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I'm sure there will be an ongoing legal dispute, but possession is 9/10ths of the law.

I'm pretty sure this was the case, and Tony had already set up access for Rhodes. It may be that ONLY Rhodes can use the suit though. Tony doesn't trust the government, but he does trust his friend.

Some sort of compromise settlement would seem to be in order, but I doubt that will have happened by the start of IM3.

Maybe. Maybe not.

AIM will probably be the corporation that develops Extremis. Which is then "obtained" by The Ten Rings. Probably will be revealed as a front for Hydra in CA2.

I know I've been banging on about this before, but have you noticed the colour change in the Iron Patriot suit? The comic version is predominantly red, like the Iron Man suit, but the version in the movie shots is predominantly blue, making it closer to Captain America's uniform.

Drunk? Tony was pretty much in alcoholic blackout by that point. Still it's clear that Tony set things up for Rhodey to claim the suit. Also the way Rhodey was operating the suit would indicate that wasn't the first time he suited up. He seemed to have a good grasp on how to move in the suit and fight and access the weapons systems and repulsor rays. Quite likely there was some off screen training.

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In which case since Tony created and possessed the armor at the time Rhodey took it, there has been a major violation of the law.

I would think that Tony and his lawyers could easily make a case for illegal search and seizure, no warrants issued, and point out to the courts that the govt. was infringing on Tony's rights by threatening to take the armor from him at gunpoint.



. Well Senator Shandling is pretty much off Tony's back now and has no clout or basis to launch another board of inquisition against Tony thanks to IM2 and now especially the Avengers. It's a little hard to prosecute a guy who saved New York from a NUKE as well as being part of a team that just repelled an alien invasion.

I could easily see an executive order from the Oval Office being issued for the armor to be returned to Tony. Or else Rhodey could always decide to pull a fast one and visit Tony and while out of the suit Tony attaches a Negator Pack from the Armor Wars story line onto it and short it out. Rhodey could then file a report with Tony backing it up stating that it was preprogrammed sabotage by Hammer.

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Not that strong a case, since Rhodes was an invited guest, who had clearly been granted access. He was mealy acting to protect the public by removing dangerous equipment from the possession of someone who was drunk and disorderly.

It would be a lengthy court battle to settle anything one way or another, and in the meantime the suit would remain in the possession of the army or the courts. As far as the law is concerned, preventing New York being destroyed by a nuke has no bearing on the case whatsoever.

Now it's clear that SHIELD (which has far more power than it constitutionally should) could intervene, but it would be more in character for Nick Fury to broker a compromise solution.

The governments attempts prior to Tony drunk in the armor could be questioned. The Senator launches an inquiry, Tony shoots the inquiry down by showing evidence that no other country is close to making a version of his armor. Later after the Whiplash attack, the Senator spearheads another attempt to get the armor that results in Rhodey warning Tony that the military is going to come and seize the armor by force. Tony wasn't drunk or disorderly at this point and I don't feel that the govt. had enough grounds to seize the armor by force.

Rhodey needing to shut Tony down, yeah that needed force.

Tony later sobers up, gets info from Fury and then creates the new element thus finishing his father's tesseract research. He cleanses himself of the paladium poisoning and stops Vanko and his drones, saving the day, discrediting Hammer and gets a medal.

Sometime after that, Tony again shows that he is a hero by fighting alongside the Avengers to save the world itself.

So yes, Tony had a bad moment as it were by being drunk in the armor, but he was dying and he knew it and wanted his last birthday to be a blast. He was competent in the armor prior to that and after that.

I don't see the govt. having much justification to seize the armor, and hopefully Vanko's drone army showed just how dangerous such technology can be when it truly IS in the wrong hands.

But the War Machine armor in the movies is still an Iron Man armor created by Tony Stark and only modified by Hammer. If Tony truly wants to I'm quite sure he can shut down the armor, either by a negator pack frying the circuits or else since the armor runs on software that Tony designed, he could likely remote in and use special access codes to make the armor disengage from the wearer and shut down.

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Completely irrelevant to the law.

Pretty much the opposite. If I was that drunk ONCE in a CAR I would be disqualified from driving. The suit is far more dangerous than a car. Vanko has proved that the suit tech can be reproduced by foreign powers, and therefore need to be in the "right hands" which would be the US army, at least in their opinion (and probably that of a court of law).

I'm sure he could, but that wouldn't do his friendship with Rhodes much good, or stop him being arrested for being drunk in charge of an aircraft*.

*a more plausible legal description for the suit than "prosthesis".

That's not the original Mk2 armour on display.

But not the court of public opinion. Tony Stark and the Avengers, even the HULK, are now viewed as heroes by pretty much the entire world. Tony already had a reputation as being a hero as Iron Man thanks to the end results of IM2.

So, how many politicians or lawyers or judges would really think that they could haul Stark or any of the Avengers into a court to answer charges of any kind? Of course trying to get the HULK into a court would be fun to watch........

Lawyer asks Banner a question, Banner smiles and turns into the Hulk...."Can you repeat the question please, puny lawyer?"

Also I suspect a large public outcry would occur if Tony or the Avengers were brought up on charges. "They saved the world and you want to prosecute them????"

