Let me give away my Paragon Reward Tokens.
By
Draeth Darkstar,
Posted on: 2012-04-28 13:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I agree, my little brother got his own account, but even though he was sampling the game back 7 years ago, his account is new, if i could get him set up, that would be cool. Actually in a general sense, this would be great for long time players for their family/kids/spouses.
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Since simply unlocking access to Tier 9 VIP rewards costs up to $445. dollars per account, why on earth would the company allow players to exploit the reward tree by allowing them to give away tokens to accounts that aren't spending money on the game?|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
The guy at the Player Summit asking about trading tokens between his two accounts made me realize that this idea is brilliant.
I was just shy of Tier 9 when Freedom launched, and after ten months worth of buying goodies, I have reward tokens coming out my eyeballs. Let me give my excess tokens away. My fiancée would be giddy if she suddenly had Celestial Armor when logging in one day, and I'm sure there are plenty of people with multiple accounts who'd love the feature, too. It could even be limited to T9 VIPs as another feature of the subscription, and as a method of preventing exploitative behavior with low-tier VIP Bundle accounts or other similar things being created for their tokens. |
Sure your fiance may be a devoted subscriber but the majority of people that would take advantage of this aren't.
Good luck with this idea tho. Maybe the devs can think of a way to keep it from being abused.
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It shouldn't matter in terms of profits who is redeeming Reward Tokens, they're still being paid for.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Since simply unlocking access to Tier 9 VIP rewards costs up to $445. dollars per account, why on earth would the company allow players to exploit the reward tree by allowing them to give away tokens to accounts that aren't spending money on the game?.
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@Draeth Darkstar
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I can see where they'd want to keep them on lockdown just as a gating mechanism, but I don't see how making them transferable would be "exploitable".
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Since simply unlocking access to Tier 9 VIP rewards costs up to $445. dollars per account, why on earth would the company allow players to exploit the reward tree by allowing them to give away tokens to accounts that aren't spending money on the game?
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Aye, somebody somewhere is still paying for said tokens.
Though it does give less incentive for Person B to spend money if Person A is feeding them tokens.
For example,
Let's say Person B needs 3 tokens to grab Celestial before it goes poof. He is about to buy 45 bucks in Points to get them.
Person A says "oh hey, I have 3 spare tokens, you can have them". Person B no longer buys the points.
Paragon still made money off of person A, but no longer made a sell to Person B.
It is something I would be willing to do...if I was not so addicted to Super Packs.
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Once I collected all the unique items in the super packs they lost their charm to me. I can get ATOs with influence and I don't use the other stuff enough to merit bothering.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
It is something I would be willing to do...if I was not so addicted to Super Packs.
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@Draeth Darkstar
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I love getting the 100 merit cards. |
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Once I collected all the unique items in the super packs they lost their charm to me. I can get ATOs with influence and I don't use the other stuff enough to merit bothering.
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I have everything from them, but that card still makes me giggle.
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There's currently a suggestion being made asking for the ability to buy the Tier 9 VIP only rewards without unlocking the rewards between Tier 1-8.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I can see where they'd want to keep them on lockdown just as a gating mechanism, but I don't see how making them transferable would be "exploitable".
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=288296
You don't think if people could give away reward tokens that unlocked the Tier 9 VIP rewards there wouldn't be people willing to sell their tokens so someone could skip the reward tree? Or that there wouldn't be players more than willing to buy tokens from someone else if they could skip the reward tree?
Now I'm not saying the company might not consider it if the accounts are on the same master account, but I don't think they'd allow the tokens to be used to skip the reward tree.
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Because someone did earn those rewards, the money has already changed hands and the ability to grandfather in families of players who have been here a long time add an additional incentive for players who have a long history with the game to draw in new blood that shares some close enough personal bond with a long term player. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Since simply unlocking access to Tier 9 VIP rewards costs up to $445. dollars per account, why on earth would the company allow players to exploit the reward tree by allowing them to give away tokens to accounts that aren't spending money on the game?
Sure your fiance may be a devoted subscriber but the majority of people that would take advantage of this aren't. Good luck with this idea tho. Maybe the devs can think of a way to keep it from being abused. |
Essentially, it another perk for people who have been here forever, i would suspect that game companies would like those sort of players feeling incentivised since they have transcended the veteran rewards system..
This sounds like a bunch of coding work with no financial return. Where is the profit in this?
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
This sounds like a bunch of coding work with no financial return. Where is the profit in this?
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
This sounds like a bunch of coding work with no financial return. Where is the profit in this?
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I'm not saying I agree with this suggestion either way but damn, once upon a time ago Paragon did make things with only our sub as profit. Does every little thing need to be milked now for some coins? Nemesis forbid they make some major QOL features for free.
