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The Base License and pre-made bases aren't a bad idea, but paying real money for individual base items seems like a bit of a stretch.
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Originally Posted by Tutelary
Please provide a base license around the price of an Invention or AE license for Premium players. In other words, I can pay rent and start a new SG. Or you could even sell them like character slots with no base upkeep. I would also be interested in buying pre-made bases as well as individual items such as teleporters, control and power. Hopefully, if bases would see more direct revenue then we can get some true base love.
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I guess you probably mean you don't want to have to pay prestige for your base, but on the off chance you or anyone reading this has the prestige but don't want to mess with figuring out how to build I have noticed there are a number of players who will do it for free, or for some influence in the Base Forum|
Originally Posted by Tutelary
I would also be interested in buying pre-made bases...
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Hope this helps.
The ability to create SG's and pay Base Rent is one of the few things exclusive to VIP's.
They are giving enough away for free or for such a small amount of money already that the VIP sub is almost devalued.
/jranger
EDIT: All it takes is for you to ask a VIP to help you create the SG and start the base. They can then hand you the Leader position and quit the SG.
Then fill the base with items that don't cost base rent, or if you insist on having those types of items you can either invite some VIP strictly for the purpose of paying rent or ask on the forums for a VIP that's willing to put a filler character in your base that can log in once a month to pay rent.
I've seen enough offers from long-time players that are well known on the forums to know that you'd likely be able to find some takers.
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Regardless of what our personal opinions are about the OP's suggestion the devs have gone on record several times that they will not in any way do anything to make it easier for players to create solo SG/Bases. The devs are adamant that SG's/bases and everything in them are multi-player oriented content and will remain so.
Since CoX went F2P I've, more than once, helped Premium players start SG's. Granted, I'm limited to Protector, Virtue, and Freedom for helping, as those are the servers that house anything level 10 or above, but I can sympathize on some level with the Preemies that if they can get into a SG, they should be able to, at the VERY LEAST, be able to pay base rent, as it's a setting built into the command system of ranks for SG members.
That being said, Protector, Freedom, and Virtue. You need help creating a SG (Red or Blue Side), send me a tell. 9 times out of 10 I'm not doing much more than base building, so sparing a few minutes is no problem for me.
Ask me really nice, and have the Prestige to go along with it, and I'll build a basic base to facilitate. 
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Unless they changed things pretty drastically I was able to get solo bases up and running for both factions without much trouble....converting inf to prestige, even with the hilarious exchange rate, is the path to success.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Regardless of what our personal opinions are about the OP's suggestion the devs have gone on record several times that they will not in any way do anything to make it easier for players to create solo SG/Bases. The devs are adamant that SG's/bases and everything in them are multi-player oriented content and will remain so.
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I am mildly annoyed that as a 'freebie' I can't pay the rent on my existing bases....but I've already had several VIP's offer to help me out if I don't end up re-subbing.
Over they years, I've found the game presents very few obstacles that asking around for help can't conquer...
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Nice sentiment, Goat! I may have to sig that.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Over they years, I've found the game presents very few obstacles that asking around for help can't conquer...
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You needed two accounts to do it if you wanted to invite your own alts into the SG's. Either two of your own accounts or you and another player.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Unless they changed things pretty drastically I was able to get solo bases up and running for both factions without much trouble....converting inf to prestige, even with the hilarious exchange rate, is the path to success.
I am mildly annoyed that as a 'freebie' I can't pay the rent on my existing bases....but I've already had several VIP's offer to help me out if I don't end up re-subbing. Over they years, I've found the game presents very few obstacles that asking around for help can't conquer... |
And for the record I have done the solo SG/Base myself more than once. I just pretty much completed a solo base on Justice using the very techniques you describe.
Now while you and I may not be bothered by the hurdles we have to go thru, other people are more sensitive about it, and/or they don't like asking for help.
Back to the devs opinion on solo SG's. I recall the devs response to a recent request for offline/email SG invites where the devs flat out told us that if they were to add such a feature to the game they would deliberately code it so we couldn't send invites to characters on the same account.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You needed two accounts to do it if you wanted to invite your own alts into the SG's. Either two of your own accounts or you and another player.
