Can't agree with that at all. The nukes should be useful (and IMHO are) even without the Incarnate levels. Especially since we get them earlier (as soon as 32.)
Frankly, I'd rather see the Judgement powers get (ahem) nuked outside of Incarnate content. 1/2 the damage, longer recharge, hard target cap of 5 or so unless you're in Incarnate content. Inside, they can be crash-free, End-free, have the higher caps, etc, etc etc. like they do now. The content THERE is designed for it.
Do *not* tie them to grinding Incarnate nonsense.
As far as nukes? I'm fine with them crashing - wouldn't argue with more damage on the Defender versions (after all, bigger cost/risk = bigger gain, and you're losing the END to buff/debuff for the team.) The benefits should be worth the risk/crash on the armors, as well.
Besides, what would you do with things like, oh, Rise of the Phoenix? Or for that matter, non-nuke/non-crashing Tier9s?
neither suggestion would make me very happy.
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I'm waiting for the rest of the list.
I keep hearing that Steelclaw lists are funny.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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I'm waiting for the rest of the list.
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I'd rather just see the crash removed period. No bells or whistles or hoops to jump through. Just cut the crashes out.
Steelclaw?
Arguing for level 50-specific QoL changes?
Did I fall down a rabbit hole into Praetoria or something?
As to the topic at hand, nukes probably need looked at in some form, but whatever is done needs to be done to the powers themselves, and not tied to Incarnate abilities.
I mean, Stalkers got buffed, but was it mandatory to level a Scrapper to play a buffed Stalker? This suggestion seems similar to that idea.
To address this list business once and for all.
I am retired. I agree with all my apparently many and very vocal detractors that I am not funny. I publicly apologize for every attempt at humor I have ever done in the past on these forums as they were quite obviously misdirected and foolhardy.
While I am still playing the game itself, I believe this will be my last post on the forums. It is no longer fun here. I had fully intended not to write a good-bye post as they always strike me as self-serving and attention-grabbing. Unfortunately, it appears I can not even make a serious post that wasn't intended to be funny at all without people telling me "that wasn't funny."
So be it.
Thank you, Memphis Bill, for at least responding to the actual subject of my thread and not turning this into some sort of personal attack.
For those who believe this is a joke of some kind, you will be waiting a very long time for the punchline.
My mind wanders so often you've probably seen its picture on milk cartons. - Me... the first person version of the third person Steelclaw
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While I am still playing the game itself, I believe this will be my last post on the forums. It is no longer fun here. I had fully intended not to write a good-bye post as they always strike me as self-serving and attention-grabbing. |
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Unfortunately, it appears I can not even make a serious post that wasn't intended to be funny at all without people telling me "that wasn't funny." |
I had comments about your suggestion in my post initially but decided to remove them since I couldn't find any wording that didn't make the response sound harsh or condescending. I just left the light-hearted comments about the lists as the entirety of the post.
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Thank you, Memphis Bill, for at least responding to the actual subject of my thread and not turning this into some sort of personal attack. |
A few people made some light-hearted comments but there were no personal attacks.
You are reading things into posts (at least my posts) that aren't there.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Honestly, the "I hear they're supposed to be funny" *could* be taken either way - as anticipation or as an implied "And I'm still waiting for one to be." When there's a followup of "They are?" ... well... I can definitely see that being how it was read. |
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I didn't say "that wasn't funny" nor did I see anyone else see that. I saw a few light-hearted comments about your previous posting history (at least the posts I'd seen).
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And we don't know what else he's been told, how often or by who, either. If he's been getting beaten down by a bunch of "that's not funny, quit wasting time and stop posting" replies, it'd certainly get him in the mindset that would get him to leave. Or read what you intended as a positive, or at least neutral, response as a negative.
/shrug
I've just gotten tired of seeing smileys in almost every post on the forums. I've stopped using them unless I poach them from elsewhere.
When I'm at work, as I was when I made that post, I have less access to sites that might have the images I want to use.
I've edited out enough comments tonight, I'm going to stop now before I decide to quit editing my own posts.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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/shrug
I've just gotten tired of seeing smileys in almost every post on the forums. I've stopped using them unless I poach them from elsewhere. |
As for the rest... like I said, we don't know what else he's had thrown at him. I'd say don't worry about it.