Requiring the player giving their tokens out to be a VIP = Profit in subscription fees.
Major Quality of Life improvement for groups of real-life family and friends joining the game = Profit in new customers.
@Draeth Darkstar
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Then people will complain that only VIPs can gift reward tokens.
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Leave the reward tree the way it is and how it works.
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Because people don't already complain about all the things that only VIPs can do?|
Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Then people will complain that only VIPs can gift reward tokens.
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That's never been a factor before, there's no reason for it to be one now.
@Draeth Darkstar
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In the first place, when they were just on subs they also put things out at a much slower pace. How many new power sets did we see from COV launch to Freedom launch? How many have come out since? How many costume sets? Do you want to go back to that pace of release?|
Originally Posted by RevolverMike
I'm not saying I agree with this suggestion either way but damn, once upon a time ago Paragon did make things with only our sub as profit. Does every little thing need to be milked now for some coins? Nemesis forbid they make some major QOL features for free.
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I mean, COV launch = Halloween 2005 (issue 6)
Freedom launch = late 2011
Between, not counting ports, we had (for just powersets, not proliferation) - and these lists are pretty much going from memory:
Thugs
Demons
Plant control
Electric control
Electric Armor
Shield Defense
Electric Melee
Kinetic Melee
SOAs
Widows
(Think I caught them all) - so, 9 powersets, 6 years, or about 1.3 powersets a year.
Since Freedom's launch, we've had:
Beam rifle
Street justice
Titan Weapons
Beast Mastery
Dark control
Dark manipulation
Staff Fighting
Even if we cheat in the old timeline's favor and call the time since Freedom a full year, that's still 7 powersets. (I'm not counting dark blast to blasters, I'm throwing that in as a port.) In one year. AND more tweaks to others than we've typically seen in such a short time. (Yes, I'm sure it'll slow down - but even if they drop to one powerset quarterly, or even one every six months, they're still kicking the tail of the old rate.)
Personally, I rather like the faster pace. Even *my* altitis has a hard time keeping up.
Second, while they're glad to have people paying money as Premium (since any purchase brings you from free to premium,) they *still want to push people to subscriptions.*
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And the devs have ignored complaints in the past when the complaints went against how they want the game mechanics to work, so there's no reason for them to stop doing that either.|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Because people don't already complain about all the things that only VIPs can do?
That's never been a factor before, there's no reason for it to be one now. |
Heck I could sure benefit from this idea if it were implemented as only one of my 5 accounts pays a sub fee, but I'm not sure that the company will see it as profitable.
I have two VIP accounts and my daughter has her own account. She does not get to play as often so her's is not VIP account though she has purchased a few items. I would love to be able to gift points or reward tokens to her as one of my accounts has a surplus. For that matter I would love to be able to transfer some from one VIP account to the other now and then.
I very much like the idea of being able to gift Reward Tokens and Paragon Points.
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Were you trying to make some kind of point with this comment? None of my posts in this thread have been complaints, and the development team has been known to accept player suggestions in the past.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And the devs have ignored complaints in the past when the complaints went against how they want the game mechanics to work, so there's no reason for them to stop doing that either.
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@Draeth Darkstar
Virtue [Heroes, Roleplay], Freedom [Villains], Exalted [All Sides, Roleplay]
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And where exactly did I ever say that you personally were making a complaint? Please quote it.|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Were you trying to make some kind of point with this comment? None of my posts in this thread have been complaints, and the development team has been known to accept player suggestions in the past.
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What actually happened is that I responded to your post where you mentioned other people making complaints and stated what the devs response has been when they have no intention making the changes being complained about.
Or did you forget you wrote this?
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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Because people don't already complain about all the things that only VIPs can do?
That's never been a factor before, there's no reason for it to be one now. |
It's perfectly clear that both you and I were talking about other people in general and not you or anyone else as a specific individual.
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people whine, it happens, its how baby ignore lists are made.|
Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Then people will complain that only VIPs can gift reward tokens.
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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
It shouldn't matter in terms of profits who is redeeming Reward Tokens, they're still being paid for.
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The guy at the Player Summit asking about trading tokens between his two accounts made me realize that this idea is brilliant.
I was just shy of Tier 9 when Freedom launched, and after ten months worth of buying goodies, I have reward tokens coming out my eyeballs.
Let me give my excess tokens away. My fiancée would be giddy if she suddenly had Celestial Armor when logging in one day, and I'm sure there are plenty of people with multiple accounts who'd love the feature, too.
It could even be limited to T9 VIPs as another feature of the subscription, and as a method of preventing exploitative behavior with low-tier VIP Bundle accounts or other similar things being created for their tokens.
@Draeth Darkstar
Virtue [Heroes, Roleplay], Freedom [Villains], Exalted [All Sides, Roleplay]