Pam is the best.
Loved Jessica playing the "I'm older than you card" on Newlin.
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I was on the fence about whether or not I was going to watch this season but I did tune in for the premiere. None of the character's stories (and they packed in a lot of storylines) were sufficiently compelling to me to return to next week to see where they go next.
And some, *cough* Tara *cough* are just beyond stupid.
Not sure about Eric's "untraceable" cellphone. There are numerous ways to track Eric and them down. Such as having another car following them and keeping a safe distance away or a leak in the organization that was helping to smuggle Bill and Eric.
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Not sure about Eric's "untraceable" cellphone. There are numerous ways to track Eric and them down. Such as having another car following them and keeping a safe distance away or a leak in the organization that was helping to smuggle Bill and Eric.
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Also Eric and his "sister" I'm just gonna assume the same vampire made them and try not to be to creeped out.
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It was already explained in the episode that this was the case. Godric made both of them, so they're only vamp-siblings. Nothing quite as disturbing as Bill having knocked boots with his great-great-great-granddaughter.
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Also Eric and his "sister" I'm just gonna assume the same vampire made them and try not to be to creeped out.
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It wouldn't have surprised me if that was Eric's actual sister. He came from another time so a different set of morals exist for older vampires.
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And some, *cough* Tara *cough* are just beyond stupid.
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But then again, the show is successful, so what do I know?
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Tara in the books is completely different from Tara in the show. In the books, she did not have a screwed up life. It will be interesting to see how Tara is as a vampire. With Tara a vampire and Jason in some type of relationship with the acting vampire queen, it will be interesting to see what steps Sookie takes to balance out the Vampire influence.
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I wouldn't put money on Jason not being a were-panther just yet. If I remember correctly it isn't the first full moon, but you have to go through an entire moon cycle, then the next full moon will cause the first change. I'd find it hard to believe they are taking that aspect out of the Jason story.
Count me as one of the people hoping Tara was dead-dead. I really liked her character season 1, but after season 2 she just turned into a whiney emo mess. I don't see the vamp thing ending well for her at all.
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Count me as one of the people hoping Tara was dead-dead. I really liked her character season 1, but after season 2 she just turned into a whiney emo mess. I don't see the vamp thing ending well for her at all.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
It was already explained in the episode that this was the case. Godric made both of them, so they're only vamp-siblings. Nothing quite as disturbing as Bill having knocked boots with his great-great-great-granddaughter.
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Incest taboos should be grounded in disallowing situations where's there's a lack of consent due to age or familial power. Bill and his long-separated descendant were not raised in the same household. (OTOH, lack of consent with a vampire -- physically, societally, or glamourly is an ever-present problem.)
Most modern folk ground incest taboos wrongly on closeness or directness of relations believing that that cause genetic defects. It doesn't. If two genetically healthy and closely related mammals mate, their children will be as healthy as if they were not closely related. And similarly, if two genetically unhealthy people mate, their children will be genetically unhealthy regardless of closeness of relations.
The reason why people associate incest with birth defects is because of famous cases of incest over many generations in certain royal families where a genetic defect was introduced and never 'weeded out' because the defect wasn't severe enough to stop them from maturing and mating, and because of the societal 'push' to get them mated... to other members of the family who happened to have the same genetic defect. In a non-royal tribe where incest happens regularly, such propping up of a 'bad line' would not normally happen.
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It shouldn't be disturbing. First cousins are more closely related and their mating is legal mostly everywhere.
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Granted, being immortal, if anyone had any descendants before being turned, they're bound to eventually sleep with someone they could be related to. But if you can draw the line so directly as Bill was able to, it's a bit unsettling.
Think of it this way: any vampire over 100 is craddle robbing when they get into a relationship with a human. Being adults though, strips any indecency about that away. But, if you knew that human since they were a child, it starts to get creepy.
I know the two scenarios don't relate directly, but I'm sure for Bill it was about the same once he saw the relationship to his daughter.
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Bill still very much lives by the social mores of the Southern gentleman of the mid 19th century. The thought of having relations with a member of his family no matter how extended doesn't jibe with his upbringing.
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Bill still very much lives by the social mores of the Southern gentleman of the mid 19th century. The thought of having relations with a member of his family no matter how extended doesn't jibe with his upbringing.
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Incest taboos based solely on closeness of relations rather than living in the same household is a very modern convention based on a misunderstanding of genetics that come from the fascination with certain European royal lineages.
Before the modern knowledge of genetics, no humans would think it might be a bad thing if they mated with a close relation they did not grow up with in the same household, for they would have no reason to. And now that we have the scientific reason to give us pause... it's widely misunderstood and applied incorrectly.
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As a Southerner I take offence, good sir!
There actually is a higher risk of morbidity in first cousin to first cousin mating as opposed to non-cousin mating. Mind you the percentage is still relatively small it is about 2x that of non-cousin mating. The numbers in the general population is about 2 percent where in cousin to cousin its around 4 percent for birth defects.
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Ummm.... You know the Southern stereotype is that they have no problems with close relations and underage relations, right? First cousins? Jerry Lee Lewis?
Incest taboos based solely on closeness of relations rather than living in the same household is a very modern convention based on a misunderstanding of genetics that come from the fascination with certain European royal lineages. Before the modern knowledge of genetics, no humans would think it might be a bad thing if they mated with a close relation they did not grow up with in the same household, for they would have no reason to. And now that we have the scientific reason to give us pause... it's widely misunderstood and applied incorrectly. |
Also of note, no matter the geographic area, in urban settings, many fourth cousins marry simply because (1) they don't keep track out to fourth cousins and (2) in those areas, one usually marries within five blocks from where you live.
