Hmmm, teams I've been on have gone 2-0 so far, so I don't see the difficulty. Maybe it's a matter of going in responsibly level shifted? It seems pretty straightforward...almost too much so.
It's not that bad.
The first part is a cakewalk of mowing through mobs.
The second part is more piling onto big hit point targets then using Quills.
It will be grindy and tedious if you run it on a 51 that has just unlocked Destiny and Lore. On a 53 with multiple T3/T4 you will roll your face across keyboard for most part.
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you need a team with alot of debuff and dps.
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
It's not that bad.
The first part is a cakewalk of mowing through mobs. The second part is more piling onto big hit point targets then using Quills. It will be grindy and tedious if you run it on a 51 that has just unlocked Destiny and Lore. On a 53 with multiple T3/T4 you will roll your face across keyboard for most part. |
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I've seen this complaint about almost everything that's not trivially easy in the game. Hamidon trial, every iTrial, STF and LRTF, etc.
And within a couple of weeks, people eventually figure it out and they pretty much never fail.
So yeah, color me not worried.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
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Or a quick, enjoyable gem of a Trial if the league knows what it's doing - just like every other Trial |
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Its slow, painful wreck of trial
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Im not touching this trial again with a 39 3/4ft pole|
Originally Posted by TonyV
I've seen this complaint about almost everything that's not trivially easy in the game. Hamidon trial, every iTrial, STF and LRTF, etc.
And within a couple of weeks, people eventually figure it out and they pretty much never fail. So yeah, color me not worried. |
Ill wait for IXP on DA mobs..
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Or a quick, enjoyable gem of a Trial if the league knows what it's doing - just like every other Trial
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The problem is its the ONLY trial that unlocks hybrid, so your forced to do it. So no matter how muich you dislike it, you have to do it.
That is BAD game design.
Also Im glad you have a regular league, for those of us who do pickup leagues, its fail fail fail.. oh and its blocking any other trials from being run.
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Agreed, but once people get it down it will be farmed.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
you need a team with alot of debuff and dps.
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DPS/Debuff is the holy duality of this game...enough +3s/Corrs/Controllers/etc. etc will do wonders. If you enter the trial with a mixed bag of +1s/any AT in zone it will likely fail.
That said, you can just farm the first part for IXP, disband, re-form and farm the first part for IXP again until everyone has Hybrid slotted. I'm expecting this to be SOP until Hybrid is well-slotted.
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Now this, I'll grant. Having to run and re-run this raid 5-6 times to unlock the slot, with no way to do it other than running and re-running it 5-6 times does not help to endear it as anything other than an "okay, let's get this out of the way" sort of thing. In that regard, it's like the blueside Midnighter arc, only you have to cure 150 Lost instead of 15.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
The problem is its the ONLY trial that unlocks hybrid, so your forced to do it. So no matter how muich you dislike it, you have to do it.
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Well you can get Midnighter access now just by doing the introduction into Night Ward. It awards from entering the Midnighter mansion there...so I am never, ever, ever doing that arc again as long as I have VIP status. |
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Now this, I'll grant. Having to run and re-run this raid 5-6 times to unlock the slot, with no way to do it other than running and re-running it 5-6 times does not help to endear it as anything other than an "okay, let's get this out of the way" sort of thing. In that regard, it's like the blueside Midnighter arc, only you have to cure 150 Lost instead of 15.
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I suspect this trial will go into the unrunnables once most people hybrid up, then no one will be able to earn ixp..
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Agreed, but once people get it down it will be farmed.
DPS/Debuff is the holy duality of this game...enough +3s/Corrs/Controllers/etc. etc will do wonders. If you enter the trial with a mixed bag of +1s/any AT in zone it will likely fail. That said, you can just farm the first part for IXP, disband, re-form and farm the first part for IXP again until everyone has Hybrid slotted. I'm expecting this to be SOP until Hybrid is well-slotted. |
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Devs will adjust down if not enough people run it.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
I suspect this trial will go into the unrunnables once most people hybrid up, then no one will be able to earn ixp..
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Underground Trial was in the same boat as was Keyes and look at Keyes now...it's no harder than a Respec Trial or whatnot. UG is still fairly grindy but it's doable.
Give it a few weeks Shubbie and it will either be rote-run or adjusted downward in difficulty.
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It would be fine if you could earn ixp another way.|
Originally Posted by Neuronia
Devs will adjust down if not enough people run it.
Underground Trial was in the same boat as was Keyes and look at Keyes now...it's no harder than a Respec Trial or whatnot. UG is still fairly grindy but it's doable. Give it a few weeks Shubbie and it will either be rote-run or adjusted downward in difficulty. |
but you cant and just griding the first part makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
Also the first step to any nerf is complain early, complain often.
The grognards whined their brains about it being too easy so we get something the normal player cant do...
BRILLIANT
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Or ignore it for a while until the devs finally push out some solo/small team stuff or antoher way to get Advanced iXP. Just in time for Superadvanced iXP, then iXP DeLuxe....