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Oh I thought the logic chain was All VIP's are evil elitist snobs that wouldn't stoop to help a Prem pay rent unless he was out to steal his stuff out from under him!|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Oh yeah, forgot about that detail- still, not a big hurdle for anyone who can type "hey, can someone help me start a SG base?"
Even the new, improved kinder & gentler me has little patience for a logic chain that starts with we must help those who are too petrified of human contact to ask for help in a help-rich environment! =P |
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License to pay: would have to be something like 3 months at a time or something to make it worthwhile even slightly, but I like the idea for both convenience and for getting money directed to base attention. |
Originally Posted by Tutelary
Please provide a base license around the price of an Invention or AE license for Premium players. In other words, I can pay rent and start a new SG. Or you could even sell them like character slots with no base upkeep. I would also be interested in buying pre-made bases as well as individual items such as teleporters, control and power. Hopefully, if bases would see more direct revenue then we can get some true base love.
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Account wide "base maintenance" license for things like rent:
3 months, 800 points
6 months, 1400 points
1 year, 2500 points
Prices so high for so little because it *is* account wide, as long as you have SG rank.
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Originally Posted by Miakis
The Base License and pre-made bases aren't a bad idea, but paying real money for individual base items seems like a bit of a stretch.
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1. You buy it, but don't have a base - too bad.
2. You buy it, but don't have rights to place it on the character you claimed it on - too bad, again.
3. You buy it, have rights to place it, do so, then you or someone else deletes it - no refunds, too bad.
4. Pre-made bases - what if you try to use it on an existing base?
Too many problems with that. It's a CS/Support nightmare waiting to happen. Otherwise, I'd be for it - more money focused on getting base fixes and improvements.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
The ability to create SG's and pay Base Rent is one of the few things exclusive to VIP's.
They are giving enough away for free or for such a small amount of money already that the VIP sub is almost devalued. |
You can almost count on it as a response to everything. Some people are *so* insecure about their precious "VIP status." Kind of like people being insecure about posting their builds because other people can "steal" them - oh, yeah, and they can buy the IOs they "worked so hard" to get in game to fill out the build. Guess what. It doesn't hurt you *one bit.* In fact, it would help you, because there's more money coming into your favorite game to get stuff done and keep it alive.
What an *awful* thing to have happen!
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Didn't take long for that to show up, did it. "Other people paying to have fun with something specific devalues my paying to have fun with access to almost everything! How dare other people want to give money to have fun!"
You can almost count on it as a response to everything. Some people are *so* insecure about their precious "VIP status." Kind of like people being insecure about posting their builds because other people can "steal" them - oh, yeah, and they can buy the IOs they "worked so hard" to get in game to fill out the build. Guess what. It doesn't hurt you *one bit.* In fact, it would help you, because there's more money coming into your favorite game to get stuff done and keep it alive. What an *awful* thing to have happen! |
See what I mean? Some people just love portraying VIP's as the bad guys.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
See what I mean? Some people just love portraying VIP's as the bad guys.
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Hmmm. What color is my name on the board?
And what does that mean?
Yeah. Obviously I'm "portraying VIPs as bad guys." Because obviously all VIPs are in terror of having their status "diminished" ... except, of course, that I'm VIP and arguing in favor of this. Sheer genius. I think the squirrel needs to cut down on his drinking. He's messing with your mind.
My issue is with people who think opening things to other people - that they have to pay for separately - somehow "diminishes" them, and so they want to lock as much away behind their "special" status as possible and fight tooth and nail for every inch, no matter how it would be convenient for others *or* make Paragon Studios money to keep developing more stuff for the game.
I mean, c'mon, he's arguing that nobody but "special" people should be able to pay rent (no matter how that's controlled by the individual supergroups, so even the "special" VIPs may not be able to.) Does it really, *really* hurt him that someone else can - *gasp!* - click on the registrar to keep the base powered? That's SO detrimental to the game?
Honestly, if he were talking about editing vs not editing, I'd have a little more sympathy. It's more involved. It's the sort of thing that would be seen as a privilege. And I actually *could* see that getting stuck behind VIP as a perk (as it is, IIRC, a Premium with the right rights or level can edit still.) But *paying rent?* Really?
