OK. You put a cap on what's charged. What do you think happens next? (Hint: Look at "3 billion INF for PVP IO" posts.)
Also, capping means the lowbie gets less for what they put on the market.
If you think commons are too expensive - run AE for a bit. One arc should give you more than enough tickets to fill up on common salvage and... sell the rest on the market. (Assuming you have AE access.)
Note: Not a marketeer.
Those salvage pieces cost a lot because they're in high demand, not just because some ebil marketeer decided to start flipping. If you cap the price, that demand won't go away (in fact, if you artificially lower the price, MORE people will want to buy), and the available supply of salvage will at best stay the same, and possibly diminish (someone willing to spend tickets on common salvage at 100k each might not be willing at 50k each). So, capping the price will not make the salvage easier to obtain, and could make it more difficult.
Also, new players benefit from those high prices too, because they can sell the salvage they find. In fact, a new player selling a few Luck Charms and filling their build with DOs is probably more beneficial to them than being able to craft a few more acc IOs would be.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
OK. You put a cap on what's charged. What do you think happens next? (Hint: Look at "3 billion INF for PVP IO" posts.)
Also, capping means the lowbie gets less for what they put on the market. If you think commons are too expensive - run AE for a bit. One arc should give you more than enough tickets to fill up on common salvage and... sell the rest on the market. (Assuming you have AE access.) Note: Not a marketeer. |
I am not a big fan of the market.
Having said that, AE Tickets for salvage (because I am NOT paying 100,000+ Inf for a common) are your friend. Search AE for "ticket farm" if you must.
As for recipes, you can get them for tickets as well. Or you can get Hero/Villain merits and get one of the Big Three recipes, then sell it to fund the rest of your build.
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I think a better idea would be to consolidate the meaninglessly diverse salvage into, at most, six different pieces of salvage (Common Magic/Tech, Uncommon Magic/Tech, and Rare Magic/Tech).
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Ah well seems this would not be a good idea,seems there are pro,s and con,s to the market having high prices.As I am a VIP I do have access to everything in game as far as AE goes I very rarely go in there as I find a lot of stuff on there to be rubbish and do not have the patience to look for the good stuff.
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I agree that setting a cap on salvage is a bad idea, what would be nice though, would be if there an average daily/weekly/monthly sell price history for items on the market. The last 5 sell price is solo misleading sometimes.
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I think this idea has merit. Some salvage, particularly low level stuff, is nigh never used, while the high level stuff is both high price and high demand. And not always high in stock. Consolidating the salvage into smaller groups would mean that more would likely be in stock at any given time. I guess *shrug*
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I think a better idea would be to consolidate the meaninglessly diverse salvage into, at most, six different pieces of salvage (Common Magic/Tech, Uncommon Magic/Tech, and Rare Magic/Tech).
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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They should have done just brainstorm drops and let us craft what salvage we wanted.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think this idea has merit. Some salvage, particularly low level stuff, is nigh never used, while the high level stuff is both high price and high demand. And not always high in stock. Consolidating the salvage into smaller groups would mean that more would likely be in stock at any given time. I guess *shrug*
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... so make something you'd enjoy and run it?
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Originally Posted by Prof_Radburn
Ah well seems this would not be a good idea,seems there are pro,s and con,s to the market having high prices.As I am a VIP I do have access to everything in game as far as AE goes I very rarely go in there as I find a lot of stuff on there to be rubbish and do not have the patience to look for the good stuff.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... so make something you'd enjoy and run it?
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Capping how much you're allowed to sell things for would help the obscenely rich (because their outrageous fortune would now buy more stuff), while hurting the new player and non-market savvy player (because their drops will not sell for as much)
As much as I'd appreciate spending less to kit out my characters, price capping at this point would do more harm than good.
It would also likely lead to a situation where there is very little supply to meet the demand. The demand is unlikely to change much, and price capping would exhaust the available supply pretty quickly.
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Also, I dump quite a bit of salvage on the market for obscenely low prices (going for the WW badges for sales, etc). Often my stuff goes cheap but fast, which is what I want trying to sell 1000's of items... (I get bored flipping stuff for the sales badges).
and if that particular salvage is being flipped, you should be able to outbid the flippers by a margin to get what you want... OR place a lowball bid that probably gets filled inbetween the flippers' claiming of bought salvage and placing new bids...
