Ask Anything: Ranged Blast and Blaster Manipulation Changes
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Posted on: 2012-06-21 13:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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He's implying that Calibrated Accuracy's stupid, unusably huge overabundance of accuracy, for powers that already have boosted accuracy, continues to be stupid and has, in fact, found a new and exciting way to fail to be any use whatsoever.|
Originally Posted by Roderick
I'm really not sure what you're implying here. You do know that Accuracy and ToHit are two totally serarate mechanics, and slotting all the Accuracy in the world will have no impact on insta-snipe, right?
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So I think he understands that fine.
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Originally Posted by Wonderslug
He's implying that Calibrated Accuracy's stupid, unusably huge overabundance of accuracy, for powers that already have boosted accuracy, continues to be stupid and has, in fact, found a new and exciting way to fail to be any use whatsoever.
So I think he understands that fine. |
I had not understood that joke. I think because I had no idea what those enhancements had for mods. Because I knew it was a Snipe set, and therefore almost certainly useless.
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Actually, Howl is the Tier 3 attack that will be boosted to 80 ft. Shout is Tier 5 and will stay unchanged.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
"Shout" is the T3 single target attack that will get its range boosted. Other than that you are right on.
The devs will be making other changes to the sniper-less sets as necessary, but those changes haven't been defined in detail AFAIK. |
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Where are you getting this information? Only the tier 3 cone attacks are getting a range boost.
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Originally Posted by St_Angelius
It may be Tier 5 over all, but it is Tier 3 single target. for comparison to the other blasts that are getting bosted...
Executioner's Shot = Tier 7 Lancer Shot = Tier 6 Power Burst = Tier 4 Blaze = Tier 7 Bitter Ice Blast = Tier 7 Cosmic Burst = Tier 7 But basicly, it is all the 40ft and 50ft single target blasts that are getting normalized to 80ft. |
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During the stream Arbiter Hawk specifically mentioned those powers by name and specifically pointed out that this was being applied to the 40/50ft Single target attacks.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Where are you getting this information? Only the tier 3 cone attacks are getting a range boost.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
During the stream Arbiter Hawk specifically mentioned those powers by name and specifically pointed out that this was being applied to the 40/50ft Single target attacks.
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Yes...the Tier 3 Single Target attacks. i.e. the standard ranged attacks, like Blaze etc, that have 40ft range. As the Devs realised that this was stupid and are thus correcting it.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Where are you getting this information? Only the tier 3 cone attacks are getting a range boost.
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You are misunderstanding the terminology.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Ah. I couldn't watch the Twitch broadcast because of work; recording still isn't up.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
During the stream Arbiter Hawk specifically mentioned those powers by name and specifically pointed out that this was being applied to the 40/50ft Single target attacks.
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don't make snipes instant under domination. A lot of work was put in to make domination not be so uber by not making it affect damage.
making snipes instant under domination will undo that work and make permadom that much better once again.
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The recording is up, I rewatched with my partner later the same day and is supposed to stay up for 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Ah. I couldn't watch the Twitch broadcast because of work; recording still isn't up.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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No it isn't. It is remotely possible that cone attacks will get their range boosted although personally I really, really doubt it but in any case the powers that we specifically KNOW are getting a range boost are the 40/50ft single target attacks. These are (somewhat confusingly) referred to collectively as "Tier 3 Blasts" because even though they aren't the third power in the set they are the third single target attack.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Actually, Howl is the Tier 3 attack that will be boosted to 80 ft. Shout is Tier 5 and will stay unchanged.
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As for why I doubt cones will get a boost, the devs use a formula for calculating the recharge and endurance costs for AoEs which factors in the size of the AoE. Increasing the range of the cones would increase their area by a significant amount so their recharge would go up and I don't think anyone wants that.
Personally I'm hoping that the various utility and mez powers in the blast sets also get their ranges normalized to 80ft but we shall see.
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The game isn't balanced around IOs, thus things shouldn't be balanced around permadom. It's no different than what Device Blasters will be able to do, except they will do more damage because snipes under domination would have their damage scale reduced quite significantly back to the standard snipe damage range.
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
don't make snipes instant under domination. A lot of work was put in to make domination not be so uber by not making it affect damage.
making snipes instant under domination will undo that work and make permadom that much better once again. |
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I'm probably generally far too charitable in these cases. And definitely in this case.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Don't recall ever asking...and I know you're not the charitable type so...
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One Kisment +6% To Hit will of course be more than enough to increase your To Hit to the required 22%. And those are fairly easy to get.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
On a Defender, Tactics six-slotted with 50+5 ToHit IOs is 21.96% ToHit, just .04% from hitting the magic 22% for InstaSnipe. So my question is:
1. Just how evil are you?* 2. Do you round?** |
Edit: It looks like Analyze Weakness Chance for +To Hit just got more valuable.