I'm not talking about just GG, I'm talking about everywhere.
As for the rest ... like I said, I've edited out enough comments tonight, I'm going to stop now before I decide to quit editing my own posts.
EDIT: I should re-word something I said earlier. I'm trying not to use them unless I poach them from elsewhere. I don't always suceed.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
I was reading... I have an invu toon and I would like that they would up the T9 power to lose no hp and no stamina but... It would be overpower ...
Even if your suggestion is appealing I can't agree on it. Unless some future incarnates lines would be devoted to such bonuses of T9 buffs.
EDIT: I guess PVPers asking for up to avoid death and some others asking nerf on judgement for same reason... Bad suggestions based on only personnal motivations on my mind. Other players want to keep their fun so I can't agree. Btw I pvp also... and dieing is part of any game there is no "I WIN BUTTON"...
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Um... too little too late, I guess, but I always thought the lists were funny. (I'm sure most people did. It's just that the vocal people, the ones more likely to reply, tend to be jerks)
Anyway, I guess one could argue that the Nukes have a crash because they're weaker than Judgement blasts.
In other words, the tier-9 Nukes are a last-ditch giving-it-your-all blast from a "mortal", while Judgement is a casual blast by a "god". (I use the terms in quotes loosely, of course)
It's like the Human Torch's Nova Flame vs. Darkseid's Omega Effect. The latter is much more powerful, but performing a Nova Flame leaves Johnny exhausted and on the verge of passing out while the Omega Effect doesn't tire Darkseid out at all.
In fact, I seem to remember reading that the Nova Flame (and similar last-ditch comic superpowers) were the model for the Tier 9 blasts, but I may be mistaken about that.
(That said, I can also see a case for reducing - or even removing - the crash on the "mortal" attacks once you become a "god")
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EDIT: I guess PVPers asking for up to avoid death and some others asking nerf on judgement for same reason...
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
To address this list business once and for all.
I am retired. I agree with all my apparently many and very vocal detractors that I am not funny. I publicly apologize for every attempt at humor I have ever done in the past on these forums as they were quite obviously misdirected and foolhardy. While I am still playing the game itself, I believe this will be my last post on the forums. It is no longer fun here. I had fully intended not to write a good-bye post as they always strike me as self-serving and attention-grabbing. Unfortunately, it appears I can not even make a serious post that wasn't intended to be funny at all without people telling me "that wasn't funny." |
First off, let me just say that I always thought you posts were hilarious and very well constructed when they were meant to be jokes. And while you had rather few serious posts that I recall, they too were well put (though, as in this post, I didn't always agree).
Sad to see ya go, but I have to say I am surprised at your reactions. Never woulda thought such a funny guy was so thin-skinned to let a few morons ruin his fun.
Also, with the shere volume of funny posts you have made, can you really blame people when they look at a serious post and say "where's the joke?"
I certainly hope they don't do anything with Judgement. I've worked a good bit to get a tier 4 on 15 of 21 of my 50s. It would irk me to no end to have them change the rules on me.
As for the blaster nuke -end crash, it's simply a non-issue. Pop a blue and a geas of the kind ones, and you're right back where you were in seconds.
It's not broken, don't fix it.
Now, if they took the end crash away, I wouldn't mind a bit, but it's certainly not crippling any of my blasters.
The whole point to the incarnate grind is to enter non-incarnate missions and actually be super. (for me, anyway)
"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
@Ukase
EDIT: Post redacted. I allowed my frustration over an accolade to boil over and make me sound like an *** (as seen in Bill's quote below). It was neither constructive nor relevant to the topic at hand. Sorry everyone. 
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This, personally, is a bit of a slap to the face. I have never, ever been able to find or complete a Katie Hannon, so I don't have Geas on any character.
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... "Find?" Start one yourself - it's a fast TF that gives a useful pet, as well. People know it's fast. They'll hop over and do it.
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I guess I should try again on a different character or file a bug report.On-topic: I'm all for lessening crashes from nukes, like Elec Blast's, but imo they should still have a hefty cost.
Edit: Removed my first post because I was being a jerkbag in it. Go me.
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I am retired.
