"One build to rule them all."
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4c3Player,
Posted on: 2012-05-19 22:40 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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The only valid nutshell here is a pithy statement I seem to remember about heated arguing on the 'net and the Special Olympics.
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Originally Posted by plainguy
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Originally Posted by doomrider
having only 2 damage types softcapped and 3% off of one position is, albeit decent for a good chunk of the content in this game, you'll be ripped apart by more exotic dmg types while having to use twice the inspiration use to get you softcapped to only 1 other type and 1 position. 32.5 to all positions is capable on many builds and is more inspiration efficient to hit the softcap to all incoming damage outside of those annoying psionic specific attacks that don't have a ranged component.
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I think 32.5% to 3 positions is a fine build decision for what it is. But it will also get shredded by enemies with significant +ToHit in absence of additional mitigation. You can see from my post aboethat I am capable of building characters with this trait. Yet I choose not to, because like other build decisions it has tradeoffs that IMO make it not always worth it.
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Malta and Carnies are only moderately concerning enemy groups after IOs, at least for me, so using them as a benchmark I dont find compelling. If we're going to talk about characters "tanking" and "controlling" things, we need to talk about Devouring Earth, Nemesis, and the incarnate enemies. 32.5% defense is not a single purple IO away from soft capping against those enemies. Why aren't we talking about them? Nemesis after all have Mag 3 Confusion protection, so any strategy that supposes World of Confusion will keep the build safe is already in question.
As far as what can be accomplished when you also hand build the mission in the AE, I consider that at least 50% a feature of the AE itself rather than the build. It may generate real rewards, but on the scale of "accomplishments" I rank it fairly low.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I think 32.5% to 3 positions is a fine build decision for what it is. But it will also get shredded by enemies with significant +ToHit in absence of additional mitigation. You can see from my post aboethat I am capable of building characters with this trait. Yet I choose not to, because like other build decisions it has tradeoffs that IMO make it not always worth it.
Unrelated to post above: Malta and Carnies are only moderately concerning enemy groups after IOs, at least for me, so using them as a benchmark I dont find compelling. If we're going to talk about characters "tanking" and "controlling" things, we need to talk about Devouring Earth, Nemesis, and the incarnate enemies. 32.5% defense is not a single purple IO away from soft capping against those enemies. Why aren't we talking about them? Nemesis after all have Mag 3 Confusion protection, so any strategy that supposes World of Confusion will keep the build safe is already in question. As far as what can be accomplished when you also hand build the mission in the AE, I consider that at least 50% a feature of the AE itself rather than the build. It may generate real rewards, but on the scale of "accomplishments" I rank it fairly low. |
What is the next best option when it comes to building defense, going for the s/l softcap alone? If you go this route, sure, you'll have better coverage against s/l attacks. I've run s/l softcapped builds before.... But as soon as you come up against the Psi, Energy, Negative energy, etc. damage that we're seeing in a lot of the new content you'll really have no edge to survivability at all. This is why I made the switch to my current build strategy. Hitting 45% to all or even 2 positions just keeping the third at 32.5% would have meant a tremendous sacrifice in global recharge.
We were just talking about farming speed, re: AE. It's a measure of damage output, not survivability.
I know that Malta and Carnies aren't the hardest enemy groups in the game, but I do think that soloing them on 54x8 is an impressive feat for any character. I'll admit that I can't do the same with Arachnos, for instance- Even my Warshade struggles with them often. Nemesis I believe would be doable, if I remember correctly they do lots of lethal and energy damage so my resistance would be used well. Devouring Earth I honestly haven't looked at or fought in forever, but it'd be something interesting to try out for sure. I'll definitely let you know when I have time to give them a shot.
