Looking for New CoH/CoV gaming computer


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Unless you're moving around a lot and playing CoH from lots of locations, I recommend you stick with a desktop system. They're your most powerful option for gaming. They're also a better bang for the buck than "gaming laptops.
I wanted to add one other pro-laptop reason over desktop and one pitfall of laptops.

I like to sit in my recliner and watch TV while I play City and a desktop wouldn't work for me.

I have 2 different ones. The Dell weighs about 8,000 pounds (not really) and gets nuclear reactor hot (really) on my lap. The Toshiba is very light and blows warm air at my armrest which can get hot (the armrest) after several hours.

So if you like to be lazy and recline on a recliner and sometimes even a bed, a laptop is nice but make sure the thing isn't really heavy and that it doesn't get ridiculously hot.


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Just don't have a laptop directly in your lap if you're a guy and want children someday.
Seriously, there supposedly is evidence that the heat from a laptop can sterilize men, especially considering we wear clothes that insulate nicely once heat gets in.

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I would love more "mobile gaming" actually. I just haven't seen anything that can get the performance I want in that situation.


 

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Okay, if you want balls-to-the-wall right now. Maybe take a look at this setup:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fea...d_best_pc_ever

Coming in at ONLY $12,588

Were I building right now, I'd probably go this route.
There fixed it for you

But the joke aside it's a nice set-up I think the only thing I would change is to go with the newer i7 chip set.

now as for the suggestions in this thread are hugely overkill for CoH yeah they are if all I wanted was to run CoH on a little better them base line I'd stick with my laptop that I'm using now. I'm looking forward to the next 2 or 3 years of CoH and other games both out now and soon to be out.


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There fixed it for you

But the joke aside it's a nice set-up I think the only thing I would change is to go with the newer i7 chip set.
You'll just wind up paying more for a one-off platform (like Socket 1366), that doesn't really give you appreciable benefits.

Unless you're playing something that HEAVILY benefits from hyperthreading, the i5 is a better choice in the price bracket it is in.

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now as for the suggestions in this thread are hugely overkill for CoH yeah they are if all I wanted was to run CoH on a little better them base line I'd stick with my laptop that I'm using now. I'm looking forward to the next 2 or 3 years of CoH and other games both out now and soon to be out.
There is no "overkill". There is only "kill" with ever greater levels of surety.

or

There's no kill like overkill.



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I wanted to add one other pro-laptop reason over desktop and one pitfall of laptops.

I like to sit in my recliner and watch TV while I play City and a desktop wouldn't work for me.

I have 2 different ones. The Dell weighs about 8,000 pounds (not really) and gets nuclear reactor hot (really) on my lap. The Toshiba is very light and blows warm air at my armrest which can get hot (the armrest) after several hours.

So if you like to be lazy and recline on a recliner and sometimes even a bed, a laptop is nice but make sure the thing isn't really heavy and that it doesn't get ridiculously hot.

It's called HDMI cable and wireless keyboard and mouse.



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Are you two playing on safe mode or with stick-figure characters and building block buildings?
Nope, I'm playing in Ultra mode, albeit not everything maxed out.

and my computer was "top of the line" sub-$2000 when I put it together (along the lines of what you suggest in the earlier post for today's hardware)
I found one of the confirmation email, I put that computer together in late '07

ORDER CONTENT:
1 x (10005522) INTEL Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz FSB1333MHz 4M LGA775 Retail BX80557E6750 Processor Retail ***Free Shipping*** @ $198.00

1 x (10006307) GIGABYTE Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset DDR2 1066 ATX GA-P35-DS3L Motherboard Retail ***Free Shipping*** @ $98.31

I upgraded the video card to a Radeon HD5770 in 2010, I also upgraded the system drive to an SSD around that time.


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Then we'll agree to disagree.

My old Radeon HD5700 series can run two instances of the game, one at 1600x1200 the other at 1920x1200,even with CoH being "inefficient" (it does slow down ehn I have both instances of the game in a hami raid, but still playable)
Running both instances simultaneously? Or parking one and playing the other? Also, what settings are you playing at in both instances?

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The title should be change to something like "looking for best gaming computer under $2000", but you guys make it sound like you *need* the balls-to-the-wall big iron. It's fun and cool to have the best computer you can afford. there's nothing wrong with that, and if you play more demanding games than CoH, then you're set. But almost *any* modern computer with a real graphic card (not the integrated crap) will run CoH well.
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by the way all those $500 graphic cards in the link appear to be out of stock,
Yes. AND? They didn't say they were buying "right freakin' nao".
So a little patience and they'll be back in stock.

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and I'm not a fan of the caviar blue (for one thing, it runs poorly in raid configuration if you ever plan to upgrade) I'd get a caviar back instead,
Not running it in RAID configuration. It's SOLELY meant as a data dump drive so one doesn't fill up their SSD.