Edit: And Siphon Insight.
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BELIEVE me. A lot of players would welcome this change!|
Originally Posted by Arbiter Hawk
It's certainly worth considering! I'd only seen it brought up once before, but we'll look at it. Mental Manipulation has kind of operated in its own paradigm independent of other Blaster Support sets for years, but a lot of that paradigm contributed to making that secondary both powerful and fun to play.
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EDIT: I love the possible snipe Change for Domination! You know Arbiter Hawk...you're a pretty cool dude
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omination is up quite a lot even with just SO's ESPECIALLY when you get into the mid to late game... and on teams...ha! It's oh so sweet. I think that this improvement would easily benefit non perma-doms as well! And if you are a Paying player you can reach perma dom by accident from just slotting reacharge sets, FF procs or Incarnate abilities.
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No, I'm thinking of the right number. Take a look at the Combat Attributes yourself. Accuracy Bonus is listed as a multiplier (base 1.00x without enhancements), while To Hit Bonus is listed as a percentage (base 75% without enhancements), and it's the latter I'm talking about. Neither of them start at 0.|
Originally Posted by Roderick
Thunder_Knight: You're thinking of Accuracy. ToHit is a different mechanic, and is used in a different part of the attack mechanic.
ToHit starts at 0, and isn't reflected in your powers' slotting, because it isn't part of the power, it's the same value for all powers. If you want to see your ToHit value, you'll have to look at your Combat Attributes - that's the only place it shows up. And yes, you were about 12 hours late. But he said he'll be back to read over late responses and try to answer them, so you aren't TOO late, just late. :P |
And my suggestion had absolutely nothing to do with any sets at all. It was simply that the fast snipe animation be a gradual thing, with any To Hit bonus also being treated as an Interrupt Time bonus for snipes (and only for snipes), as opposed to having full "wind-up" animation at +0% to 21.99% To Hit, no "wind-up" animation at +22% To Hit and above, and nothing in between.
Reppu pointed out a page back that it doesn't work that way, that it's all or nothing, but I was asking if it could (or should) be a more gradual transition.
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Yep. Arbiter Hawk can wave his magic wand and boost the ranges of all 40 foot single target attacks to 80 feet, and it will be so. He can't buff the range of cone attacks specifically, without being forced to increase their endurance costs and recharge times accordingly due to the increase in the AoE factor.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
As for why I doubt cones will get a boost, the devs use a formula for calculating the recharge and endurance costs for AoEs which factors in the size of the AoE. Increasing the range of the cones would increase their area by a significant amount so their recharge would go up and I don't think anyone wants that.
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I'm so looking forward to this change...I think it makes Sonic Attack quite appealing than it already is. All you need to do is throw the -KB proc in Shockwave if you're not a fan of KB and you are golden.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Yep. Arbiter Hawk can wave his magic wand and boost the ranges of all 40 foot single target attacks to 80 feet, and it will be so. He can't buff the range of cone attacks specifically, without being forced to increase their endurance costs and recharge times accordingly due to the increase in the AoE factor.
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I saw the recording was up and watched a bit of it just a few hours after the live feed ended. |
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Ah. I couldn't watch the Twitch broadcast because of work; recording still isn't up.
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I used it as reference for some posts I made that night.
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Are 40 foot range powers gone the way of the dodo?
Will newer sets only feature 80 foot range powers?
Was Boost Range considered for elimination from EM and do the Devs view it as problematic?
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I Certainly hope not, I very much enjoy having my archery/energy blaster sniping from the draw distance with her 2 snipes thank you very much! and is very much looking forward to having one of them becoming insta!!
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Was Boost Range considered for elimination from EM and do the Devs view it as problematic?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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Boost Range will be fine.
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I don't think I have a question (that you can answer) right now, but I just wanted to chime in and say that your interests in buffing up Electric Blast's damage (and, eventually, the secondary effects) make me very happy.
I love the set, but I do recognize that it could be more powerful.
I do sometimes wish that we had another blast to choose from instead of VS, but I also recognize and appreciate having that unique variation among the Blaster sets. I guess I sometimes feel like the hold and the energy drain is enough of a variation, hehe.
I am also very excited to see you mention improving Build Up's potential for quicksnipes.
AND... I think increasing the range of the Tier 1 Secondary immobs would be fantastic!!
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Like Reppu said, this is branching to an entirely different power if you have more than 22%, like Titan Weapons momentum or the new Assassin's Strike. Hawk even explicitly mentioned power redirection in a previous post.