Hey THB i just wanna say congratulations on your feats and accomplishments, that is a very nice build, and i might invest into it, but before i do, i will go on to say that as much as i dont know you as a person i do honestly enjoy looking at your posts and i have in the past looked to you for help, and you have helped btw so thank you on that too, so here i am showing you the respect that i do with everyone i meet , because i love this game, its people and the amazing things people do with a little know how, but anyways, to the point as much as a nice guy i think sometimes you come across, i think this thread, respectfully, has a few flawed points.
1: you compare farming to a game built solely on just gaming, farming isnt an added feature, its actually an exploited activity run by others, which i have no argument against whatsoever, but again its purely different from the ingame activities you take part in i.e positron task force?
2: the build you posted seems like a finished build, only workable at 50, can it perform still under 50? cos that be impressive too, also that with incarnate abilities off?
3: as much as i love people showing off their claims of greatness, couldnt this be a bit more subtle? i.e maybe saying "hey i did this on this and so on" rather than attempting to charge inexplicable amounts of influence to tailor to your needs?
albeit as i said you have a pretty neat build there and i have respect for you as i do with any player here who is either garnered popularity or notoriety, but subjecting the community to insults and if im not mistaken it is illegal to create an ingame profitable charity as explained, no doubt posting on the forums is a bit of silly idea.
this is in no way a hate comment, just speculation as to why the community seem to disagree with you, so please, no fruitful comments against me or any insults please as i have spoken to you respectfully.
Comparing a dominator to a blaster? two completely separate ATs not to mention that you say your blaster is the best or however you say that, i will go on to say that no build in this game that ever has or will exist is the best, period.
Because, and heres the big part, it doesnt exist, nor will it, for something people undeniably conceive as the best is at best a wishful thinking pipe dream to an ever soul consuming vortex that keeps our ideas and imaginations pumping with creativity and nourishment, altitus? we all have it, from one character to the next, constantly going over flowing minds trapped into a mother mayhem pseudo thought provoking whirlwind of constant information.
Basically my head gets chewed up in the thought of ever trying to make a character that i'll stay on and call the best.
No build exists in this way because the system allows you to control various AT sets that are proportioned so that you can do all this on them, and further more, its not how well you build your character, how fast you get to 50, or how good you chomp down AVs with your drain psyche, it all comes down to one thing, how much fun you had doing it, and if you had fun doing all these accomplishments then good for you, why have the public give you the acceptance when you can go do this a thousand times over?
to me its about the game, no farming, which to me breaks the enjoyment and possibilities of the game, but just pure fun, enjoying seeing my characters save a bank, like the comic books, and saving the girl he wants, thats fun.
so like i said i hope this thread does not come across rude or think that im jealous im not, im happy for your accomplishments, im just explaining the void as to why you are getting so much negativity on this thread, but good luck on future endeavours and your market, but i wont be buying 
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This is really not something that there's a definite and absolute response to, it's going to come down to personal opinion. That being said, my opinion is that there is nothing exploitative about AE Farming. The dev's gave us a tool that can be used to create our own content. I don't understand how it could be considered exploitative to use that tool to our best advantage. Why wouldn't we? It's not like the AE is a hack. It's a perfectly legitimate part of the game.|
Originally Posted by sypher_vendetta
1: you compare farming to a game built solely on just gaming, farming isnt an added feature, its actually an exploited activity run by others, which i have no argument against whatsoever, but again its purely different from the ingame activities you take part in i.e positron task force?
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To answer your question though, farming speed is a good way to measure AOE damage. It stands to reason that the faster you're able to kill large groups of enemies, the better AOE damage your build does. That's why I use it as a benchmark.