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The only reason you have to pay upkeep is if you have storage!
pssst!
All a vip needs to pay upkeep is permissions, not rank!
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Honestly, if he were talking about editing vs not editing, I'd have a little more sympathy. It's more involved. It's the sort of thing that would be seen as a privilege. And I actually *could* see that getting stuck behind VIP as a perk (as it is, IIRC, a Premium with the right rights or level can edit still.) But *paying rent?* Really?
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I think the easiest way around this is to create a little kiosk you can buy with prestige or make with salvage, which you can place in any room in the base (including entry way), where you can pay rent. Leave the SG registrar alone, don't implement silly licenses. That way preemies are still restricted from creating SGs/granting bases to SGs who don't have them, but existing supergroups are not required to look outside their ranks for a veep to keep the power on.
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Hmm. I kind of like that idea. The SG has to be active enough to make the prestige/salvage/etc to make the thing in the first place, it's convenient for everyone (I hate having to duck back to Atlas or Oakes to pay rent, honestly, even with the market teleporter) and it's something that's been asked for on and off for a long time. |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I think the easiest way around this is to create a little kiosk you can buy with prestige or make with salvage, which you can place in any room in the base (including entry way), where you can pay rent. Leave the SG registrar alone, don't implement silly licenses. That way preemies are still restricted from creating SGs/granting bases to SGs who don't have them, but existing supergroups are not required to look outside their ranks for a veep to keep the power on.
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/gives Agg cookies for great solution.
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I like this idea a lot!
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I think the easiest way around this is to create a little kiosk you can buy with prestige or make with salvage, which you can place in any room in the base (including entry way), where you can pay rent. Leave the SG registrar alone, don't implement silly licenses. That way preemies are still restricted from creating SGs/granting bases to SGs who don't have them, but existing supergroups are not required to look outside their ranks for a veep to keep the power on.
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The fact that you are a VIP doesn't matter. We have plenty of VIP's on the forums that paint fellow VIP's as bad guys when they agree with the devs decisions about Freedom's account restrictions and subscription incentives. They've been doing it since Freedom was announced in June of 2011.|
Originally Posted by Stormbird
Hmmm. What color is my name on the board?
And what does that mean? Yeah. Obviously I'm "portraying VIPs as bad guys." Because obviously all VIPs are in terror of having their status "diminished" ... except, of course, that I'm VIP and arguing in favor of this. Sheer genius. I think the squirrel needs to cut down on his drinking. He's messing with your mind. |
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I think the easiest way around this is to create a little kiosk you can buy with prestige or make with salvage, which you can place in any room in the base (including entry way), where you can pay rent. Leave the SG registrar alone, don't implement silly licenses. That way preemies are still restricted from creating SGs/granting bases to SGs who don't have them, but existing supergroups are not required to look outside their ranks for a veep to keep the power on.
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It would be nice if the devs implemented this.
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tldr; people are reading way too much into the suggestion. It is simply informing PS what I'm willing to pay for as a Premium player. |
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
The ability to create SG's and pay Base Rent is one of the few things exclusive to VIP's.
They are giving enough away for free or for such a small amount of money already that the VIP sub is almost devalued. /jranger EDIT: All it takes is for you to ask a VIP to help you create the SG and start the base. They can then hand you the Leader position and quit the SG. Then fill the base with items that don't cost base rent, or if you insist on having those types of items you can either invite some VIP strictly for the purpose of paying rent or ask on the forums for a VIP that's willing to put a filler character in your base that can log in once a month to pay rent. I've seen enough offers from long-time players that are well known on the forums to know that you'd likely be able to find some takers. |
Believe me, I've tried broadcasting, sending tells, etc for hours. I found one person, didn't expect them to stay in the SG but they did but now he hasn't shown up for a couple months and is on hide. I know this because I saw him in one of my global channels yet not on global friends list. We barely talked so either he decided he didn't want to pay base upkeep anymore or just doesn't care. Anyways, it is not as easy as some make it out to be.
The reason I never posted on the forums was that I wasn't sure PS wanted me saying "hey, would someone mind paying my upkeep on my existing base?" I feel like I am asking to help avoid the $15/month, which I am. I'm just not interested in Incarnates or the other freebies enough to pay the monthly fee and there is something about the appeal of buying once and having permanent access. But I would be willing to pay a smaller monthly license fee like AE and Inventions.
