If the choice is between those two sets, ElecArmor would be the choice I would use for endgame. Capped Energy Resist and decent Psy resists, build for S/L defense backed with decent S/L resists and you're set.
Inv.
Everyone should have an Inv tanker.
Why go with another primary and settle for S/L capping when you can go Inv and cap EVERYTHING (save psi, which is still covered by decent positional defenses)?
Built right, the only thing that's more durable than an Inv is a Stoner. And you have none of the stoner's limitations.
Moreover, you have the ability to be a fully self-contained and self-sufficient combatant that nothing less than multiple non-incarnate AVs trying VERY hard will take down.
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I concur. My Elec Armor/EM tanker rocks.
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Originally Posted by Sir Hextor
If the choice is between those two sets, ElecArmor would be the choice I would use for endgame. Capped Energy Resist and decent Psy resists, build for S/L defense backed with decent S/L resists and you're set.
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Elec/SS is easily one of the best tanker combinations out there. Elec armor has the damage aura to feed off Rage, and the endurance management to support it. Also, with the ATO proc, you can now get 90% S/L resistance on an Elec tanker without the help of Cardiac and PVP IO's.
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Funny I have no PvP IOs in my ele tank and im caped s/l res even befor the ATO procs came out. But I think it is more along your pref like Hyper I pref Inv over Ele, for good KB prot on the ele u need to have either KB procs, or stay on the ground while u go to place to place, one wrong jump and your KBed.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Elec/SS is easily one of the best tanker combinations out there. Elec armor has the damage aura to feed off Rage, and the endurance management to support it. Also, with the ATO proc, you can now get 90% S/L resistance on an Elec tanker without the help of Cardiac and PVP IO's.
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I'm guessing you got the 90% S/L with either Barrier, Resilient, or PVP sets.|
Originally Posted by LSK
Funny I have no PvP IOs in my ele tank and im caped s/l res even befor the ATO procs came out. But I think it is more along your pref like Hyper I pref Inv over Ele, for good KB prot on the ele u need to have either KB procs, or stay on the ground while u go to place to place, one wrong jump and your KBed.
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And I don't have any KB issues with just grounded on my Elec brute. It's probably due to softcapped S/L defense.
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Invulnerability vs. Electric resistances:|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Why go with another primary and settle for S/L capping when you can go Inv and cap EVERYTHING (save psi, which is still covered by decent positional defenses)?
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S/L = 45% vs. 35%
Energy = 20% vs. 82.5%
Negative = 20% vs. 30%
F/C = 15% vs. 35%
Toxic = 15% vs. 0%
Psi = 0% vs. 35%
Unstoppable and Power Surge are essentially the same power.
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Actually I have yet done the incarnate for it.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I'm guessing you got the 90% S/L with either Barrier, Resilient, or PVP sets.
And I don't have any KB issues with just grounded on my Elec brute. It's probably due to softcapped S/L defense. |
For all out toughness, I might have to tip my hand to Invuln. the set on its own can grant almost 30% defense with Invinicibility flooded. As hyper mentioned, invuln is quite easy to softcap to everything but psi, My own Inv/SS tanker sits at 48% defense to all but psi with just 1 enemy in range of invinicibility, gets to nearly 60% defense when flooded.
However, Electric is still fun, has a fast acting heal (and the resulting regen can be perma with the right build) and does have good resists.
They're both fun, they can both be tough, pick one and go with it. Hell I just soloed the 'Find Statesman' map at x8+1 with lvl 51 AV's (Malaise and Mother Mayhem) on my Fire/Fire/Pyre tanker (and it doesn't have anything but alpha slotted either).
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Never underestimate invul, it's still probably the best balanced set out there BUT:|
Originally Posted by hidbyflames
Just got my brute to 50 plus 3 so time to start a new toon mainly for end game is the purpose never had a Inv tank or Elec tank trying to decide which is better for end game as far as defense and being able to tank all in my path, SS is gonna be my secondary got about 2 bil to spend and enough reward merits to get all i need please give some opinions. (usually a WP kinda buy)
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With three stacks of the superior ATO proc and cardiac, my IO/d Ele/TW tanker can get
S/L: 90 (obviously)
E: 90 (obviously)
N: 80 ( Ele/ss probably gets a bit less)
F: 90 (ATO proc for the win!)
C: 90 (ATO proc for the win!)
P: 90 (ATO proc for the win!)
T: 39.something
With so MUCH resistance, def is far less important in many situations that would normally require it, and situations that involve absurd levels of tohitbuff are far less relevant to you than to anyone else that can walk over medium sized curbs.