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| albeit as i said you have a pretty neat build there and i have respect for you as i do with any player here who is either garnered popularity or notoriety, but subjecting the community to insults and if im not mistaken it is illegal to create an ingame profitable charity as explained, no doubt posting on the forums is a bit of silly idea. |
I forgot this part:
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asically my head gets chewed up in the thought of ever trying to make a character that i'll stay on and call the best. No build exists in this way because the system allows you to control various AT sets that are proportioned so that you can do all this on them, and further more, its not how well you build your character, how fast you get to 50, or how good you chomp down AVs with your drain psyche, it all comes down to one thing, how much fun you had doing it, and if you had fun doing all these accomplishments then good for you, why have the public give you the acceptance when you can go do this a thousand times over? |
It's also fun to post some blatant over-the-top braggy comments and see how worked up and spiteful people get about it. The best part is that I can actually back up my claims. I really like it when people start shooting venom at me for being so arrogant and overconfident, and seeing how well it contrasts when they have to admit that they can't actually compete with me. Admittedly it's just as entertaining when I get proven wrong, which also happened in this thread.
The difference between myself and others is that, while I play my character pretty well, I rarely stoop to personal insults, because I don't take it as seriously or get as worked up as other people do. The other difference is that when I'm proven wrong about something, I'm not above apologizing.
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And since I didn't really get caught up in it despite posting in the thread, I think I win....or you all lose...either way it's not pretty.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Sure, that would be an option. It wouldn't be nearly as amusing to me though. I like it when people get this worked up over things that I say and do.
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Simply put, plainguy? You're free to log on Virtue and drop my global a message. I'll gladly do any Emoted Dance you'd like with the Scrapper, or the Dominator. Or any of my Masterminds. Or my Stalker? Take your pick.
Admittedly, the Dominator is /not/ Accoladed. I never found the need to do them. Nor did I claim she was Accoladed. Yeah, they help in performance but /shrug. The other toons have the accolades by merit of needing them for a bench mark. The dominator never had that bench mark to be met.
The only other aside with the Dominator is not having her Gladiator +3% slotted right now (It's in one of my other projects right now), so I'd have to eat an Unslotter to fill that void back in. Otherwise, tl;dr let me know when you want to see the toons.
And, no. Doing the 'farm races' is against my stance. I do not farm to race. I farm friends for prestige and nothing more. And, let's face it; Dechs and I are not friends, so it was not falling in my criteria.
But, again, log on Virtue, hit my global up, I'll log on... the Scrapper. Most expensive build by far and is the proclaimed 'project' with one of my Glad +3%'s. Stalker too. Masterminds are still slotted decently although the AI glitching is making me consider full-stripping...
Eh, pick your poison. You probably want to see the Dom, though? Not sure why, I already showed you she existed? But you probably want to go over every single set bonus or blah blah blah.
Zzz.
Again, Virtue. Let me know. Put up or shut up yourself, plainguy. I'm already done with my nightly Prestige Farming, so by all means.
Edit: Eh, I did it for you. Here's the Scrapper at least. If you DEMAND the Dominator, I'll have to re-slot the Gladiator I have on another pet-project to make me feel 'shiny' on her again.
Not like she freaking needs it.
And her build, because eh. I like it well enough.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.956
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons
Secondary Power Set: Energy Aura
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Crushing Blow -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Achilles-ResDeb%(7)
Level 1: Kinetic Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9)
Level 2: Titan Sweep -- SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg(A), SScrappersS-Dmg/Rchg(9), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SScrappersS-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SScrappersS-Rchg/+Crit(43)
Level 4: Power Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(11), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13)
Level 6: Follow Through -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(15), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Hectmb-Dam%(17), Mako-Dam%(17)
Level 8: Build Momentum -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(19), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(50), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(50)
Level 10: Entropic Aura -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(19), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 16: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(21), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23)
Level 18: Rend Armor -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Achilles-ResDeb%(27)
Level 20: Energy Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(29)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 24: Dampening Field -- ResDam-I(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(31)
Level 26: Whirling Smash -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34)
Level 28: Energize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal(36), Dct'dW-Rchg(37)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), SW-ResDam/Re TP(43)
Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(40), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Armgdn-Dam%(42), FotG-ResDeb%(42)
Level 35: Energy Drain -- Efficacy-EndMod(A)
Level 38: Overload -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 41: Water Spout -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(42), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48)
Level 44: Spirit Shark Jaws -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(45), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Apoc-Dam%(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Summon Guardian -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(48), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Energy Protection -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 4: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Panac-Heal/+End(33), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(37)
Level 4: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(37), P'Shift-EndMod(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(39)
Level 1: Momentum
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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So, to summarize...