As much as I respect the military, I do not think I would want them mass producing fully functional Iron Man/War Machine armor for the soldiers. Making armor of the same or similar alloy for protection of the soldiers yes, but full flight or repulsor capacity or weaponizing them as War Machines? A bit too much power I would think.

Plus the military would have to risk reverse engineering the arc reactor in the War Machine suit to see if they can reproduce it. If they fail and the arc reactor is wrecked in the process, then the War Machine armor becomes useless.

Well Tony I suspect trusts Rhodey with the suit, it would be the people above Rhodey that Rhodey answers to that Tony would have a problem with. That could cause problems with them that could lead Tony to trying to reclaim or else slag the armor.

Aircraft could be used to define the armor, but prosthesis could also apply. The armor is designed to compensate for Tony's injuries be it his damaged heart or long ago in the comics when a nutty ex-girlfriend shot Tony and left him unable to walk. He eventually retools the armor to allow him to walk, run, etc while suited up.

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Would it be generally understood that the events of Avengers were actually a world-wide threat? All the bad guys actually did was shoot up New York; most folks may not realize how much worse it could have been.

So is it possible that we could have this villain



Played by this actor in IM3?

Interesting. That would be amusing.
Oh, and adapting some of Livewires, especially some of the dialogue, for an Iron Man movie would be interesting. BUT, it depends on whether the Livewires characters were created under a work-for-hire contract or as creator-owned characters. Marvel is much less likely to use Livewires material if they have to share any proceeds with someone else.

Apparently Warren Ellis isn't even receiving any credit for the Extremis elements of the movie since he wrote that storyline as a work-for-hire and has no ownership claims to it at all. (Which Ellis is perfectly fine with and understood when going into it. He does mention that it's also why he generally avoids work-for-hire gigs in comics.)

I would think most would realize that New York was only the first target and that if it wasn't stopped there then the world would be next.

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I suspect his name will at least be in the credits of the movie just like Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Bob Layton, JIM STARLIN (creator of THANOS).........

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Where there is AIM there could indeed by MODOK but I suspect it would be a CGI MODOK vs someone in what would likely be an uncomfortable costume.

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Hopefully. The last time i read his blog he said he wasn't being credited in the movie, but it's still in production so that's hardly certain.

yeah...good point about the cgi...would avoid messes like this:

Sorry the first thing I think of when you suggest an actual actor's face as MODOK is this ...



Not a good idea ... no not at all.

Well for the first movie the crazy exotic would be the miniature arc reactor. Tony refused to let the engineers study it, and Stane yells at the one guy "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!" The guy's response "I'm sorry, but I'm not Tony Stark!" (they should have added "So there! nyah!" to that line)

IM 2 shows other countries and Hammer trying to make armor tech but they don't have the miniaturization that Stark brings to tech, and they don't have a mini arc reactor for a power source. Vanko comes along with his own mini-arc reactor tech, but the drones were still Hammer tech and thus while tough they were not up to War Machine or Iron Man tech levels. Only sheer force of numbers made them such a major threat but when it came down to crunch time, Rhodey and Tony do the double visor clank and proceed to rip the drones up. Vanko then arrives in his Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash armor and he is a major threat that took both of them to stop.

Stark now should still have the miniature arc reactor tech but now he also has the new element that he made from his father's notes, so he still has the superior power source that no one can reproduce at this time. Combine that with the fact that no one can miniaturize circuits and weapons like Tony can and Iron Man is still the superior tech.

If Tony ends up supplying standard sized arc reactors to the world to provide clean energy and remove nuclear power then he may open the door for someone to to be able to study and miniaturize it, but the secret of the new element that powers it is Tony's only.

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Sure the military is making Iron Man inspired armor, at least for mobility and carrying heavy loads, but actual armor with integrated weapons systems I suspect is not coming soon. Also there is the power requirements.

In the movies the Arc Reactor supplies power to all armor functions as well as keeping Tony's heart beating, at least that is how it was in IM 1, I would think after Stane yanking it out of him inspired Tony to have an arc reactor in each suit in his lab as well as the one in him as we saw in IM2. Both reactors likely link up and work in tandem since we saw in Avengers that Tony pretty much used up 99.9% of his power and plunged back to Earth to be saved and then revived by the Hulk. It took Tony some time to get mobile after that likely due to the reactor needing build up more power.

The new element makes the arc reactor more efficient and brings it up to the full potential as envisioned by Howard Stark. Paladium was the best substitute Howard could use due to the tech of his time. As to Tony sharing the new element......well hopefully with a few dozen security precautions in place. He saw in IM1 that his weapons were being misused and IM 2 showed what could happen if the Iron Man tech got out of control. Avengers shows he is testing the arc reactor with the new element on a larger scale by powering Stark Tower, but will Tony be paranoid and not release the clean energy to the world due to fear of it being twisted into a new weapon? Stane did say to Tony as he was pulling the reactor from him "imagine the next generation of weapons powered by these..." or something similar. Tony may not be very willing to share mini-arc reactor tech with anyone after that. Arc Reactor power plants however....

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looks very military.....then again this could just be a work in progress too....

Here's a better close-up shot: