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Posted on: 2012-06-09 08:39 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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It's also possible that Hama was a relatively weak waterbender who could only bloodbend with the full moon. |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Same reason Toph was able to figure out how to metal bend. Some folks manifest their abilities in different ways, and improve upon standard techniques. I don't think the Moon has to be full for any ability to bloodbend to surface. The Moon just heightens their abilities, and when it's full, that's when the amount of power most water benders would need to bloodbend is present. Water benders just assumed they could only bloodbend at full moon because that's the only time they ever saw it. Obviously Tarlok is stronger than the average water bender, or even stronger than an exceptional waterbender like Katara.
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Where it's entirely possible that Katarra might have been able to, if she had ever been inclined to. She just never was, because she was horrified at it's use (and ultimately regretted using it the few times that she did).
It was already evident that Katarra was a much stronger waterbender, having been able to break Hama's bloodbending with no experience or practice with the technique.
Katarra (and the others) could simply have accepted Hama's implication that it could only be done under the full moon, because Katarra never cared to test that fact.
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Aang must be dead, because otherwise the next Avatar wouldn't have been born to begin with.
On the YJ revelation - yeah, I actually did call it, but only during this episode itself. It seemed like everything was going wrong with Aqualad's plan, but in a way that Aqualad himself couldn't be blamed for. (Also, I was suspicious about the lack of any sort of wound in Artemis' chest, not even a tear in the outfit)
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With an outfit that tight, it must be self-repairing, otherwise any single rip and the whole thing comes off...|
Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
It seemed like everything was going wrong with Aqualad's plan, but in a way that Aqualad himself couldn't be blamed for. (Also, I was suspicious about the lack of any sort of wound in Artemis' chest, not even a tear in the outfit)
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Also,
"Why you giving bling to my dead girlfriend?"
Well there was a "bloodstain".
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My vote is that Amon is a cyborg. It would give him plenty of motive if his limbs and parts of his body were ferociously mangled by benders to the point where they had to be amputated and reconstructed with clockwork. As for his ability to energybend, it may be more simple than bending. Chi blockers work by cutting off the flow of chi in the body through impact, which doesn't require bending of any sort to impart. This heals, of course, but if the ability to bend could be forcibly severed somehow, then this would allow someone to remove bending from an individual nearly permanently.
I suppose the great thing about the show is that any suggestion, from the simple to the more crazy ones I've seen here, can work.
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Just caught this Episode and I have to say the stakes just got raised. So the reason why Wally and Artemis quit was more not to tip off M'gann with a stray thought, than them needing to live a normal life.
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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Aang must be dead, because otherwise the next Avatar wouldn't have been born to begin with.
On the YJ revelation - yeah, I actually did call it, but only during this episode itself. It seemed like everything was going wrong with Aqualad's plan, but in a way that Aqualad himself couldn't be blamed for. (Also, I was suspicious about the lack of any sort of wound in Artemis' chest, not even a tear in the outfit) |
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We seem to have a setup for M'gann shredding Aqualad's mind, and then realizing that he's a mole *after* turning him into a vegetable.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Illuminatis
Just caught this Episode and I have to say the stakes just got raised. So the reason why Wally and Artemis quit was more not to tip off M'gann with a stray thought, than them needing to live a normal life.
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Posted this in another thread. My theory on Amon.|
Originally Posted by Blood Red Arachnid
My vote is that Amon is a cyborg. It would give him plenty of motive if his limbs and parts of his body were ferociously mangled by benders to the point where they had to be amputated and reconstructed with clockwork. As for his ability to energybend, it may be more simple than bending. Chi blockers work by cutting off the flow of chi in the body through impact, which doesn't require bending of any sort to impart. This heals, of course, but if the ability to bend could be forcibly severed somehow, then this would allow someone to remove bending from an individual nearly permanently.
I suppose the great thing about the show is that any suggestion, from the simple to the more crazy ones I've seen here, can work. |
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Amon is Aangs son who was thought to be a non-bender...however, he is actually able to energybend...therefore, able to take away other peoples bending.
