Purchaseable Enhancement Slot
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-28 21:03 in Suggestions and Ideas
would buy this in an instant, BUT be prepared for the P2W whines. Which really, this idea is the closest thing to it.
I may be mis-remembering a few details here, but I'm sure I've got the basics right:
At one point in the not-too-distant past, the devs (Castle specifically, I think) were playing with the idea of adding a few more enhancement slots. I want to say it had something to do with complaints that making Fitness inherent meant builds would be "spread too thin."
It was ugly. Game-breaking, so-bad-they-couldn't-even-put-it-on-the-Test-server-because-the-game-actually-didn't-work-anymore ugly. The underlying, undocumented code, created a decade ago by people who left to work for a competing studio and tweaked by other people who also don't work at Paragon anymore, simply won't let them do this. They know because they've tried.
Adding more enhancement slots to the game is basically impossible at this point. It's part of the reason the incarnate system looks like it does.
FUN FACT: That burst of light when you level up is actually the effectiveness escaping from your enhancements all at once.
aside from it being unfeasible code wise, this would be the very essence of pay to win in this game
being able to 6 slot every power is too much power and it makes build making almost moot since you will essentially have unlimited slots
for the sake of balance, definitely unsigned
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
aside from it being unfeasible code wise, this would be the very essence of pay to win in this game
being able to 6 slot every power is too much power and it makes build making almost moot since you will essentially have unlimited slots for the sake of balance, definitely unsigned |
two more set bonuses isnt going to kill anyone.
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You mean ten?
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Originally Posted by RevolverMike
two more set bonuses isnt going to kill anyone.
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eh. bonus for 5 slotting and sometimes 6 slotting are the only ones that matter.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
You mean ten?
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If it were sold in the market, I rather agree.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
aside from it being unfeasible code wise, this would be the very essence of pay to win in this game
being able to 6 slot every power is too much power and it makes build making almost moot since you will essentially have unlimited slots for the sake of balance, definitely unsigned |
If they find a way around the horrific bugs it causes, and want to implement it for free like they originally planned, rather than as a microtransaction? Sure, cool.
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Actually, very often not. Damage, regen, and recovery are often 2-4 slots, and defense is anywhere from 3-6 slots (for some reason my brain thinks there may be a couple 2-slot defenses? but I don't recall)
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Originally Posted by RevolverMike
eh. bonus for 5 slotting and sometimes 6 slotting are the only ones that matter.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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zephyr and rectified reticle if you want to nitpick. but still. you build for defense. you build for recharge. the rest is just filler.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Actually, very often not. Damage, regen, and recovery are often 2-4 slots, and defense is anywhere from 3-6 slots (for some reason my brain thinks there may be a couple 2-slot defenses? but I don't recall)
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I've had builds where extra slots would not just get me a couple more set bonuses, but let me do totally different things with powers that I currently can't slot much or at all.
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Which is why I particularly would love them. Even if it was 3 more that way the 1 I put in health and the 2 in stamina would be taken care of.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
I've had builds where extra slots would not just get me a couple more set bonuses, but let me do totally different things with powers that I currently can't slot much or at all.
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On the contrary, while it may be common to build for defense and/or recharge, it's not always the case. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by RevolverMike
zephyr and rectified reticle if you want to nitpick. but still. you build for defense. you build for recharge. the rest is just filler.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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They tried it. It broke the game. Ergo, not until they get that fixed and, even then, I think the Dev aim was to make it two more slots at certain levels, and that was it.
So, don't get your hopes up.
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Kinetic Combat, both pet recharge sets, Eradication, and few othes disagree with you.
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Originally Posted by RevolverMike
eh. bonus for 5 slotting and sometimes 6 slotting are the only ones that matter.
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To be precise it would have required everyone to respec, which is supposedly really bothersome to a large number of players.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
They tried it. It broke the game. Ergo, not until they get that fixed and, even then, I think the Dev aim was to make it two more slots at certain levels, and that was it.
So, don't get your hopes up. |
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Wasn't it the bug that deleted (not hid, deleted) every purple on a build, though?
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
To be precise it would have required everyone to respec, which is supposedly really bothersome to a large number of players.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Wasn't it the bug that deleted (not hid, deleted) every purple on a build, though?
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I joke. I dont want everyone running around with those things. or do I?
I'm undecided on the matter.
I like that my characters (ones that are finished builds) performance is well above the norm. But than I'm reminded of horrible BAFs. Not sure how people are still capable of doing poorly in those. Just yesterday was on one where we had 17 escapes and the AV's rezzed themselves. All the while in the last fight im waiting for a barrier to be thrown out and wasnt seeing it. Finally spoke up and said something. no answer, no barrier popped. AV's rezzed and sometime during the 2nd wave one was used. Which leads me to question where was that all along. Especially when im playing a fire aura with basically no IO's. So you know I was eating it.
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That was a bug caused by adding the additional slots. According to the devs, a lot more stuff broke as well, much of it on the back-end.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Wasn't it the bug that deleted (not hid, deleted) every purple on a build, though?
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And other things yes. But there was a fix, but the devs explained that many players would go nuts if they had to respec every character. This wouldn't have been a free spec, this would have required a mandatory, as soon as you login respec to deal with the issues the change created.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Wasn't it the bug that deleted (not hid, deleted) every purple on a build, though?
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This is correct. The belief was that slots could be added without much fuss. Unfortunately it turned out that it wasnt "just that easy."|
Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
That was a bug caused by adding the additional slots. According to the devs, a lot more stuff broke as well, much of it on the back-end.
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You guys have a genie in the game. Can't you just ask her for a wish?
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Originally Posted by Black Pebble
This is correct. The belief was that slots could be added without much fuss. Unfortunately it turned out that it wasnt "just that easy."
The game has certain expectations of how things should be. Changing those expectations can have far-reaching consequences that are difficult to foresee. Missing set bonuses, requiring respecs, were just the start. Redefining fundamental expectations is not a trivial task. |
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IF they should ever find a way to break past the code issues of allowing for additional enhancement slots, I would not support them being a market item. I am not a "P2W whiner" as someone earlier in the thread mentioned; I don't have a problem with anything sold in the store currently.
Extra enhancements would, IMO, be the fabled bridge too far. I'd love to be able to earn more enhancement slots in-game however.
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Most sets maybe have one to three bonuses people actively shoot for (generally a combination of recharge, defense and whatever else your build can benefit from (regen, recovery, damage), but that doesn't make the rest of the bonuses automatically insignificant. Take for example Decimation, the set bonus most people want is the 6.25% recharge, but the +hp and +end are really nice as well. I won't be bothered to dig up other examples because it would most likely be a futile attempt to try and make you see other bonuses can also be useful even if you just pick them up as a by-product.|
Originally Posted by RevolverMike
eh. bonus for 5 slotting and sometimes 6 slotting are the only ones that matter.
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And that's not even touching the subject of how being able to slot powers you normally can't frees up other options for slotting powers. If I can finally toss a few slots into Combat Jumping, I might be able to pick up not only the set bonuses of the IO set in CJ, but also change an IO set in another power to include a bonus I didn't previously have, such as additional global recharge from a set that has a weaker +Def bonus.
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I'd have to check all of my accounts but I'm pretty sure I still have characters that I never bothered to respec into inherent fitness cuz they play fine without it.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
To be precise it would have required everyone to respec, which is supposedly really bothersome to a large number of players.
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This would be for the Paragon Market. Purchase up to 10 Enhancement Slots per character. After you have puchased and claimed your slots, you go to a Trainer and slot them in the powers you want slotted.
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