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When I look at figures I take into account (AoE*#of targets)/s.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Those are ST numbers
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So a PB could spam the hell out of Solar Flare hitting 10 targets. Overtime the total damage adds up. Total damage potential of the WS and PB are compared.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Bare in mind I was comparing your two human forms you gave me. You can compare them yourself for AoE potential over time. For Tri Form I have 2 non IO setted builds as the game is balanced on SOs. If you wanted to or already had we could look at what you would consider two top end builds that get the best aoes I can look at them and you can look at them so that we are looking at the same thing.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
The best AOE chain for a Warshade is (S Mire when up)Dwarf Mire>Nova D>Nova E (Quasar when up.) If we're measuring AOE we can assume a perma 300% damage buff for the Warshade. Even without fluffies, PB's can't get in the ballpark of Warshade numbers. I don't have Mids up but presumably the best AOE chain for a PB is (IL when up) Nova D>Nova E>SF (D Strike when up.) Photon Seekers will do more harm than good. I'm sure SF does more base than DM or SM but the WS will still pull ahead at the damage cap.
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I am still inclined to say that AoE IO sets that reduce KB and do not have the same level of damage buff as other sets can have people fix their PB through choice or any other AT universally. The KB adds survivability but then doesn't as it can still add fight duration through dispersion.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
t4 musculature, both mires saturated
Sunless Mire 30s duration, 2.5s cast; 234.1
Dwarf Mire 10s duration, ~1s cast; 302.8
ND 2.6s cast; 285.2
NE 1.7s cast; 309.2
So roughly,
SM>DM>ND>NE>ND>NE>DM>ND>NE>ND>NE
2932.1/21.7= 135.12 ST DPS from the Warshade AOE chain.
I don't remember the target caps for the AOE's but for simplicity's sake let's say everything has a target cap of 10, and for simplicity's sake let's assume everything hits 10 targets throughout the course of the chain...
135.12x10 targets= 1351.2 AOE damage per second.
What was that PB number again? It would take me a few minutes to verify an optimal chain and I'd rather save the effort.
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Oh ok, yeah human form isn't the best option for AOE on either brand of Kheld.| are in mind I was comparing your two human forms you gave me. |
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| Unlike you, they don't appear to brag about things. If they wanted me to see them farm and take data, I don't feel confident if I would be getting anything better than I already have got. |
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So it's wrong to come across as confrontational even though it is stating the obvious, we can even create several links to prove the obvious? |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Unnecessary jab. The only person who's been confrontational in this thread is you.
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And in those links we can also show where you have been confrontational towards others
Crumbs one rule for you and one rule for me. I guess you don't like being on the recieving end.
I'll look at that when I come back from MacDonalds if it your builds, are still there. I basically have excel near plug and play now. It wouldn't take me long but I am starving.
I don't know what you mean by PB number.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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What I'm taking from this is that you're intentionally trying to argue with me? Seems odd since I was the only one engaging you in this discussion that was willing to hear you out. Shrug.|
Originally Posted by New Dawn
So it's wrong to come across as confrontational even though it is stating the obvious, we can even create several links to prove the obvious?
And in those links we can also show where you have been confrontational towards others Crumbs one rule for you and one rule for me. I guess you don't like being on the recieving end. |
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OK lol. You may not know this but in real life I am basically never ever angered, frustrated and all that other stuff. So basically not as serious as people may think and the first paragraph just cracked me up.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
What I'm taking from this is that you're intentionally trying to argue with me? Seems odd since I was the only one engaging you in this discussion that was willing to hear you out. Shrug.
You seemed to be stating unequivocally that PB's do more AOE damage than Warshades without EE's. I just posted some quick numbers showing a Warshade's AOE totals at 10 targets, I'm curious to see your fully realized PB's AOE numbers. |
That build you did I am assuming you would get the rechg down when filling in the rest of the build. I don't know if you would have to gimp the rest of the build without filling it in. I couldn't possibly play with an unfinished build due to rechg limits so it'll be inconclusive.
