doom Card or Ace of Doom - The Ace of Spades is the Death Card, which is already taken. Doom is a little less specific, but maybe more interesting for all that because "doom" can imply judgement and karmic retribution as well as simply death, destruction and calamity. It also allows for using other cards as alternate costumes/builds. Needless to say, a name like this pretty much requires some form of the tarot card aura.


 

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For number 3, I just snagged (on Virtue)

Fair Deal

and

Winning Hand

if those are any good to you.

EDIT: Oh, i also grabbed Moon Talon, which might be good for number 2.

For number 1... can't think of much. Frosty the Brainman is available though


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Not sure why, but when I saw #2, the name that popped in my head was Headmaster Dragon. Not sure why but *shrug*

I don't have any thoughts on the others. Sorry.