You went from having a Plant/Psi Dominator...
To wait, never mind.
A Plant/Dark Dominator...
To a TW/EA Scrapper?
You are really digging yourself a hole here. Your response to being called out on yet again for not having what you claimed to have is saying, "I have this completely different thing."
Congratulations. You have one character with a build. That has nothing to do with this thread, or any of the reasons why you were asked to show a build in the first place. I have a decked out Warshade, but that doesn't have anything to do with my Blaster. I have a pretty decked out Peacebringer and a couple of pretty nice Brutes, but they don't have anything to do with anything in this context.
It's also quite sad that you need to share a single enhancement between multiple characters. Those things aren't even expensive anymore.
... Except I have more than one? I simply stopped using the Dominator and decided "Hrm. I have about 100 Unslotters left. I should save myself a fistful of Influence and just toss it on that Controller I was playing around with."
One second later...
You're just terribly nitpicking, and plainguy attacked my claim of having the Scrapper. I also have the Dominator, as posted before.
Nitpicking so hard, Screwdriver. Very, very hard.
If you want the Dominator, go log on Virtue. Dangle dangle~
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
This is really not something that there's a definite and absolute response to, it's going to come down to personal opinion. That being said, my opinion is that there is nothing exploitative about AE Farming. The dev's gave us a tool that can be used to create our own content. I don't understand how it could be considered exploitative to use that tool to our best advantage. Why wouldn't we? It's not like the AE is a hack. It's a perfectly legitimate part of the game.
To answer your question though, farming speed is a good way to measure AOE damage. It stands to reason that the faster you're able to kill large groups of enemies, the better AOE damage your build does. That's why I use it as a benchmark. While I'm sure it would exemp fine, that is not something that interests me in this game. I don't play to level 50 to go backwards, and I don't particularly enjoy much of the low level content anyways. If I ever feel the need to play through some lower content like I did a couple of times when i21 came out, I'll either make a new character for that purpose or log on something in that level range I haven't played in a while. Once again this is just a personal thing. Sure, that would be an option. It wouldn't be nearly as amusing to me though. I like it when people get this worked up over things that I say and do. I never insulted anyone in this thread. I might have disagreed with some people's ideas, but if anyone has been blatantly insulted here, it's been me. I've created my own little angry mob again, but I didn't break any rules. I forgot this part: For me, competing is fun. I like to be one-upped. I like to one-up other people. It's what keeps the game exciting for me. I do all my roleplaying strictly on the forums. When I play the game, what I'm usually doing is working on a project. I like to push the limits of what I can do with my characters. I've reshaped the opinions of more people than I can count on exactly how powerful a Blaster can be. Same with my Warshade, my other best accomplishment in this game. To me, that's what's fun. It's also fun to post some blatant over-the-top braggy comments and see how worked up and spiteful people get about it. The best part is that I can actually back up my claims. I really like it when people start shooting venom at me for being so arrogant and overconfident, and seeing how well it contrasts when they have to admit that they can't actually compete with me. Admittedly it's just as entertaining when I get proven wrong, which also happened in this thread. The difference between myself and others is that, while I play my character pretty well, I rarely stoop to personal insults, because I don't take it as seriously or get as worked up as other people do. The other difference is that when I'm proven wrong about something, I'm not above apologizing. |
working backwards is something people periodically do on a daily basis, and teaming with all levels hence why this system was designed and remade for.
ill say it again, farming is exploited, the devs dont announce it as a benchmark to their game do they? have they ever? to call something exploited a "tool" well thats just arrogant, but im not saying you are, im simply saying that that is your opinion and this is mine.