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I can understand why you'd feel that way though, if you've been getting such flak over it. So if you feel like it's time to stop, well hey, you do what you gotta do.
But please, at least don't go around thinking that everybody thought you were un-funny. Cause I promise that not everybody thought that.
/e waves. "Stay safe out there, hero."
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
To address this list business once and for all.
I am retired. I agree with all my apparently many and very vocal detractors that I am not funny. I publicly apologize for every attempt at humor I have ever done in the past on these forums as they were quite obviously misdirected and foolhardy. While I am still playing the game itself, I believe this will be my last post on the forums. It is no longer fun here. I had fully intended not to write a good-bye post as they always strike me as self-serving and attention-grabbing. Unfortunately, it appears I can not even make a serious post that wasn't intended to be funny at all without people telling me "that wasn't funny." So be it. Thank you, Memphis Bill, for at least responding to the actual subject of my thread and not turning this into some sort of personal attack. For those who believe this is a joke of some kind, you will be waiting a very long time for the punchline. |
Now on the note of Steelclaw leaving the forums, I will say this much: "WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? I DON'T MIND THE END OF LISTS IF STEELCLAW IS TIRED, BUT TO BE DRIVEN OFF AND DESPIRITED. THAT CROSSES THE LINE!"
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nor do I think Incarnate stuff needs to be nerfed outside of Incarnate content (seriously, Bill, why are our characters trying to become more powerful if we end up weak unless we're in some "magical incarnate allowance field"?)
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Seriously, when one or two people can basically tell the rest of a task force "Hey, do whatever, we'll clear the missions," *it's overpowered.* And yes, I *have* been on teams - typically ITFs - where we were told JUST that. It's not fun at all to be basically told "You're not needed." It goes back to the days when a tank would herd up a map, a blaster would nuke the result (or the tank would just herd them into a dumpster) and everyone else got to stand around, or you'd get invited to something just so the leader could reveal the map and kick everyone. That wasn't fun either.
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
To address this list business once and for all.
I am retired. I agree with all my apparently many and very vocal detractors that I am not funny. I publicly apologize for every attempt at humor I have ever done in the past on these forums as they were quite obviously misdirected and foolhardy. While I am still playing the game itself, I believe this will be my last post on the forums. It is no longer fun here. I had fully intended not to write a good-bye post as they always strike me as self-serving and attention-grabbing. Unfortunately, it appears I can not even make a serious post that wasn't intended to be funny at all without people telling me "that wasn't funny." So be it. Thank you, Memphis Bill, for at least responding to the actual subject of my thread and not turning this into some sort of personal attack. For those who believe this is a joke of some kind, you will be waiting a very long time for the punchline. |
That sucks Steelclaw. You were always one of my favorite posters.
I knew going into one of your threads that the chances of it being a rant of some kind were virtually zero.
And I for one found your lists amusing most of the time. Some of them fell flat, but that's the risk every comedian takes with his material.
No apology is ever necessary for any attempt at entertaining people. Whether that attempt was successful or not is irrelevant, the spirit of the attempt is enough. Your attempts to entertain were never mean-spirited, and never came at anyone else's expense. And, speaking for myself, anyone who had a problem with them can get stuffed.
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..I always thought the lists were fun. Some were better than others, but all fun
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I would like to suggest that Tier 9 powers with the horrendous endurance drain occurring after the power is used (in the case of nukes) or after the timer on the power runs out (in the case of ultimate-defenses) be changed slightly.
My argument is that Incarnate characters get Judgement powers, which are as powerful or more powerful than Tier 9 nukes, at no such penalty. It doesn't make a lot of sense that the "lesser" power should have an endurance drain when the more powerful one does not.
My suggestion is that any character who unlocks and then slots any Incarnate power get a 25% reduction of the endurance penalty on Tier 9 powers for every level of Incarnate Tier slotted. So, if the highest Incarnate power you have slotted is a Common then you get a 25% reduction of the endurance penalty, 50% for Uncommon, 75% for Rare and finally complete removal of the penalty when you slot your first Very Rare Incarnate enhancement.
Just unlocking Alpha, etc with no actual improvement will result in no endurance penalty reduction.
My mind wanders so often you've probably seen its picture on milk cartons. - Me... the first person version of the third person Steelclaw