I would assume his relation to Avatar Aang is what makes his resistance to bloodbending possible...or simply that energy bending is the most powerful bending there is...allowing this resistance. |
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Along the same lines, wouldn't there be a similar danger with Nightwing and Artemis herself on the mission? Considering that they were all mind-linked, I wondered why M'gann didn't pick up on the deception. I hope they address this because it seems like a major plot hole.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Illuminatis
Just caught this Episode and I have to say the stakes just got raised. So the reason why Wally and Artemis quit was more not to tip off M'gann with a stray thought, than them needing to live a normal life.
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That doesn't track. Aang showed no special resistance to bloodbending in the flashback. He only broke free by going into the Avatar State.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Amon is Aangs son who was thought to be a non-bender...however, he is actually able to energybend...therefore, able to take away other peoples bending.
I would assume his relation to Avatar Aang is what makes his resistance to bloodbending possible...or simply that energy bending is the most power bending there is...allowing this resistance. |
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Which would actually be a special resistance to bloodbending, no?|
Originally Posted by Inazuma
That doesn't track. Aang showed no special resistance to bloodbending in the flashback. He only broke free by going into the Avatar State.
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Again...it could also be the fact that he is a born energybender...making this the special trait for his resistance.
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I don't see energybending give resistance to bloodbending. Otherwise, Aang would have been able to resist it without going to the Avatar state.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
Which would actually be a special resistance to bloodbending, no?
Again...it could also be the fact that he is a born energybender...making this the special trait for his resistance. |
As far as Amon being Aang's son, Avatarness is not a hereditary trait. It is the accumulated knowledge of all the Avatars. Of course, most of it is encrypted so takes work to obtain the memories. The method of transfer is unknown, but likely has to do with some type of spirit transfer. Therefore, any abilities Aang has as an Avatar would not be inherited by his sons. Airbending would be inherited, but we don't know if energybending would be inherited since it would imply that either bending causes genetic changes (Lin knows metalbending because genetic changes were introduced when Toph learnt metal bending) or energybending is residing in everyone. I prefer bending to be a martial art so if you master earth bending, you can master metal bending. It is just a matter of training rather than genetics. It would also explain the Avatar, the accumulated knowledge of all previous Avatars gives the proper mental training to learn all bending.
As far as Amon being born an energybender, it is possible. Energybending is the primal bending so all benders could only energybend until the other more useful forms were discovered. Energybending is highly dangerous and only used to transfer information and stop a person's ability to bend. Air, earth, fire, and water are far more useful in everyday life.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
It's also possible that Hama was a relatively weak waterbender who could only bloodbend with the full moon.
Where it's entirely possible that Katarra might have been able to, if she had ever been inclined to. She just never was, because she was horrified at it's use (and ultimately regretted using it the few times that she did). It was already evident that Katarra was a much stronger waterbender, having been able to break Hama's bloodbending with no experience or practice with the technique. Katarra (and the others) could simply have accepted Hama's implication that it could only be done under the full moon, because Katarra never cared to test that fact. |
I actually think that Amon is a powerful Energy Builder...it reminds me of...I forgot what martial art it was but there are several elements fire, water, wood, ect but yin and yang are also elements (light and dark) if one is able to master energy bending he is able to move at superspeeds, they will posses super strength and probably some small clairvoyance...this is a rough theory of course.
Also Amon being a robot doesn't really make sense to me since Tarlock did slightly slow Amon down for a few seconds. Unless Amon is a steam powered android or had some other water based fuel inside of him.
Man, the shippers are really having a field day with Legend of Korra. Seems like everyone who could be shipped together have been.
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I disagree about the severity of the plot hole. The mind-linking that has been shown has always been intentional communication only. M'gann needs more intentional focus to actually mind read. Otherwise it would have been no surprise that Sportsmaster was Artemis' father, as Sportsmaster was a known enemy before Artemis even joined the team.|
Originally Posted by Nova Knight
Along the same lines, wouldn't there be a similar danger with Nightwing and Artemis herself on the mission? Considering that they were all mind-linked, I wondered why M'gann didn't pick up on the deception. I hope they address this because it seems like a major plot hole.
