So can I have old ET back yet?
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Posted on: 2012-04-24 20:56 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Sure, you can have the old ET back on any AT... as long as by any AT you mean Stalkers and by ET you mean AS... 
Seriously, I agree to an extent. However, the AS change was needed to help stalkers achieve a more viable role and a more practical application of AS. I do think it is time to revisit some of the EM nerfs though. Though it is entirely my opinion- EM is about as lackluster as they come.
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When I saw this thread title, I thought it was going to be about having E.T. the way it was in the theatre and without a digitally animated E.T. and removed guns... Then I looked at the forum section and realized what was meant, hehe... Then I decided to post this unhelpful reply in case it caused a smile.
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Will never happen. I just wish we'd they'd look at the rest of the set so there's -some- reason to play it now.
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Originally Posted by __Tru__
I'd like to dust off the old EM/ characters.
With the new stalker mechanics, it feels like they all basically got the old energy transfer power added to their power sets. Am I wrong here? An almost zero activation/animation relatively high damage attack. It may have been slightly overpowered at the time but now that the rest of the game has caught up. Please can I have ET back, pretty please. |
I still play it, because it was my first 50 and well dammit I am stubborn!
so just play a stalker with EM
you get your AS which does what you want ET to do
the only problem would be if you wanted something as powerful as the old ET on an AT that had better defenses than a stalker
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I know, back when that was possible, the game nearly collapsed.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
so just play a stalker with EM
you get your AS which does what you want ET to do the only problem would be if you wanted something as powerful as the old ET on an AT that had better defenses than a stalker |
Over the... five year period.
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It seems this attitude is the only one that exists with people that still like EM. They don't like it because it's good. They like it because they have a personal attachment to it.|
Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
I still play it, because it was my first 50 and well dammit I am stubborn!
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I'm not one of those people. I have two level 50 EM toons, and they both get ZERO playtime. The set is an absolute joke, and I would even wager than it's the absolute worst melee set in the game, all things considered.
As far as why it's not being fixed....well, they make money by designing and selling new sets. They don't make any money by fixing old broken ones. So it seems they're content to just pretend EM doesn't exist in the game. It's so bad that practically nobody plays it, and if nobody plays it, that means nobody complains. Problem solved, as far as they're concerned.
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Originally Posted by Supermax
As far as why it's not being fixed....well, they make money by designing and selling new sets. They don't make any money by fixing old broken ones. So it seems they're content to just pretend EM doesn't exist in the game. It's so bad that practically nobody plays it, and if nobody plays it, that means nobody complains. Problem solved, as far as they're concerned.
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that's why stalkers have not gotten fixed and gravity wasn't fixed.
you really have it figured out.
Good point. I stand corrected. If we wait another 6-7 years, there's a chance that EM will be fixed. In the same timeframe, they will be releasing 30 new sets that are better than EM in every imaginable way.
In their defense, I do believe that putting out a new set that can be sold for real money makes more sense from a business perspective than fixing an old broken set that everybody's given up on anyway. Plus new sets are cool. So I don't really blame them for ignoring EM. But I do blame them for nerfing it in the first place, because that was just an incredibly ignorant decision.
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I don't remember the time frame of the EM nerfs, but was that Paragon or Cryptic? It seems like something Cryptic would do.|
Originally Posted by Supermax
Good point. I stand corrected. If we wait another 6-7 years, there's a chance that EM will be fixed. In the same timeframe, they will be releasing 30 new sets that are better than EM in every imaginable way.
In their defense, I do believe that putting out a new set that can be sold for real money makes more sense from a business perspective than fixing an old broken set that everybody's given up on anyway. Plus new sets are cool. So I don't really blame them for ignoring EM. But I do blame them for nerfing it in the first place, because that was just an incredibly ignorant decision. |
Also, was it anywhere near when they still thought they could make PvP a thing that worked?
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It had to be mostly for pvp reasons. Ice/em tanks were unkillable and a AS from a EM stalker was a instant kill for low hp ATs since you had about .3 seconds to heal before et hit. Now that no one pvps any more can we change it back?
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Cryptic, Paragon seems to be a whole nother' animal.
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Originally Posted by Vauluur
I don't remember the time frame of the EM nerfs, but was that Paragon or Cryptic? It seems like something Cryptic would do.
Also, was it anywhere near when they still thought they could make PvP a thing that worked? |
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The first character I started trying to collect badges on is my EM/Elec Brute I made during i8; I had already stopped playing her for much more than badging before the nerf because only having Aid Self to recover the lost hp from cycling ET as often as possible to pretend to maintain any performance advantage over other primaries* on a pure resistance set annoyed the heck out of me. The reason she still exists at all after the nerf is because I didn't want to get some of the more annoying badges all over again, but I started playing her again when Energize replaced Conserve Power in ElA.|
Originally Posted by Supermax
It seems this attitude is the only one that exists with people that still like EM. They don't like it because it's good. They like it because they have a personal attachment to it.