Inner Light I would use two damage buffs that start together, one lasting 30s and one lasting 10s. The one lasting 10s stacks to the 30s. If you you take away the 30s buff from the 10s and divide that by the amount of times the longer duration is compared to the shorter, then add that to the buff lasting 30s you can have a single average buff for calculation purposes. I use 1.432 for an average buff. ((1.72-1.288)/3)+1.28.
If you provide two fully realized builds which put AoE at the forefront we can determine the AoE/s of each together. This is your main AT so I would imagine you'll do a better job at the builds than I and we would both have to see them anyway.
Actually I think I am getting caught up in the moment here. I already know Warshade Nova is superior to Peacebringer Nova and that Peacebringer Dwarf for Tanking purposes is superior to Warshade Dwarf XD. I've been comparing human form.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
You can't just compare the forms individually, you have to do it for the AT as a whole.
As for the Dwarves... Well, Black Dwarf has Mire. And with the instant shifting...
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
OK lol. You may not know this but in real life I am basically never ever angered, frustrated and all that other stuff.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
You are silly, you keep coming up with silly analogies to something you just do not get. You have no idea of what possible outcomes can be had by watching different various players solo similar instances other than perhaps what you already think you know, which to me is silly.
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Friends,
Here I'll throw this out for consideration...
Maybe it'll be of use, maybe not...
I took multiple pictures while defeating a Level 54 AV (Bobcat) in a +4 x8 mission with my Triform Warshade.
I have been unable to accomplish this feat with my PB. Not even after filling my tray with Super Inspirations and keeping my damage at 300% for several minutes fighting Bobcat...
Not a dent...
The Extracted Essences were essential to my accomplishing that mission. It was a large outdoor mission with the maximum number of patrols...
Essentially, I farmed it while defeating Bobcat.
There were probably...guessing...2 groups left when I finished that map. Had I run out of buff food and the ability to summon EEs I would not have been able to kill her.
I believe that Photon Seekers should be altered as I have set forth.
But all of you already know that...I did the math already, so you may wish to plug that in for your consideration New Dawn.
Respectfully submitted,
AIB
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Yep, that would be something I can say in a light tone.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Seems legit.
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I believe she is more resistant to Energy just to start with.
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Originally Posted by AIB
Friends,
Here I'll throw this out for consideration... Maybe it'll be of use, maybe not... I took multiple pictures while defeating a Level 54 AV (Bobcat) in a +4 x8 mission with my Triform Warshade. I have been unable to accomplish this feat with my PB. Not even after filling my tray with Super Inspirations and keeping my damage at 300% for several minutes fighting Bobcat... Not a dent... The Extracted Essences were essential to my accomplishing that mission. It was a large outdoor mission with the maximum number of patrols... Essentially, I farmed it while defeating Bobcat. There were probably...guessing...2 groups left when I finished that map. Had I run out of buff food and the ability to summon EEs I would not have been able to kill her. I believe that Photon Seekers should be altered as I have set forth. But all of you already know that...I did the math already, so you may wish to plug that in for your consideration New Dawn. Respectfully submitted, AIB |
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
How would I fix Kheldians in this modern setting .
Eh not touch it , cause people would go bonkers .
2 if people really want to know
make the forms slottable , but the powers in that form temp power scalable in setting of 2x ACC/DAM ACC/DAM/EDU ACC/DAM/RCH , DAM ,DAM/recharge .
The forms should be slotable in ACC , DEF , DAM , Resistance and HP
So people can make there own kind of buff to the forms
Then make a combo or twist system like DB , or Water Blasting .
3 human form needs mezz protection , that mezz protection should be in the tier 1 passive.
And also changing to other forms , would not remove that tier 1 passive .
That is how I would fix Kheldians .
Just gotta say, a combo system is the last thing in the world I want on my Warshade. Its already in all the new sets, don't let it take over the old ones too.
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Yeah but don't you find it dull to just smash 4 buttons in squid form (sorry joking |
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
Just gotta say, a combo system is the last thing in the world I want on my Warshade. Its already in all the new sets, don't let it take over the old ones too.
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)And 5 buttons in Beetle mode ?
The combo system wouldn't change anything for you , you just still hit your buttons.
But for the new players it would like woot .