Guess what that equates out to? Southerners (with their genealogical research leanings) just have a tendency to know exactly who they are marrying.
Edit: side note: I only remember the leggy redhead's scenes. X-)
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Anyone else "not feelin' it" this season so far? Don't get me wrong, it's still on my must watch list but I'm not sure I'm liking this season. It just feels like they are rehashing stuff they've already done before. Russell, Jessica acting like a teenager, someone is a new vamp, were politics, Jason's indiscretions coming back to bite him, vamp politics, etc etc. It seems like they took a survey of all the things that worked in the past and just went with a "greatest hits" season instead of really moving things forward. Maybe these have been set up episodes, but I'm just not that into this year.
Also.......Tara just needs to go. Was hoping Lafayette would have gone through with it. Damn you Sookie.
(And no it's not a "They didn't do this or that in the books" post. I'm perfectly comfortable with the show as a totally different entity)
Edit: and oh yeah, biggest eyeroll moment of the episode: Sanguinistas? Cheeeeesy.
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After watching the 1st episode for season 5 I plan not to watch any other until the full season is out. Forgotten how much I hate the damn cliffhanger endings. Apart from that I feel that Tara has gone through enough pancake that she deserved to be out. Also, Lafayette needs to bounce back and return to his place as my favourite character. ^_^ Much like the honey badger, Lafayette don't give a pancake.
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I'm with ya, it's been kinda meh so far. I hope Russell Edgington spices things up cause he's the only thing holding my interest right now.
I'm just gonna put a quote From Russell himself cause it's awesome and if this seson turns out half decent it will be because of him.
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Okay, two episodes in, and the theories have begun:
My personal crackpot theories are:
- The Authority is responsible for freeing Russell. Why? They need a boogeyman to show the humans that they can provide protection, thus having them flock to the vampire agenda.
- The demon that Jesus had in him has gotten loose, and is partially responsible for the erratic behaviors of several individuals, including Sam, Luna, Terry, and Hoyt. In one of the promos, they showed Lafayette possessed, and in another, was a figure in Hoyt's tee-shirt. I think that the demon is drifting from one to another.
- I think that it's safe to say that Luna's ex-mother-in-law has dire plans for her daughter.
- Got the weirdest feeling that whoever brought the good reverend back did so for a very specific reason.
- The faeries will return maybe by episode 4, with Sookie's Grand-uncle Claude appearing shortly.
Just my thoughts.
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Loving it so far. I'd forgotten how much I love this series.
It was great to see some of Pam's backstory and I'm honestly curious to see how vamp-Tara works out. I'm actually hoping that she'll come to enjoy it and get some of her sassy, life-loving attitude back.
Nora's a bit of a disappointment so far but the Bill and Erik interaction is great. It's nice to see them finally freed from Sookie worship. And I'm loving Chris Meloni's vampire leader so far. Very curious to see what happens with Luna's daughter now. Is she a were, or a shifter or a hybrid of both?
Yeah, it's not perfect but I've missed it from our screens. I doubt anything will top Season 3 and Mr Edginton's over the top attitude but I have no doubt he'll spice this season up a little.
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My only problem with the season so far is that it seems like there are too many major storylines going on:
-The Tara vampire thing
-The Authority (This and Tara are really competing for the title of main plot of the season, despite ads suggesting the Authority is)
-Terry and Patrick
-Jessica, Steve, and Jason
-Sam, Luna, and the were's
-And Russell Edgington, but it looks like they've already made that part of the Authority plotline.
In the future I see a few things happening:
-Luna's gonna get killed. Emma's the new packmaster, being advised and taken care of by grandma Bozeman.
-Sookie and LaFayette will try to glue together a now broken relationship with Tara.
-Tara will become a bad guy, something they toyed with in S4. Or get killed by someone or herself (I'm leaning toward suicide personally)
-Steve Newlin will become Edgington's new Talbot. re-finding love will move Russell to not repeat his schemes that led to him losing Talbot, eventually running into the night with Steve.
-For some reason I cant shake the feeling that Pam's gonna get killed, hence the reveal of her background, creating an emotional investment so her death would be felt.
-Edgington will destroy the authority, Eric and Bill will either kill Edgington or let him go so status quo is reset in vampire-land.
-Fairies will make an appearance this season, toying around with things, but will be more a hint of their being the big bad of S6. and the Fairy sleeping with Andy in S4 was too random to not be something.
-Pam or Nan made Steve. First episode of S5 Pam said she turned someone before, but it didn't go well. Nan's comment to Jessica about becoming a maker in S4 was more of a jab than the truth. Also Nan would turn Newlin as a punishment for being a thorn in the side of her and the Authority. This combined with the fact that the entirety of S4 takes place within a week and a half, Nan had plenty of time to do it in the year between S3 and 4.
k, done dorking out.
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My predictions
-Steve is a member of the rebel vampires
-the rebal vampires are the ones who dug up Russ
-the rebal vampires are the ones who set up Eric and Bill
-at least one council member is a rebal vampire
-Terry encountered something in his tour, that relates to what is going on, and something is wrong with the sergeant
-the Faries have the real scope on the Lilith
-Fairies are related to Vampires somehow
-I don't know how, but Tara will be some sort of reincarnation of Lilith
Well, let's see about tonight's premiere....
Tara is now a vampire... albiet a possibily ****tarded one, to use Pam's awesome lingo.
The Rev is back, and also a vampire. And he's hot for Jason.
Hooray for werewolf politics! Let's all eat a dead guy!
I'm guessing Eric's cell phone isn't as untraceable as he thought it was...
Did I mention Pam is awesome?