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So yes, I completely agree. Personal attachment or attempting a thematic fit is the only reason to bother with EM, and with power customization you can try thematic fits with other sets just as easily.
* - there wasn't a performance advantage, even throwing out Aid Self's animation time SM had better performance until the mallet animations had a half second added to each for almost every achievable level of recharge while solo at the time.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
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It was a bad change then (at least in PvE) and it's still bad
I stuck with my WP/EM for a bit, but just couldn't do it, even more so when I felt my tanker wasn't even needed on quite a few TFs (though watching 7 Trollers/Dom steamroll some TFs is pretty amazing 
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I am pretty sure Paragon was running the game when ET got nerfed (think it was I12?).
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Cryptic, Paragon seems to be a whole nother' animal.
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Good news: I am absolutely certain that Energy Melee will get another rebalancing pass in the future.
Bad news: I have no idea when that will be... 'cause it probably isn't going to happen until the Devs decide to proliferate it to Scrappers. And with three other melee sets and two potential defense sets vying for the same exact move... well, it's a crap shot if that will be included in the next batch of proliferation.
Furthermore, considering that we're not likely to see any further proliferation until/unless the Devs come up light for actual content on an issue... yeah, I'm not expecting this until sometime after I25 at the earliest.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a dev say that Kinetic Melee came from an attempt to revamp Energy Melee? They basically decided they were changing so much they just made it a new powerset instead.
Not trying to derail the discussion or disagree, Energy absolutely needs help. I just think its an interesting footnote in Energy Melee's history.
If I had my way when creating my INV/EM tank, I would have made it an EM/INV scrapper as that fits the concept better.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
It was a bad change then (at least in PvE) and it's still bad
I stuck with my WP/EM for a bit, but just couldn't do it, even more so when I felt my tanker wasn't even needed on quite a few TFs (though watching 7 Trollers/Dom steamroll some TFs is pretty amazing ) |
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I don't remember a dev saying it, but I know several players - myself included - who have speculated that exact thing. If someone can find a redname post on it (or if a redname happens to reply here |
Originally Posted by Lightslinger
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a dev say that Kinetic Melee came from an attempt to revamp Energy Melee? They basically decided they were changing so much they just made it a new powerset instead.
Not trying to derail the discussion or disagree, Energy absolutely needs help. I just think its an interesting footnote in Energy Melee's history. |
), I'd appreciate the ability to stop calling it speculation.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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But everyone hasn't given up on the old sets. I play my 'old' sets more than the new ones, even thought I've bought several. I spend nearly all of my time on the old characters that I really enjoy. I've been subbed for nearly eight years. The old sets are what keeps me here and improvements will keep me here for years more. I'm nostalgic and I like what I like. New sets probably won't. If I want new I'll try Terra or another game.|
Originally Posted by Supermax
Good point. I stand corrected. If we wait another 6-7 years, there's a chance that EM will be fixed. In the same timeframe, they will be releasing 30 new sets that are better than EM in every imaginable way.
In their defense, I do believe that putting out a new set that can be sold for real money makes more sense from a business perspective than fixing an old broken set that everybody's given up on anyway. Plus new sets are cool. So I don't really blame them for ignoring EM. But I do blame them for nerfing it in the first place, because that was just an incredibly ignorant decision. |
Staff - I like it.
Titan Weapons - I gave up at 22. I hate Momentum.
Beam Rifle - I gave up at 6. It just didn't excite me.
Energy Melee - It really needs looking at again. With all the high AOE sets that are out there and have been released it really lacks in comparison. It's sad when damage procs are the only way to get real performance out of the set's only AOE Whirling Hands. The Energy Transfer (ET) nerf was in direct response to EM Stalkers in PvP, but the nerf was across the board. My Invuln/EM tank really did not need nerfing. My SS/Fire outdamages her and if I really wanted I could hardcap S/L Resist to match Invuln, but I still prefer playing the Invuln/EM because I'm attached to her after four years.
The perception may be that new sets are where the money is at, and that's true obviously for store purchases. I'd be interested to see where the playtime is at. Subscriptions bring in money too.
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Energy Melee should be fixed or better yet recon to original and ED removed from game - nuff said.
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I'd like to dust off the old EM/ characters.
With the new stalker mechanics, it feels like they all basically got the old energy transfer power added to their power sets. Am I wrong here?
An almost zero activation/animation relatively high damage attack.
It may have been slightly overpowered at the time but now that the rest of the game has caught up. Please can I have ET back, pretty please.
Tru
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