I am learning ! how to play Squid and Beetle
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Well if you're just smashing buttons in those forms quite frankly you're doing it wrong. Warshades are fluid and active, you switch forms constantly to take advantage of all they have to offer. A combo system in one of the forms would be teaching them the exact opposite of what they should be learning, making them stay inside the forms longer than they should.
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10-15 seconds of carry-over mez protection from Dwarf to Human would be totally, totally handy. That, with toggle suppression, would rock my alien, Kheldian world.
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Originally Posted by Lonelyshade
3 human form needs mezz protection , that mezz protection should be in the tier 1 passive. And also changing to other forms , would not remove that tier 1 passive . That is how I would fix Kheldians . |
Lady Deacon, 50 ill/ff
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That is a really good idea, it would encourage both taking the forums and switching between them often.
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Originally Posted by corinna
10-15 seconds of carry-over mez protection from Dwarf to Human would be totally, totally handy. That, with toggle suppression, would rock my alien, Kheldian world.
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You normally storm out of threads with "light tones" and end discussions that weren't hostile because you can't explain/defend yourself, then? Interesting.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Yep, that would be something I can say in a light tone.
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Warshade DPSERS are , I do not want to know what a dwarf surrounded by enemies does .|
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
Well if you're just smashing buttons in those forms quite frankly you're doing it wrong. Warshades are fluid and active, you switch forms constantly to take advantage of all they have to offer. A combo system in one of the forms would be teaching them the exact opposite of what they should be learning, making them stay inside the forms longer than they should.
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When switching forms .....
Especially in human form no toggles on .
Since you are a dpser , why slot a form power for max effiency .
When human form has more then enough dps power options , especially some of them still old value not touched. so those extreme you see are still extreme .
sorry maybe if you want max effiency , so that is the reason to change shape .
Then stay human , no need for lousy squid switching , no lost of seconds .
But if you want fun then yeah , switching is fun .
And one playstyle doesn't mean it is the perfect playstyle.
While might be perfect for you and fun , doesn't mean it is perfect for everybody .
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LOL are you flaming dawn ?|
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
You normally storm out of threads with "light tones" and end discussions that weren't hostile because you can't explain/defend yourself, then? Interesting.
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Go do something else , if she doesn't want to reply .
So be it , gee you must have too much anger kept inside you .
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Oh, hello new person. Welcome to these boards. Please refrain from trying to tell me what to do, and I will do my best to continue pretending to care what you think.
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Originally Posted by Lonelyshade
LOL are you flaming dawn ?
Go do something else , if she doesn't want to reply . So be it , gee you must have too much anger kept inside you . |
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Oh hello mister who cannot check dates .. and is full of AS S U M E .|
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Oh, hello new person. Welcome to these boards. Please refrain from trying to tell me what to do, and I will do my best to continue pretending to care what you think.
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Thank you for proving my point .
So done deal , a bit of friendlyness works miracles .
Sadly people like you are full of ad honiems and problems .
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Nothing in this game should require taking the forums. They are a silly place. |
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
That is a really good idea, it would encourage both taking the forums and switching between them often.
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You know what's funny, is I didn't even bother looking at your join date. You were the one assuming that is what I was referring to. What I WAS referring to, was your presence in the kheld forums. Like I said, welcome to this thread.|
Originally Posted by Lonelyshade
Oh hello mister who cannot check dates .. and is full of AS S U M E .
Thank you for proving my point . So done deal , a bit of friendlyness works miracles . Sadly people like you are full of ad honiems and problems . |
I don't think New Dawn needs you to be her knight in shining armor (at least not for me), because I'm not flaming her. I'm disappointed that she chose to stop our discussion, but that's really none of your business, is it?
The best AOE chain for a Warshade is (S Mire when up)Dwarf Mire>Nova D>Nova E (Quasar when up.) If we're measuring AOE we can assume a perma 300% damage buff for the Warshade. Even without fluffies, PB's can't get in the ballpark of Warshade numbers. I don't have Mids up but presumably the best AOE chain for a PB is (IL when up) Nova D>Nova E>SF (D Strike when up.) Photon Seekers will do more harm than good. I'm sure SF does more base than DM or SM but the WS will still pull ahead at the damage cap.