the rule you did break was one thta not only have you actually insulted people which can be quoted here or there, yuo've gone on to ignore other people and symbolize yourself as a beacon of pure greatness, which is almost like the beatles did to jesus? and look who won that game hm ?
the best ending for this situation is to really apologise or just break even, its nice to get "haters" every now and then, but you dont justify why, and i dont mean the way you say that because you did this they hate you for it, but why live with the hate? its not something i would actually choose in this situation, rising above the hate is much different than rubbing your work in peoples faces and saying "hey beat that kid!".
Like i said before im not hating, i just find it a bit dissapointing that someone who prefers to be blatantly rude and obnoxious of their exploits or accomplishments would go on to say they never insulted nor in anyway can justify such minuscule attempts bigging themselves over everyone.
What would be good help to the community is creating an affordable build to accomplish all this without incarnate abilities, thats something to rave about.
just my two cents.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
Simply put, plainguy? You're free to log on Virtue and drop my global a message. I'll gladly do any Emoted Dance you'd like with the Scrapper, or the Dominator. Or any of my Masterminds. Or my Stalker? Take your pick.
Admittedly, the Dominator is /not/ Accoladed. I never found the need to do them. Nor did I claim she was Accoladed. Yeah, they help in performance but /shrug. The other toons have the accolades by merit of needing them for a bench mark. The dominator never had that bench mark to be met. The only other aside with the Dominator is not having her Gladiator +3% slotted right now (It's in one of my other projects right now), so I'd have to eat an Unslotter to fill that void back in. Otherwise, tl;dr let me know when you want to see the toons. And, no. Doing the 'farm races' is against my stance. I do not farm to race. I farm friends for prestige and nothing more. And, let's face it; Dechs and I are not friends, so it was not falling in my criteria. But, again, log on Virtue, hit my global up, I'll log on... the Scrapper. Most expensive build by far and is the proclaimed 'project' with one of my Glad +3%'s. Stalker too. Masterminds are still slotted decently although the AI glitching is making me consider full-stripping... Eh, pick your poison. You probably want to see the Dom, though? Not sure why, I already showed you she existed? But you probably want to go over every single set bonus or blah blah blah. Zzz. Again, Virtue. Let me know. Put up or shut up yourself, plainguy. I'm already done with my nightly Prestige Farming, so by all means. Edit: Eh, I did it for you. Here's the Scrapper at least. If you DEMAND the Dominator, I'll have to re-slot the Gladiator I have on another pet-project to make me feel 'shiny' on her again. Not like she freaking needs it. And her build, because eh. I like it well enough. Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.956 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Natural Scrapper Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons Secondary Power Set: Energy Aura Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leaping Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Crushing Blow -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Achilles-ResDeb%(7) Level 1: Kinetic Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9) Level 2: Titan Sweep -- SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg(A), SScrappersS-Dmg/Rchg(9), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), SScrappersS-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SScrappersS-Rchg/+Crit(43) Level 4: Power Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(11), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13) Level 6: Follow Through -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(15), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Hectmb-Dam%(17), Mako-Dam%(17) Level 8: Build Momentum -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(19), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(50), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(50) Level 10: Entropic Aura -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 12: Boxing -- Empty(A) Level 14: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(19), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21) Level 16: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(21), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23) Level 18: Rend Armor -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Achilles-ResDeb%(27) Level 20: Energy Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(29) Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31) Level 24: Dampening Field -- ResDam-I(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(31) Level 26: Whirling Smash -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34) Level 28: Energize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal(36), Dct'dW-Rchg(37) Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), SW-ResDam/Re TP(43) Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(40), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Armgdn-Dam%(42), FotG-ResDeb%(42) Level 35: Energy Drain -- Efficacy-EndMod(A) Level 38: Overload -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A) Level 41: Water Spout -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(42), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48) Level 44: Spirit Shark Jaws -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(45), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Apoc-Dam%(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46) Level 47: Summon Guardian -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(48), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(50) Level 49: Energy Protection -- GA-3defTpProc(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Critical Hit Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 4: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 4: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Panac-Heal/+End(33), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(37) Level 4: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 4: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(37), P'Shift-EndMod(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(39) Level 1: Momentum Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve Level 0: Portal Jockey Level 0: Task Force Commander Level 0: The Atlas Medallion Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon ------------ |
hey reppu any chance you could post the builds data chunk by any chance? i would like to see this build, by looks of things it looks amazing.