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Plus M'gann kinda knows the trust issues that can be raised after talking to Superboy.
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Unfortunately, I haven't watched the show from the beginning so I'm not fully up to speed on the nature of mind-linking. From what you're saying, it sounds like you're right and there's no inconsistency Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ImpulseKing
I disagree about the severity of the plot hole. The mind-linking that has been shown has always been intentional communication only. M'gann needs more intentional focus to actually mind read. Otherwise it would have been no surprise that Sportsmaster was Artemis' father, as Sportsmaster was a known enemy before Artemis even joined the team.
Plus M'gann kinda knows the trust issues that can be raised after talking to Superboy. |
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
I don't see energybending give resistance to bloodbending. Otherwise, Aang would have been able to resist it without going to the Avatar state.
As far as Amon being Aang's son, Avatarness is not a hereditary trait. It is the accumulated knowledge of all the Avatars. Of course, most of it is encrypted so takes work to obtain the memories. The method of transfer is unknown, but likely has to do with some type of spirit transfer. Therefore, any abilities Aang has as an Avatar would not be inherited by his sons. Airbending would be inherited, but we don't know if energybending would be inherited since it would imply that either bending causes genetic changes (Lin knows metalbending because genetic changes were introduced when Toph learnt metal bending) or energybending is residing in everyone. I prefer bending to be a martial art so if you master earth bending, you can master metal bending. It is just a matter of training rather than genetics. It would also explain the Avatar, the accumulated knowledge of all previous Avatars gives the proper mental training to learn all bending. As far as Amon being born an energybender, it is possible. Energybending is the primal bending so all benders could only energybend until the other more useful forms were discovered. Energybending is highly dangerous and only used to transfer information and stop a person's ability to bend. Air, earth, fire, and water are far more useful in everyday life. |
One of the new things we're seeing in this new series is the intermarrying of nations. The first example being that of Aang and Katara. Their oldest child is a water bender and Tenzin, the youngest obviously took after Aang. The other example is Mako and Bolin who must have one parent that was a fire bender and one that was an earth bender. So genetics do have a part to play in who can bend what.
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Originally Posted by Magus_Prime
One of the new things we're seeing in this new series is the intermarrying of nations. The first example being that of Aang and Katara. Their oldest child is a water bender and Tenzin, the youngest obviously took after Aang. The other example is Mako and Bolin who must have one parent that was [of Fire Nation descent] and one that was [of Earth Kingdom descent]. So genetics do have a part to play in who can bend what.
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Benders can be born to non-benders, so it's more accurate to list their nationality than the particular bending style of their nationality.
Neither of Katara's parents were waterbenders, likewise neither of Toph's parents were earthbenders. Bonus points, neither of Korra's parents appear to be benders, and she's the Avatar.
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This may sound a little crazy but I hope that they one day add some complexity to it...it's perfectly normal to have a kid that is mixed straight down the middle (half black half white...if you ignore the stupid one drop rule). I would love to see something like this in the future of avatar...but it seems unlikely.
The only confirmed energy benders in the series have been Aang and the Lion Turtle... both of which placed their hands on the forehead and hearts of the opponents! To bend the mind and will blah blah... This has been repeated when the Lion Turtle did this to Aang, when Aang did this to Ozai, and when Aang did it to Yakone...
Now, if you pay attention to Amon, he doesn't actually use the same technique... He places on hand on the forehead (which I believe is for show) and the other hand is placed on the back of the neck!!! If you search out Amon, its a pressure point located on the back of the neck! Just sayin, it might be related to how he is taking away bending (I bet not permanently)
He was 13 at the end of the original series. 70-75 years have passed between the two series. When he died, Korra was born, and she is now 19.
Yes he was considered to be in his 60, but he wasn't. Since his time in stasis did count against his lifespan, it needs to be included when discussing the overall length of his life.
While he was considered to be in his 60s, he was actually in his 160s, so his life was not short for an Avatar. (If anything it's Avatar Roku who got shafted. He died at 70. The real 70. No stasis shenanigans.)