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but otherwise those suggestions are a nice sub-$2000 killer gaming system. since the OP has very little experience building computers, he may want to stay with a more mainstream cooling solution (heck stock cooler is generally not half bad)
The Corsair coolers aren't all that hard to install.

I'm building a system for someone here on the forums right now with an H80.

Well, not RIGHT now. Kinda sick today and all the components haven't come in.



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Running both instances simultaneously? Or parking one and playing the other? Also, what settings are you playing at in both instances?
As I think I mentioend earlier, one on each monitor, so simultaneous (obviously mouse and kbd focus can only be on of them).


 

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Another suggestion that people can over look. Operating Systems. They can get expensive. If your going Windows 7 you only need home premium. And it is a very very good idea to get the retail version, yes it is more expensive. But it isn't tied to your computer. With OEM copies if you upgrade your machine you can run into issues of not being able to use your copy anymore. Retail is tied to you and the cd key and you have a disc, not the crap OEM disc but a full copy of the OS. And right now I would lean to buy Windows 7 and not get Windows 8 alot of negative reports of Windows 8 so far.

And on the comments of using a old computer. Dude you built a top of the line old computer that does not count. 1 for the fact is it is future proof. 2 cause you blew lots of money for the best back in the day, and now your getting some benefits from it though from experience that extreme amount of extra money doesn't help. Your best bet is to buy parts that are "Future Proof" aka a computer that can be upgraded easily and well. If you going to run 2 instances of Ultra mode at max your going to need some good stuff but you don't have to have a top of the line rig. You could even build a year old machine, which if you buy stuff that is upgradeable would be a good idea cause it will save you money.

Oh and I build computers and have built every computer I own. Though I am not as good as my friend, he is a A+ certified tech and has worked in the field alot. Best help you can do is research the part and manufacture of a part before you buy it, it will save you a huge headache.


 

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to let the op know they may not be any high end ivy bridge (e) lines of chips.
from what i been reading online intel haswel cpu may be out this time next year on another new cpu socket. also the new pci 3.0 video cards (600x) from nvidia wont run at there max speed on an x79 chipset pci 3.0 8t speed).
http://www.techpowerup.com/162942/Ge...E-Systems.html
the only intel chipset is the z77 that first gen pci 3.0 chipset. most mb using this are using the 1150 cpu. have less pci lanes then the x79 and only duel memeory controler and not the quad controler on x79. amd new cpu that will be out in june going to be using the new fx-2 slots. most good case vendors like antec the cases are mostly tooless where you just slide the cd-rom drive in and your done. I picked myself up an antec 100 case from new egg 54.00
nice simple case one/off usb 3,.0 and speaker header on front. has nice cable management and big cut out on mb tray to put on cpu heat sinks.
down side of the case is max lenth is 10.5 but take a look at the case and other. the good gaming cases are going to have large side or top fan the larger fans you can use the slower they have to spin and the lower the sound is from your case. good gaming ps will have one large 12v rail.


 

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If your going Windows 7 you only need home premium.
Only if you're capping memory below 16GB.
If you're loading a system with more than that, you need to go Pro or Ultimate (up to 192GB).



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Only if you're capping memory below 16GB.
If you're loading a system with more than that, you need to go Pro or Ultimate (up to 192GB).
How many games out there can take advantage of >32bit process address space? Pretty much all games are still 32bits (I can't recall any 64bit ones...), and I doubt any use AWE to use more then the normal limit for 32bit processors. Even dual boxing most won't be pushing the limits of an 8GB system, much less a 16! I'd hazard a guess that by the time 16GB starts becoming a problem, you'd be ready to upgrade your OS anyways.


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How many games out there can take advantage of >32bit process address space? Pretty much all games are still 32bits (I can't recall any 64bit ones...), and I doubt any use AWE to use more then the normal limit for 32bit processors. Even dual boxing most won't be pushing the limits of an 8GB system, much less a 16! I'd hazard a guess that by the time 16GB starts becoming a problem, you'd be ready to upgrade your OS anyways.
I didn't say they necessarily WOULD be. Just saying that if you're mounting more than 16GB of RAM, you need an OS that can see it all.

Then again, you get people like me. I don't use my box solely for gaming. I have a SQL instance that regularly hits 5+GB of memory utilization.



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Also, for those interested, I'm currently building a computer for a fellow forum member here.

If you want to, you're more than welcome to take a look-see.



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I didn't say they necessarily WOULD be. Just saying that if you're mounting more than 16GB of RAM, you need an OS that can see it all.

Then again, you get people like me. I don't use my box solely for gaming. I have a SQL instance that regularly hits 5+GB of memory utilization.
If you use the computer for more than gaming (Microsoft Office / Minesweeper / "Facebook" don't count) then you could quite realistically use more (I regularly have a number of large VMs running at once!).