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Also, scratch logging on Virtue to see the Dom. I banished her to a CERTAIN SERVER. If I ever decide to log on this CERTAIN SERVER, she's ready to go! Maybe for a race!
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Pfffhahahahaha.
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Careful, she'll get you on Virtue, then in Pocket D. Next thing you know, you're tied to a bed wearing a thong and horsehead mask and being subjected to things I cannot post on these forums |
Originally Posted by Reppu
If you want the Dominator, go log on Virtue. Dangle dangle~ |
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Done that before. We called it "My Little Pony" day.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Careful, she'll get you on Virtue, then in Pocket D. Next thing you know, you're tied to a bed wearing a thong and horsehead mask and being subjected to things I cannot post on these forums
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They announce the AE system as a feature, certainly. The ability to custom-tailor your own content. I understand that some people don't like what others have done with the system, and you have the right to that opinion. If you don't enjoy that content, don't play it. I don't particularly enjoy low level content and this is the approach that I take.|
Originally Posted by sypher_vendetta
working backwards is something people periodically do on a daily basis, and teaming with all levels hence why this system was designed and remade for.
ill say it again, farming is exploited, the devs dont announce it as a benchmark to their game do they? have they ever? to call something exploited a "tool" well thats just arrogant, but im not saying you are, im simply saying that that is your opinion and this is mine. |
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| the rule you did break was one thta not only have you actually insulted people which can be quoted here or there, yuo've gone on to ignore other people and symbolize yourself as a beacon of pure greatness, which is almost like the beatles did to jesus? and look who won that game hm ? |
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| the best ending for this situation is to really apologise or just break even, its nice to get "haters" every now and then, but you dont justify why, and i dont mean the way you say that because you did this they hate you for it, but why live with the hate? its not something i would actually choose in this situation, rising above the hate is much different than rubbing your work in peoples faces and saying "hey beat that kid!". |
I've apologized to a few different people, when I was wrong about something. People are welcome hate me, I would never presume to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't think of me. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either, so *shrug.*
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| Like i said before im not hating, i just find it a bit dissapointing that someone who prefers to be blatantly rude and obnoxious of their exploits or accomplishments would go on to say they never insulted nor in anyway can justify such minuscule attempts bigging themselves over everyone. |
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What would be good help to the community is creating an affordable build to accomplish all this without incarnate abilities, thats something to rave about. just my two cents. |
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Originally Posted by plainguy
Look I get THB is a way over the top with things. I agree his builds are excessive in the sense if your doing 49 dps he considers that bad if he can get 52 dps out of an attack.