Might be able to get most of what you like much cheaper than your proposed caps. YMMV as always See Dealer for Details.
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I generally dump any unused non-Orange salvage in the market for 1 inf, so I'm doing my part to keep the prices down. Also pretty much any non-crafted recipe for 1 inf as well. I'll craft a recipe if the IO will bring me about a million profit, otherwise not worth my time |
Originally Posted by Chowder
Also, I dump quite a bit of salvage on the market for obscenely low prices (going for the WW badges for sales, etc). Often my stuff goes cheap but fast, which is what I want trying to sell 1000's of items...
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I sell everything for 1 inf. The big sales I get more than make up for the occasional loss.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Those salvage pieces cost a lot because they're in high demand, not just because some ebil marketeer decided to start flipping.
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*looks both ways and skulks away*
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I'm actually quite sure there are a few flippers out there who are making INF this way. I simply refuse to accept that these people are doing anything that permanently affect the market in any significant way. Like Chowder implied there are always times when "reasonable bids" can be filled regardless of what the flipper-monkeys are up to. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by OmegaS
Indeed, no one absolutely no one is strategically buying some salvage types, dumping some at a loss when required, holding back stock, driving some prices up, and making a healthy profit with minimal effort.
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Hence "not just because".
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Originally Posted by OmegaS
*looks both ways and skulks away*
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<snip> be filled regardless of what the flipper-monkeys are up to. *shrugs*
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Agreed, a reasonable bid and a willingness to wait, ofttimes only a few minutes or less, makes all the difference. Permanent and significant effect, agreed,... no way that is happening. It is the "want it nao!" crowd that allows this method to even work|
Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm actually quite sure there are a few flippers out there who are making INF this way. I simply refuse to accept that these people are doing anything that permanently affect the market in any significant way. Like Chowder implied there are always times when "reasonable bids" can be filled regardless of what the flipper-monkeys are up to. *shrugs*
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*goes and looks for more bananas*
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If I'm looking to purchase it, "now" is when it needs to be purchased. If I bid for it and then log off, it doesn't matter if I have one when I log back on to that character weeks/months later because I likely won't remember what I wanted to do with it. |
Originally Posted by OmegaS
Agreed, a reasonable bid and a willingness to wait, ofttimes only a few minutes or less, makes all the difference. Permanent and significant effect, agreed,... no way that is happening. It is the "want it nao!" crowd that allows this method to even work
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Hello, and welcome to the law of unintended consequences. Any cap you impose will just make it worse.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
If I'm looking to purchase it, "now" is when it needs to be purchased. If I bid for it and then log off, it doesn't matter if I have one when I log back on to that character weeks/months later because I likely won't remember what I wanted to do with it.
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What I do:
Make a list of the things I want.
Go through the list bidding "reasonable" numbers on everything.
By the time I'm done with this I usually have most of them.
Admittedly, this is a ridiculous waste of time when I'm sitting on some number of billions of inf, but it's fun.
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In my experience, they ought to be kidding. There's been a couple of times in the past I've put in a 500 inf bid for common salvage and come back that few weeks later and it's still sitting there. It's one of a number of reasons I generally don't like to bother with the market any more other than to dump quick-selling salvage and the occasional recipe.|
Originally Posted by seebs
When people say "a few minutes", they do not kid.
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I used to get basic IOs there, but the supply of those is no longer as steady so I can't rely on them to be there when I need them. And crafting is more annoying than replacing SOs, so more and more I find myself just sticking with the SOs.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Looking at the market today I see that prices are going wild again,now while this does not effect me that much as I have adequate influence to fund my builds,I do feel sorry for the new player who has to try and build funds.
Now I know that what I am going to say next will not be popular with the marketeers out there but here goes.
Would it be possible to put a cap on what is charged for things on the market,now I know that it is supposed to be an auction house and the highest bidder gets paid,but I think that common salvage should at least be capped.
I would suggest that the caps be as follows common at 50,000 uncommon 100,000 and rare no limit.Do you think this would be reasonable if it could be implemented.
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