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
All ive seen is complaints on the channels...
The problem is its the ONLY trial that unlocks hybrid, so your forced to do it. So no matter how muich you dislike it, you have to do it. |
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I don't - I'm on all the servers, and just hop on PUGs or use the TUT to join Trials |
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Also Im glad you have a regular league
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Heck no. This is one of the easiest and most straightforward trials. This will be part of the daily rotations. It is fast, simple, and high reward. I expect the reward may get lowered in the future.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
I suspect this trial will go into the unrunnables once most people hybrid up, then no one will be able to earn ixp..
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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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We will have more ways to earn it, probably in i24.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
It would be fine if you could earn ixp another way.
but you cant and just griding the first part makes me want to gouge my eyes out. Also the first step to any nerf is complain early, complain often. The grognards whined their brains about it being too easy so we get something the normal player cant do... BRILLIANT |
It's almost like the slot is completely new and not well established in the system like the others .
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3/4 of the teams running it are failing it.|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Heck no. This is one of the easiest and most straightforward trials. This will be part of the daily rotations. It is fast, simple, and high reward. I expect the reward may get lowered in the future.
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Most on channels arent going to run it again.
its a cruddy trial..
Ill cancel and wait the only reason to be subscribed is incarnate since thats out for now, Ill unsubscribe and wait.
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A Hamidon Trial? It'd makse sense for the 2 biggest threats to the people of Praetoria to award the same kind of IXP |
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
We will have more ways to earn it, probably in i24.
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If you are trying to use incentives to force people to do something thats not fun...|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
We will have more ways to earn it, probably in i24.
It's almost like the slot is completely new and not well established in the system like the others . |
your game design is BAD!
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The first two trials I joined failed, but most everyone was still learning. After that, the leagues I was on were coordinating their Lore use and putting the lights out efficiently.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
3/4 of the teams running it are failing it.
Most on channels arent going to run it again. its a cruddy trial.. Ill cancel and wait the only reason to be subscribed is incarnate since thats out for now, Ill unsubscribe and wait. |
I did fail one last one, but that had a new leader who gave slightly less instructions and, IMO, missed the Lore call. Simple mistakes and learning how the trial works. Once leaders know better, it will be smooth sailing.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
What I saw of the trial when I ran it the one time I ran it.. it seemed fun. Really it did. I enjoyed my slideshow presentation of the trial, and I had a nice intermission during the Chimera AV fight. After the intermission and the trial resumed I got back and Tyrant had almost been defeated and the city was in ruins. Tyrant must have thought I was working too hard though and laid my character down for her nap each and every time she stood up.
All joking aside my actual issues are not something the Dev can fix with the trial in that for a low end system the trial is just very very laggy like 1-5 fps lag during the kill 250 mob mission and its just worse on a full league. I crashed not even making it to the Chimera fight. It does get better once you get to the destroyed parts of the city then the frame rates drastically increased (and drastic I mean in the range of 12-15fps) but the sheer graphics of all the other players and their powers were hiding whatever it was that was killing me in the final fight.
My suggestion is that in the future when you release a trial like this, release an incarnate story arc and allow both the trial and arc to award xp towards the slot. The arc will be far slower but at least its an option. The Emperors Sword would have been a good arc for this sort of idea. This way players are given an option not just for solo play but also if they don't meet the system requirement to do a trial but do meet the requirements to play most other aspects of the game. I didn't know how the trial was going to play out until I tried it, some trials are laggy and others are not all that bad for me. Now that I know the extent of this trial its just above and beyond my low end system I won't be doing the trial for now and will be waiting until either another trial is added or a solo path is added to unlock the hybrid slot, or I get a new computer.
Overall though it was an interesting experience and the trial did seem fun and the others running the trial did seem to be enjoying themselves.
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Well, they could of added the Magistrium trial, had it award no iXP, and wait until they aded a few more trials to use this New iXP and THEN release the Hybrid slot.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
If you are trying to use incentives to force people to do something thats not fun...
your game design is BAD! |
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Basically endgame raids are bad game design.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
If you are trying to use incentives to force people to do something thats not fun...
your game design is BAD! |
That other game has the advantage of being able to dangle gear with minimal increases over the last raid in front of the players and gear resets to get people caught up. With the Incarnate system the devs will have a Gurren Lagon power spread, from comically small to throwing galaxies around.
Can't stand iTrials, if I want a raid grind I still have my sub to the one that has the money and manpower to do it, and grinding DA burned me out after just T3 Alpha, Interface, and Judgment with a whopping 30% into the next two on one character.
Then do the exact opposite, thats what running the Magi trial is like.
Its slow, painful wreck of trial and the ONLY one that unlocks hybrid. Ive seen some bad trials, but this is by far the worse, maybe Voiced leagues can do this, but every single pickup league fails this trial.
Congrats devs........
No wonder they were calling for AT's the only real way to do this is to stack corruptors.
unpleasant, not fun and required....... BRILLIANT!
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