BUT Regardless of what he is saying He did hit the mark with Reppu. She posted a cropped image showing a build failing to show the most important parts. She skirts the issue and fails to post a new pic. I mean really how hard is it to post a new pic ? You did it the first time. The button is right on top to add a picture. So it not like you have to learn HTML or something. Dech offered to be an impartial test subject and she never agreed, I don't even think she even acknowledged his offer. Again I have no stake in this crazy thread beyond calling Reppu out on this. I do think she back peddled after doing all this napkin math. Post a pic.. Take the challenge. But don't refute THB and refuse to do either because it really shows you were just talking out of your backside. I mean honestly what is the WORST that can happen.. Absolutely nothing. Dech gets 2 useless level 50 toons. You loose the challenge which has no reward or punishment. So THB comes back and says he spanked you.. And ?? What ego bruised ? People find out who you are in RL and send you hate mail and weight watchers coupons ? The only way you look bad is if you really do not have what your saying. Which to me after after being called out the first time about the pic I would post a proper image just to shut the guy up. Heck I would pay a Chinese farmer to PL and buy INF on a toon just to make my point. But that's just me. Again yes I do agree THB is grinding against his screen while simultaneously looking in a mirror and giving himself high fives as was previously mentioned. I would also image he does his best imitation of buffalo bill from silence of the lambs looking into a mirror to wild horses playing in the background in the basement of his moms house. BUT... BUT.. When you drive through all this craziness he called out Reppu and she failed to accept the challenge. I don't care what excuse she gives. She dodged his challenge and made more excuses about the image instead of posting a new proper and correct image. Dech was going to bear witness and as forum posters go Dech is honest and trustful person. I certainly would take his word on the accounts. Plus he can post screen shots. And on top he clearly made it apparent that he neither hates or likes these 2 people so he has no vested interest in seeing either succeed over the other. Honestly you could have 7 players there as long as they have some sort of invis or stealth not to interfere with the process. Someone could record it even. Again so many options are available. But posting a proper pic of the build would be a really good and simple start. Nutshell I don't think Reppu can do anything she mentioned. I don't think she has this toon slotted the way she posted. I don't think she has a billion INF Scrapper. I don't think she has the mastermind she post a build about. I think its all forum epeen and internet bravado. I would imagine some sort of reply from Reppu along the lines of I'm not gonna do it because post or just a complete ignore of the thread or attack me but still ignore the challenge. |
I think the reality of this situation for most can be summed up in three words, "who really cares?"
If Rep can back it up...great.
If Rep cant back it up...then chalk it all up to a theoretical exercise.
If you put so much effort into "calling people out" or feel that someone can look good or bad based on 10+ pages of nonsense, you have to look at the true value of that. People's opinions of others in this thread, combined with 25 cents wont get you a cup of coffee.
At the end of the day, this is an internet forum based on a video game that allows us to create characters that shoot laser beams out of their eyes and control plants.
Just saying...
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Don't have to. It's an incarnate running non-incarnate content. This to me seems like "Hey I soloed the AV with my level 50! The AV was lvl 40!"
I'm not saying it isn't awesome! It is! I said I'd be more impressed. Picking the right Destiny, getting it to Tier 4, will help most builds in the survival department. Lore Pets in the damage. |
...and IOs help, etc etc etc - that was my only point. There is this silly cycle over the years of this game where someone will do something cool, then people point and say 'do it the old way without x' and eventually, as time goes on, people get over it and move on to the next thing, and again 'do it the old way without x' - and Incarnate abilities weren't designed to only be used with Incarnate content.
I get what you are saying, and I just wanted to clear up what I was saying.
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
And the selective incarnate abilities allowed need to go as well. Why not lore pets? If you use reactive, alpha, destiny, and judgement thats all okay, but not oh no not a pet. That would be cheating :/
Then again, I dont understand why OP said no Patron pets. All seems very character biased to me. also roflmao at rules for the threads and pseudo red naming. |
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It was never a question of impressiveness. Let me guess - if someone solos something without any incarnate abilities even slotted, you denounce their feat because they hadn't used SOs, right? It's the same thing nowadays.|
Originally Posted by New Dawn
Actually people with Incarnate builds might need to get over themselves when they finally do things when Incarnated that they could of done before Incarnates.
Brand X can be unimpressed and I agree with Brand X on this one. |
....yes it is. Don't argue. It just seems to be taking the forums longer to get used to incarnate abilities as part of a character build than other additions to the game from the past. I don't know why - maybe because we know more incarnate slots are coming far into the future.
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Why do you have to be such a giant d-bag?