Since many thought this game would never go f2p and have a cash shop, I will keep asking from time to time for microtransactions more suited to me. I may eventually shell out for the extra storage for characters but right now, I can't justify what I consider exorbitant prices. I like bases and they are fun, but not $15 fun. You may consider that nothing but I enjoy the free play even though I shelled out $65 in points since Freedom started. Yes, I could have bought a few months play but I doubt there is a way I could make anyone in this thread understand my choices.
I'm not trying to argue or rally against others wishes which is what it feels like when reading the reply of some very vocal forumites. If others like to make snarky comments or imply I'm stupid in some way, can't ask for help, etc and the message gets lost then there is not much I can do about it except to continue letting a business know where I will open my wallet from time to time. I appreciate the VIP value argument as well but hopefully it clarifies where I'm coming from. I don't see this so much as a subscription game anymore.
Thanks for the reply and helpful info, Texas Justice. I'm assuming the place to post the request is in Player Help since I do not have access to the server forums?
And thanks Obsidian Light, I did send you a tell.
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Originally Posted by Tutelary
Thanks for the reply and helpful info, Texas Justice. I'm assuming the place to post the request is in Player Help since I do not have access to the server forums? And thanks Obsidian Light, I did send you a tell. |
Player Help would be one place to ask for assistance or possibly City Life. If you mention the server in this thread you may even get an offer from someone. As long as it isn't Justice I'd be willing to roll an alt just to help you out and I'm sure there are others that would be willing to help as well.
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Sorry you went through such a ringer in game and here. Unfortunately, innocent comments sometimes unleash the fury of the self appointed keepers of dev dogma (and their opponents). The good news is not everyone is like that... and dogma can change if enough players can make a convincing argument. Looks like something positive resulted afterall. Keep your chin up and have fun.
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Originally Posted by Tutelary
tldr; people are reading way too much into the suggestion. It is simply informing PS what I'm willing to pay for as a Premium player.
Believe me, I've tried broadcasting, sending tells, etc for hours. I found one person, didn't expect them to stay in the SG but they did but now he hasn't shown up for a couple months and is on hide. I know this because I saw him in one of my global channels yet not on global friends list. We barely talked so either he decided he didn't want to pay base upkeep anymore or just doesn't care. Anyways, it is not as easy as some make it out to be. The reason I never posted on the forums was that I wasn't sure PS wanted me saying "hey, would someone mind paying my upkeep on my existing base?" I feel like I am asking to help avoid the $15/month, which I am. I'm just not interested in Incarnates or the other freebies enough to pay the monthly fee and there is something about the appeal of buying once and having permanent access. But I would be willing to pay a smaller monthly license fee like AE and Inventions. Since many thought this game would never go f2p and have a cash shop, I will keep asking from time to time for microtransactions more suited to me. I may eventually shell out for the extra storage for characters but right now, I can't justify what I consider exorbitant prices. I like bases and they are fun, but not $15 fun. You may consider that nothing but I enjoy the free play even though I shelled out $65 in points since Freedom started. Yes, I could have bought a few months play but I doubt there is a way I could make anyone in this thread understand my choices. I'm not trying to argue or rally against others wishes which is what it feels like when reading the reply of some very vocal forumites. If others like to make snarky comments or imply I'm stupid in some way, can't ask for help, etc and the message gets lost then there is not much I can do about it except to continue letting a business know where I will open my wallet from time to time. I appreciate the VIP value argument as well but hopefully it clarifies where I'm coming from. I don't see this so much as a subscription game anymore. Thanks for the reply and helpful info, Texas Justice. I'm assuming the place to post the request is in Player Help since I do not have access to the server forums? And thanks Obsidian Light, I did send you a tell. |
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Please provide a base license around the price of an Invention or AE license for Premium players. In other words, I can pay rent and start a new SG. Or you could even sell them like character slots with no base upkeep. I would also be interested in buying pre-made bases as well as individual items such as teleporters, control and power. Hopefully, if bases would see more direct revenue then we can get some true base love.