Although I did remember one game that's 64bits: Minecraft Not sure how much memory it actually uses in practice (never bother checking), but it warns you that on max render distance it'll often crash on 32bit JVMs... but I think that might just be because the JVM sucks (or it could be a difference between the client & "server" JVM).


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Java.

Write once.

Beta everywhere.



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I'm literally drooling over here. My Alienware that I purchased in around 2005 was "top of the line" or so I THOUGHT at the time. After a long absence from the game, I've recently returned (that Alienware wasn't even turned on for all those years...I literally only use it for COH...use laptop for surfing/email/etc) to find that my little 3 Gigs of memory don't seem to cut it anymore. Had to turn settings WAAAAAYYY down from what they were before my absence so that now I feel like I'm playing, as someone described earlier, with stick figures and such.

I want to thank the OP for this thread, because I was just about to post something similar. I have the same price range and I'm in the market as well.

What really made me want to post, though, was all these AMAZING looking "rigs" and parts and pieces!! I will NEVER forget the day my Alienware arrived...(keep in mind I was playing on something equivalent to a Commodore 64 up until my gaming Alienware arrived) ...I logged in, and WHAM...I could NOT BELIEVE how real, alive, vibrant, clear, SHOCKINGLY AMAZING the game looked through my massive flat screen and new computer. I could dual box with ease, and did so often. Trials, TFs, Hamis, etc all EFFORTLESS. Now, trials lag me badly and dual boxing causes way too much choppiness and sound looping/issues. I want the old days back pretty badly.

But, you see, I'm a guy who knows NOTHING about that stuff. I mean literally not a thing. Overclocking? 32bits? Processor? All of that is as clear to me as a foreign language. Which is why, 7 years ago, I bought from Alienware. Guess I'd rather pay the little extra (or a lot extra) to have it DONE...I plug it in and play. Now, in hindsight, if I had gone a different route I probably would be able to upgrade and have all that joy back, but have been told that my memory is at the max. Sigh.

Can you guys offer some words of advice for guys like me who are in a similar situation as the OP, but differently, we have no technical background or expertise. We are the ones Alienware and other companies make their money from because it's easier to just give them the money and be done with it. Let's say I have $2000...where do I go from here? Are there people such as @Hyperstrike above who will use our money to build the best BEST possible gaming rig in return for a fee? If so, HOW do you find them?

I'm just a teacher...I work all day...but I LOVE this game and I want to experience it the BEST possible way. I don't, however, have the knowledge necessary to put something like this together. Is this a case of "it's not what you know it's who you know"?

Thanks again, OP, for posting this. It's been great to see all the responses from the point of view of someone who is in a similar position.

If anyone has tips for me and would like to share in-game, globals are @Clever One and @Justice29. (on @Clever One mostly these days)


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I'm literally drooling over here. My Alienware that I purchased in around 2005 was "top of the line" or so I THOUGHT at the time. After a long absence from the game, I've recently returned (that Alienware wasn't even turned on for all those years...I literally only use it for COH...use laptop for surfing/email/etc) to find that my little 3 Gigs of memory don't seem to cut it anymore. Had to turn settings WAAAAAYYY down from what they were before my absence so that now I feel like I'm playing, as someone described earlier, with stick figures and such.

I want to thank the OP for this thread, because I was just about to post something similar. I have the same price range and I'm in the market as well.

What really made me want to post, though, was all these AMAZING looking "rigs" and parts and pieces!! I will NEVER forget the day my Alienware arrived...(keep in mind I was playing on something equivalent to a Commodore 64 up until my gaming Alienware arrived) ...I logged in, and WHAM...I could NOT BELIEVE how real, alive, vibrant, clear, SHOCKINGLY AMAZING the game looked through my massive flat screen and new computer. I could dual box with ease, and did so often. Trials, TFs, Hamis, etc all EFFORTLESS. Now, trials lag me badly and dual boxing causes way too much choppiness and sound looping/issues. I want the old days back pretty badly.

But, you see, I'm a guy who knows NOTHING about that stuff. I mean literally not a thing. Overclocking? 32bits? Processor? All of that is as clear to me as a foreign language. Which is why, 7 years ago, I bought from Alienware. Guess I'd rather pay the little extra (or a lot extra) to have it DONE...I plug it in and play. Now, in hindsight, if I had gone a different route I probably would be able to upgrade and have all that joy back, but have been told that my memory is at the max. Sigh.

Can you guys offer some words of advice for guys like me who are in a similar situation as the OP, but differently, we have no technical background or expertise. We are the ones Alienware and other companies make their money from because it's easier to just give them the money and be done with it. Let's say I have $2000...where do I go from here? Are there people such as @Hyperstrike above who will use our money to build the best BEST possible gaming rig in return for a fee? If so, HOW do you find them?