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
It's also quite sad that you need to share a single enhancement between multiple characters. Those things aren't even expensive anymore.
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I think it's fine if you're using it for comedy, but paying attention to him in any other (non-constructive) case just fulfills his grab for attention.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
Why do you have to be such a giant d-bag?
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I just realized what this thread is. It's an episode of Real Houswives of Paragon City.
The only way to lose is to be forgettable.
I'll have another martini.
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AFAIK; AE Farms are the only farms the red names have ever vocally been against.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
This is really not something that there's a definite and absolute response to, it's going to come down to personal opinion. That being said, my opinion is that there is nothing exploitative about AE Farming. The dev's gave us a tool that can be used to create our own content. I don't understand how it could be considered exploitative to use that tool to our best advantage. Why wouldn't we? It's not like the AE is a hack. It's a perfectly legitimate part of the game.
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I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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So, you are are admitting you are nothing more than a troll who is skirting the forum rules.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Sure, that would be an option. It wouldn't be nearly as amusing to me though. I like it when people get this worked up over things that I say and do.
I never insulted anyone in this thread. I might have disagreed with some people's ideas, but if anyone has been blatantly insulted here, it's been me. I've created my own little angry mob again, but I didn't break any rules. It's also fun to post some blatant over-the-top braggy comments and see how worked up and spiteful people get about it. |
Just clarifying.
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Look I get THB is a way over the top with things. I agree his builds are excessive in the sense if your doing 49 dps he considers that bad if he can get 52 dps out of an attack.
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Regardless of what he is saying He did hit the mark with Reppu. She posted a cropped image showing a build failing to show the most important parts. She skirts the issue and fails to post a new pic. I mean really how hard is it to post a new pic ? You did it the first time. The button is right on top to add a picture. So it not like you have to learn HTML or something.
Dech offered to be an impartial test subject and she never agreed, I don't even think she even acknowledged his offer.
Again I have no stake in this crazy thread beyond calling Reppu out on this.
I do think she back peddled after doing all this napkin math.
Post a pic.. Take the challenge. But don't refute THB and refuse to do either because it really shows you were just talking out of your backside.
I mean honestly what is the WORST that can happen.. Absolutely nothing. Dech gets 2 useless level 50 toons. You loose the challenge which has no reward or punishment. So THB comes back and says he spanked you.. And ?? What ego bruised ? People find out who you are in RL and send you hate mail and weight watchers coupons ?
The only way you look bad is if you really do not have what your saying. Which to me after after being called out the first time about the pic I would post a proper image just to shut the guy up. Heck I would pay a Chinese farmer to PL and buy INF on a toon just to make my point. But that's just me.
Again yes I do agree THB is grinding against his screen while simultaneously looking in a mirror and giving himself high fives as was previously mentioned. I would also image he does his best imitation of buffalo bill from silence of the lambs looking into a mirror to wild horses playing in the background in the basement of his moms house.
BUT... BUT..
When you drive through all this craziness he called out Reppu and she failed to accept the challenge. I don't care what excuse she gives. She dodged his challenge and made more excuses about the image instead of posting a new proper and correct image. Dech was going to bear witness and as forum posters go Dech is honest and trustful person. I certainly would take his word on the accounts. Plus he can post screen shots. And on top he clearly made it apparent that he neither hates or likes these 2 people so he has no vested interest in seeing either succeed over the other. Honestly you could have 7 players there as long as they have some sort of invis or stealth not to interfere with the process. Someone could record it even.
Again so many options are available. But posting a proper pic of the build would be a really good and simple start.
Nutshell
I don't think Reppu can do anything she mentioned. I don't think she has this toon slotted the way she posted. I don't think she has a billion INF Scrapper. I don't think she has the mastermind she post a build about. I think its all forum epeen and internet bravado.
I would imagine some sort of reply from Reppu along the lines of I'm not gonna do it because post or just a complete ignore of the thread or attack me but still ignore the challenge.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives