Preliminary Hybrid Slot Discussion
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Posted on: 2012-04-06 09:40 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Then you aren't doing it right!
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Originally Posted by RevolverMike
I have yet to destroy an AV with a T4 Ionic Judgement.
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I did some testing on beta here are some pylon results on assault core, radial and control radial.
T4 Assault radial pylon time with my kat/SR scrapper: 3min 23sec
T4 Assault core pylon time: 2min 44sec
T4 Control Radial pylon time: 3min 27sec (odd thing about this that both waylan and blight were firing on pylon when I checked combat log I see waylan was firing for whole fight so I think there is something in here)
My other incarnate stuff are muscularate and degen T4 (%75 dot %25 debuff).
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What was your time w/out Hybrid slotted?
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Originally Posted by Kangstor
I did some testing on beta here are some pylon results on assault core, radial and control radial.
T4 Assault radial pylon time with my kat/SR scrapper: 3min 23sec T4 Assault core pylon time: 2min 44sec T4 Control Radial pylon time: 3min 27sec (odd thing about this that both waylan and blight were firing on pylon when I checked combat log I see waylan was firing for whole fight so I think there is something in here) My other incarnate stuff are muscularate and degen T4 (%75 dot %25 debuff). |
Having to pay a heavy end cost for these might be a dealbreaker for me. It was already mentioned in this thread that many builds have already been min/maxed in order to have a proper recovery:usage ratio and something like this can throw many of them for a loop. It's a shame that they aren't giving freespecs with new issues anymore because something like this all but demands it- I know I'll have to respec at least two characters in order to take proper advantage of Hybrid powers unless the end cost is changed.
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I'm already putting a build plan in place to account for the cost. Adding in additional recovery, and scrapping my current Alpha and Destiny powers for Agility and Ageless. Hopefully they change the design or lower the end cost. If not, at least I can get some use out of it this way. It's just irritating that the build will cost a few hundred million extra for a respec recipe.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Having to pay a heavy end cost for these might be a dealbreaker for me. It was already mentioned in this thread that many builds have already been min/maxed in order to have a proper recovery:usage ratio and something like this can throw many of them for a loop. It's a shame that they aren't giving freespecs with new issues anymore because something like this all but demands it- I know I'll have to respec at least two characters in order to take proper advantage of Hybrid powers unless the end cost is changed.
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@Rorn ---- Blue Baron ---- Guardian
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Yeah, I mean, when it comes down to it these powers will probably be worth the respec in many cases, but I just feel that including the freespec, especially when it would be so helpful, would be a nice move on the part of Paragon. I'm bummed that they stopped with that tradition in the first place, but now that it would be such a needed service, I really hope they rethink including it.
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Originally Posted by Vauluur
I'm already putting a build plan in place to account for the cost. Adding in additional recovery, and scrapping my current Alpha and Destiny powers for Agility and Ageless. Hopefully they change the design or lower the end cost. If not, at least I can get some use out of it this way. It's just irritating that the build will cost a few hundred million extra for a respec recipe.
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Did any dev(s) come out and say "no more freespecs, ever," or are we just assuming that? Because I always thought the policy was, "freespecs when and if there's a major change to the game that could cause a lot of players to need to use a respec to take advantage of it" (like inherent Fitness). That we haven't seen any freespecs with recent issues might just be because there's nothing in them that's "forced" us to respec.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Having to pay a heavy end cost for these might be a dealbreaker for me. It was already mentioned in this thread that many builds have already been min/maxed in order to have a proper recovery:usage ratio and something like this can throw many of them for a loop. It's a shame that they aren't giving freespecs with new issues anymore because something like this all but demands it- I know I'll have to respec at least two characters in order to take proper advantage of Hybrid powers unless the end cost is changed.
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I guess freespecs are probably a lot less likely these days, between the new business model and WSTs (hooray, it's the Thorn Tree again!), but I don't remember ever getting a flat-out NO. Something like Hybrid, combined with those new pool powers like Sorcery that we're not supposed to know about yet, might warrant a freespec for VIPs, at least. I wonder if there's a way to just hand them out to characters who meet certain requirements (say, an unlocked Alpha slot), or if "one per character on the account" is as specific as the system can make it?
(Or, you know, they could implement those changes a bunch of us suggested to Ghost Falcon a while back when alignment-change tokens were released and replace VIPs' monthly server transfers with monthly transfer/respec/side-switch tokens... he didn't seem too opposed to the idea.)
FUN FACT: That burst of light when you level up is actually the effectiveness escaping from your enhancements all at once.
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Honestly I don't remember exactly, but someone (I think with the community team) said they wouldn't be giving freespecs with new issues anymore.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Did any dev(s) come out and say "no more freespecs, ever," or are we just assuming that? Because I always thought the policy was, "freespecs when and if there's a major change to the game that could cause a lot of players to need to use a respec to take advantage of it" (like inherent Fitness). That we haven't seen any freespecs with recent issues might just be because there's nothing in them that's "forced" us to respec.
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They never said that. Zwill just said they weren't giving out a free respec with this issue (i22). They said nothing about future issues.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Honestly I don't remember exactly, but someone (I think with the community team) said they wouldn't be giving freespecs with new issues anymore.
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Agreed. They never said that.
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Yea. I do believe they said there was no freespec with I22 because the powerset changes weren't significant enough to warrant one though. I kind of agree with that personally.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Agreed. They never said that.
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MA Arcs: Yarmouth 1509 and 58812
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I'm shoring up the additional endurance by using things like the Panacea procs (Which are now so delightfully cheap and an average of 0.15end/s * (Endmax/100)) and Enhancement Boosters on the /End portions of my attacks. I'm hoping to squeak it without having to change my other Incarnate powers, which might be possible with a bit of reslotting.
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Originally Posted by Vauluur
I'm already putting a build plan in place to account for the cost. Adding in additional recovery, and scrapping my current Alpha and Destiny powers for Agility and Ageless. Hopefully they change the design or lower the end cost. If not, at least I can get some use out of it this way. It's just irritating that the build will cost a few hundred million extra for a respec recipe.
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Do the hybrid get passed through pets like the others? I mean having Melee on every MM pet with the res+def+regen buff would be kind of gdlk.
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Kinda doubt it since Support is a team-wide buff and having a single player able to 7x-stack buffs on their own would be completely broken.|
Originally Posted by Dz131
Do the hybrid get passed through pets like the others? I mean having Melee on every MM pet with the res+def+regen buff would be kind of gdlk.
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They're just powers, not enhancements. Note that Judgement, Lore and Destiny do NOT get passed on to pets.
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Interface is not a enhancement, and it gets passed on. but now that I think about it, since they're toggles it probably won't happen. Since the pet AI aren't programed to use them.
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3min 31 sec. But this was one of my best runs (had lots of crits and BU proc in tactis were very generous in this one) and I didn't had any slips and such the ones I posted before had a few slips so I think they can be improved another 5 or 10 second.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
What was your time w/out Hybrid slotted?
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The only Hybrid that pets appear to inherit is Assault. (aside from the obvious Support also)
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Originally Posted by Dz131
Do the hybrid get passed through pets like the others? I mean having Melee on every MM pet with the res+def+regen buff would be kind of gdlk.
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Currently on Virtue:
Jinrazuo - Crab Spider
RWZ All-Pylon Solo Run
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rly? That's awesome.
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Originally Posted by blueruckus
The only Hybrid that pets appear to inherit is Assault. (aside from the obvious Support also)
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Also, it appears that the buff they're receiving is more than 15% a stack, more around 35%. Still haven't FULLY verified this but will continue testing. Not sure if they're supposed to receive a larger buff like Support or if this is bugged. I'm assuming bugged, but a full army of damage capped Spiders is a beautiful thing to behold.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
rly? That's awesome.
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Currently on Virtue:
Jinrazuo - Crab Spider
RWZ All-Pylon Solo Run
I have yet to destroy an AV with a T4 Ionic Judgement.