I'm just a teacher...I work all day...but I LOVE this game and I want to experience it the BEST possible way. I don't, however, have the knowledge necessary to put something like this together. Is this a case of "it's not what you know it's who you know"?

Thanks again, OP, for posting this. It's been great to see all the responses from the point of view of someone who is in a similar position.

If anyone has tips for me and would like to share in-game, globals are @Clever One and @Justice29. (on @Clever One mostly these days)

Okay, if you have the cash, but haven't got the desire or technical backing to build for yourself, two of the "enthusiast" builders I'd recommend (having seen and worked on their products) are CyberPowerPC and iBuyPower.

As for who here would do a build for you. As I stated in the thread I'm working up for a build I'm doing currently, I honestly don't know. I know several of the tech-heads here. But not who does or doesn't go into system building.

Moreover, it's very hard for people to put it out that they do. Forum rules specifically prohibit people offering goods or services for sale for real money on the forums.

Also, I don't do a lot of system building for people. The building of systems is relatively straightforward. It's the ongoing support issues that are something I'm not able to deal with. This person was kinda in a bind, I had the opening in my schedule, and they're technically savvy enough to support themselves (plus they picked the components already). So my input is limited to basic assembly and asking a few questions about layout choices.

Basically from CyberPower I can put together a Z68 based system with i5 2550K, 8GB of RAM, a GTX 680, 120GB SSD with a 2GB HD data drive, 24" monitor and OS, shipped in a 2 week time frame for about $1950 shipped.

iBP can deliver a nearly identical system for a bit more than that.

Both of them will suck the doors off an Alienware rig.



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Is Windows 8 really already out?
Windows 7 doesn't even seem that old and they're already replacign it with the touch-optimized semi-mobile OS?

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Is Windows 8 really already out?
Windows 7 doesn't even seem that old and they're already replacign it with the touch-optimized semi-mobile OS?

Wow!
Windows 8 is in open beta.
You have to understand one thing about Windows 7 it was a rush job to replace Vista, aka fix Vista. When the said they were making Windows 7 that they would start working on the Windows 8. In fact they have alluded to releasing the next versions of Windows faster. Windows 7 was a fixed version of Vista, in lamens terms, released to get us by till the next Windows version.

Um about having more ram then 16GB. Yes that point is valid but you won't need it for awhile by that time your going to be doing a lot of upgrading though buying a board that can handle more ram is a good idea but to get say 32GB of ram right of the bat is a bit extreme. Oh and if you buy a retail copy of Window it comes with both 32 and 64bit copies of Windows. Where did you get the idea I wasn't running a 64 bit OS on my computer. And if your going to upgrade from Home Premium go Ultimate. Pro is not a upgrade of Home Premium it is a different version and doesn't have some of the capabilities of Home Premium but does have some of its own features. Ultimate is Home Premium+Pro+Some extra stuff, and it uses a lot more resources.


 

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Windows 8 is in open beta.
You have to understand one thing about Windows 7 it was a rush job to replace Vista, aka fix Vista. When the said they were making Windows 7 that they would start working on the Windows 8. In fact they have alluded to releasing the next versions of Windows faster. Windows 7 was a fixed version of Vista, in lamens terms, released to get us by till the next Windows version.
Well, I didn't know that, but they sure did a hell of a lot better job on Windows 7 than Vista.
Vista is a pain on the other computers my family has, but I have rarely ever had an issue with 7, even if it isn't my ideal operating system.

I can't wait to see what Windows 8 offers since I heard it is intended to be more streamlined so that it can also work on tablets.


 

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Just want to say thanks for all the feedback, info and suggestions. At this time I think I have enough info to realistically buy with confidence and will likely be placing an order in the next 2 to 3 weeks based a lot on the links Hyperstrike posted.

By all means keep the thread going if others are getting good info, I have it bookmarked and will be checking back especially when I get ready to order and Hyperstrike I will likely send you a PM or two when I get the products derived if I need a suggestion or a something’s got me stumped as I’m putting it together.

As for Windows 8 I don’t care how good it is I won’t buy it until they release the first major update and fix everything they broke when they pushed it out, so I would think December 2012 or January 2013 at best.

Justice29, putting a computer together really isn’t that hard once you get all the parts you need it’s just modular assembly job, boxes inside boxes. My big issue is getting all the parts and making sure all the parts fit together. You have to buy the right chip set for the right motherboard with a power supply that delivers enough juice for the all the demand. Other then that the only other risk is putting the chip set into the motherboard wrong or applying the thermal paste wrong. Ok so maybe it’s not “Easy” but if I can tackle the job I’m sure you can.


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