So Ms. Liberty is now Positron's Grand-daughter?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-15 09:13 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Someone used Find & Replace!
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So with Anti-Matter and Dominatrix, we're back to that, now?
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Zwillinger assured me the writers take care with their work. Zwillinger was misinformed.
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Mmmmmm-hm.
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I ran this last night, and I didn't get the running souvenier, just the end one. The arc certainly feels like find and replace...
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Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
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Someone used Find & Replace!
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I bet 90% of the time it is fine. I would much rather they find & replace and have us report when it doesn't make sense then them just not make any change.
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They're saving the "not make any change" part for when after we report it.
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I would much rather they find & replace and have us report when it doesn't make sense then them just not make any change.
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I hesitate to ask, but did "y'all" /bug it?
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Well, people can have two grandfathers (maternal and paternal).
That would make Ms. Liberty's father (Patrick Duncan) the son of Positron.
Typical last-naming conventions would defy this, though Patrick Duncan could have been adopted while retaining his old family name.
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Huh.
Once they get this fixed, I'll have to play through this one.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Korith
Well, people can have two grandfathers (maternal and paternal).
That would make Ms. Liberty's father (Patrick Duncan) the son of Positron. Typical last-naming conventions would defy this, though Patrick Duncan could have been adopted while retaining his old family name. |
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Obviously, because the way they have erased Statesman from all content, even before the level range in which he died, Positron has now done all the missions in which Statesman took part in the level range 1-40. One of those missions involved Statesman becoming his own Father. Now Positron has been born in Statesman's place. To recap, now Positron is an incarnate (He's a late bloomer), is his own Father and Ms. Liberty is his granddaughter. Duh.
Numina being evil though? That's just crazy.
The sense making part of this post is not guaranteed higher the 0.1(Legible writing)
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Who said Positron knows about Patrick? It's entirely possible that Patrick was the result of a mistake when Positron was a teenager and the mother (Miss Duncan) had the child without telling Positron.|
Originally Posted by DJ_Korith
Well, people can have two grandfathers (maternal and paternal).
That would make Ms. Liberty's father (Patrick Duncan) the son of Positron. Typical last-naming conventions would defy this, though Patrick Duncan could have been adopted while retaining his old family name. |
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Huh.
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Soap opera-ish, and thus probably anathema to Forum Story Preferences, but I kind of like this ... if nothing else, it ties up a loose plot thread.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Who said Positron knows about Patrick? It's entirely possible that Patrick was the result of a mistake when Positron was a teenager and the mother (Miss Duncan) had the child without telling Positron.
EDIT: Hmm... wonder if I have a spare AE slot! |
(Yes, I'm aware General Forum Belief is that Ms. L's father is Hero One, and that there're things in-game that support this belief.)
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Soap opera-ish, and thus probably anathema to Forum Story Preferences, but I kind of like this ... if nothing else, it ties up a loose plot thread.
(Yes, I'm aware General Forum Belief is that Ms. L's father is Hero One, and that there're things in-game that support this belief.) |
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Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
Dark_Respite's Farewell Video: "One Last Day"
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
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378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
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Once they get this fixed, I'll have to play through this one.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Korith
Well, people can have two grandfathers (maternal and paternal).
That would make Ms. Liberty's father (Patrick Duncan) the son of Positron. Typical last-naming conventions would defy this, though Patrick Duncan could have been adopted while retaining his old family name. |
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Who said Positron knows about Patrick? It's entirely possible that Patrick was the result of a mistake when Positron was a teenager and the mother (Miss Duncan) had the child without telling Positron.
EDIT: Hmm... wonder if I have a spare AE slot! |
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It's been a while since I read up on this, but as I recall, the evidence for the "Hero One as Ms. Liberty's father" theory boiled down to:|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Seriously?! That's a new one to me - I'd love to hear the theories behind this one...
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1) Lore piece: Hero One gave her Excalibur for safekeeping before he left on his suicide mission. Theory: Why would he give it to her in particular unless he had some special connection to her?
2) Lore piece: Ms. Liberty's father is not specified. Theory: The special connection that made Hero One leave his sword with her is that he's her unidentified father.
Note that Ms. Liberty may not have any idea who her father is (under this or any other theory).
I don't recall any other evidence to support this theory, and since CoH characters rarely seem to have more than one romantic interest, Hero One's strongly implied relationship with Lady Suicide- er, Jane- seems to cut against it. On the other hand, you never can tell.
Personally, I consider this theory to belong in the same pile as the forumite belief that "Ms. Liberty is a bloodthirsty, militaristic, borderline-villain maniac," which has been contradicted by the contention that "Ms. Liberty is an unrealistically forgiving neophyte who thinks anyone can be redeemed" that we've seen in a number of places, notably in-game and in the comics.
To put it more simply, the fora have their ideas about characters, the devs have theirs, and players always seem surprised when the devs choose their own. This is only further complicated by the fact that the devs tend to leave ideas sitting around in their heads or in design documents and then seemingly assume they've made their way into the game, only to be surprised when there's a reaction against them when that finally happens for real, due to the years of ingrained forum theory about the character or characters.
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You know, there's an option that allows Positon, Statesman and Hero One to all be her Grand-Parents. It just requires a period of time where Positron was temporarily female.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Soap opera-ish, and thus probably anathema to Forum Story Preferences, but I kind of like this ... if nothing else, it ties up a loose plot thread.
(Yes, I'm aware General Forum Belief is that Ms. L's father is Hero One, and that there're things in-game that support this belief.) |
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Heck, for all we know, Positron is still female ... anyone ever seen any part of Positron, other than the head?|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
You know, there's an option that allows Positon, Statesman and Hero One to all be her Grand-Parents. It just requires a period of time where Positron was temporarily female.
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I propose Praetorian Infernal for the fourth grandparent.
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No he didn't. He gave the sword to Miss Liberty, her mother.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
It's been a while since I read up on this, but as I recall, the evidence for the "Hero One as Ms. Liberty's father" theory boiled down to:
1) Lore piece: Hero One gave her Excalibur for safekeeping before he left on his suicide mission. Theory: Why would he give it to her in particular unless he had some special connection to her? |
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Heck, for all we know, Positron is still female ... anyone ever seen any part of Positron, other than the head?
I propose Praetorian Infernal for the fourth grandparent. |
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At least, according to the new Maria Jenkins arc souvenir, she is. And Numina is evil now too, I guess. Here is the part of the souvenir that mentions this:
"There is a part to underground Praetoria that the Praetorian Infernal calls his own. Here he and Numina performed dangerous rituals on Positron, rituals you and his grand-daughter Ms. Liberty were too late to stop."
I assume that this is all a mistake and that what the devs intended was to have Numina help out in that mission against Diabolique instead of Ms. Liberty. Ms. Liberty only made sense when it was Statesman that had been captured. It would make far more sense in the arc to have people with a personal relationship with Positron come to his aid instead.