Hybrid I am disappoint

While it seems I normally agree with ya, PrincessD, in this case, I just don't see it, and have to agree with Hope. Damage tends to come in spikes, and having an excellent burst of survivability is a phenomenal tool. People chase the Archmage/Demonic accolades for a reason. That burst of survivability is even better if it's crashless.

That said, on Hybrid as a whole, I think it's very much on par with the other Incarnate slots. I think the reason it may seem underwhelming is that it's our sixth one available. I mean, a well IOed incarnate only has so many holes to plug. If the incarnate abilities keep getting stronger, that's a huge problem if they are allowed to be used in regular lvl 50 content (well, maybe that genie may well already be out of the bottle, but ramping up in power isn't really a good thing regardless). If they don't get stronger, well, how much better than running on +4/x8 at breakneck full speed can you really get?
I think that if Hybrid came earlier, and say, Destiny came 6th, then we'd have folks complaining about Destiny being underwhelming. At least that's my take on the value of Hybrid.

So, given that...

Yeah, I can afford, as things now stand, to not obsess over getting Hybrid. I don't enjoy the iTrials overmuch, and when I do, I don't want to run one over and over. So I'll just do DA stuff, and the other 1/2 dozen iTrials and get the other 5 slots on my scads of incarnates and not worry about Hybrid until there are 2 or 3 other trials (or a solo path, even) that give Advanced Psychic Incarnate XP. So, Hybrid, isn't worth it to me because it doesn't fill a need that wasn't filled elsewhere, and is forcing me through a bottleneck I don't want (and don't need) to navigate. It *is* worthwhile, equally so to the others, but since I can't choose to get it earlier on some alts, and since it's the most limited path, and will always be last in sequence obtained among the slots we now have, I'm more than willing to just shelve it for now,and concentrate on getting the other 5 slots filled on a bunch of my other 50s that aren't all fully incarnated.

Obviously, if you're more hardcore a completionist than I, or are less alty than I, or if you enjoy the iTrials more than I, your mileage will vary a great deal, and that's OK.. To each their own...

I think your point is well made. I just don't agree. I think it's a big enough boost to help in those critical situations, and lasts long enough to get you through them usually, and is up pretty often, often enough that is should be available a lot of the time in those situations.
But, I'll go ahead and kick the foundation out from my position by admitting that I'm only looking at the numbers and comparing it to other powers I'm familiar with. I've not actually used Hybrid, so I could be way off base. But the numbers don't look horrible next to Archmage or some of the tier 9 powers (or even some of the APP/PPP powers).

I may change my mind when I get to play with this toy, however.

But, again, it may come down to play style.

Edit: Of course, it's impact may also be affected by the build it's used on, too.. I could be picturing it's use on one type of build, and your test samples could be on a very different type of build..

Get a room, you two! ;P

I'm not terribly disappointed with the slot, I mean a boost is a boost, but frankly I do kinda feel like this should have been an earlier slot for it's general strength and usage. It's cool, but it's still definitely outshone by previous powers, which I kind of think is going to be the biggest problem going down the line. We all expect the powers to be bigger, badder, more flashy and SPECTACULAAAAAAAAR. When they may have given us some of the biggest and flashiest (also easiest to design) powers from the get go.

Well for hybrid saying it was changed in beta based on player feedback is not false but almost everyone suggested a lower endurance cost instead of high one to equalise the builds. It was devs decisions to make it halfbaked first but becuase of huge criticism they decided to add passive boost which somewhat diminshed but not eliminated negative feedback.

I guess after that point devs decided to see what will happen in live rather than make another change to hybrid since i23 launch getting close. So we got ourself halfbaked incarnate power while devs decided to put what everyone expecting as hybrid in the form of amplifiers in the beta paragon market.

Frankly speaking I won't bother with hybrid other than my main which already opened and slotted with a T4, I will just wait for amplifiers and hope that they can be purchased by reward tokens and hope genesis won't be a failure like hybrid (fat chance)

On a comparision assault tree's are worse than muscularate alpha's by a long shot and assault maybe the best choice unless you have pets. Melee is too situational and in anycase you need it you can use rebirth or barrier destiny and get much better result, control is too restricting and support is meh unless you have pets and only using them and it is still situational and having leadership pool is much better choice.

Hybrid is a major disappointment.

Hybrid fails it's purpose. It does not hybridize.
A Liger is a hybrid. It is part lion, part tiger.
It is not a lion for 12 hours a day and then a tiger for the other 12. That wouldn't make it a hybrid.

Beyond that, it generally rewards one more for doubling down on an existing strength rather than actually hybridizing.

Further disappointing and infuriating is that the devs dismissed and ignored the feedback they asked for and got. The majority of people who voiced an opinion were against it being essentially a click with downtime. Few, if any, actively wanted it to be a click rather than a toggle, they just didn't want excessive end requirement. The rest simply did not care either way. Any resulting "compromise" made was not for the players' sake, but for the devs own. Considering the power is supposed to be for the players and not them, I think the players desires should have taken precedence. I don't really care what the devs want because ultimately the power is supposed to be there for us to chase and if "being OP" is suddenly a concern, they shouldn't have started the damn Incarnate system in the first place, because that is the very premise of it.

Not to mention that the "cloggles" are buggy and have several issues that still haven't been resolved, Live or in the latest beta patch.

Two weeks after earning it now, I've clicked Hybrid maybe twice. It's not worth the effort and taking advantage of it is just a hassle. It doesn't add to or improve my play experience because managing yet another click is the last thing I wanted/needed.
I think Hybrid ended up as garbage and should go to the trash pile.



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Personally, I'm finding it fantastic, when it's up. When it's not up, obviously it does nothing for me, which isn't exciting at all. I'm not a fan of it working like that, but then, given the mileage I'm getting out of picking the right one of my characters, I guess I'm not surprised.

Really, the only hybridizing Hybrids, at least IMO, are Melee and Control. Assault doesn't really hybridize anyone, as everyone is capable of doing damage, and Support isn't that much more hybridizing than taking Leadership. (Obviously it's more powerful in general.) Mostly, I've been sticking Melee on my melees and Control on my already control-centric characters.

That said, I might grab Control Radial on at least one melee who has some trouble with runners and for whom I don't feel Melee Radial is the right fit.

I'm actually getting Melee hybrid for a few of my Defenders who often play in melee (Kin and Rad in particular). So in that sense I am getting some hybridization out of Hybrid.