EDIT: To be fair, you'll need to slot some knock IOs to be able to safely negotiate said curbs yourself, and I actually NEED some extra mez resist slotted to survive the stuns and holds that come with the damage I can take but...
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I've run trials with both.
While neither fared poorly and both were fun, if I were going to choose for some serious trial running - to pile up e-merits for instance - Invulnerability would be my second choice.
That base energy and psi resistance in ElecA/ is just that nice against the current trial mix of foes.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
That base energy and psi resistance in ElecA/ is just that nice against the current trial mix of foes.
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A swarm of arachnoids or, if you could imagine such a thing, praetorian elder snakes (hey, who knows right?) might turn the tables against elec pretty quickly.
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Agreed, hence my use of the word current. Hard to say what to expect once we get past the Praetorian mess.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
It would probably be worth noting that there's no way to predict what future mob comp might be like
A swarm of arachnoids or, if you could imagine such a thing, praetorian elder snakes (hey, who knows right?) might turn the tables against elec pretty quickly. |
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One of the best parts about Inv is the HP cap. When an Inv tanker wants the extra resists, he can pop oranges/temp powers/unstoppable/get buffs from a sonic/thermal/pain/kin. When an Elec tanker wants Inv's level of HP(approximately 50% more), he has to get a Cold to buff him with Frostwork.
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True, but that discounts that when an Elec tanker wants more survivability he can pop purples/temp powers/power surge/get buffs from a sonic/thermal/pain/cold/kin... |
Originally Posted by Auroxis
One of the best parts about Inv is the HP cap. When an Inv tanker wants the extra resists, he can pop oranges/temp powers/unstoppable/get buffs from a sonic/thermal/pain/kin. When an Elec tanker wants Inv's level of HP(approximately 50% more), he has to get a Cold to buff him with Frostwork.
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Obviously, but that's besides the point. My point is that there are a lot of ways to obtain capped defense/resistance, but very few ways to obtain capped HP. You basically have to either be a Stone tanker, an Inv tanker, an Ice tanker, a REALLY beefed up WP tanker, or have a cold with Frostwork on your team.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
True, but that discounts that when an Elec tanker wants more survivability he can pop purples/temp powers/power surge/get buffs from a sonic/thermal/pain/cold/kin...
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Elec armor >> Invul hands down. Invul has a huge psi gab and typed defense is expensive to set out.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Obviously, but that's besides the point. My point is that there are a lot of ways to obtain capped defense/resistance, but very few ways to obtain capped HP. You basically have to either be a Stone tanker, an Inv tanker, an Ice tanker, a REALLY beefed up WP tanker, or have a cold with Frostwork on your team.
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It's a heck of a lot LESS expensive for Invul than it is for Electric. If you're comparing defense, Invul wins hands down.
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Originally Posted by Dogma
Elec armor >> Invul hands down. Invul has a huge psi gab and typed defense is expensive to set out.
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Wait? What? Both are typed def tanks and they r not expensive to build of u have the merits, but I got my Inv/SS tank capped with little bit of inf. If memory serves me correctly psi is also lethal damage and i have a good psi def if built right.
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Originally Posted by Dogma
Elec armor >> Invul hands down. Invul has a huge psi gab and typed defense is expensive to set out.
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Incorrect. Elec Armor does not have specific typed defense to build upon like Inv does. Heck, Elec Armor starts with no defense at all. |
Originally Posted by LSK
Wait? What? Both are typed def tanks
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You can go for positional defenses on an Elec tanker (I did so on mine).
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There are no attacks that deal both psychic damage and lethal damage. Softcapping Lethal defense won't help you deal with psy damage.
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Originally Posted by LSK
If memory serves me correctly psi is also lethal damage and i have a good psi def if built right.
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Electric Armour can be very strong, but I'd hesitate to say it's stronger than Invulnerability. Electric Armour, after all, doesn't get Dull Pain.|
Originally Posted by Dogma
Elec armor >> Invul hands down. Invul has a huge psi gab and typed defense is expensive to set out.
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Invulnerability can hit the hit point cap. It also gets Defense Debuff Resistance.
I couldn't come close to saying which set is stronger when you sink billions of influence into each build, but it's much closer than you're saying.
The only set that I'd say is stronger than any other, Hands Down, is Stone Armour with Granite. Soft capped Defenses, 90% resist all but Psionic, Hit point cap, and good regeneration? It's got everything.
Just got my brute to 50 plus 3 so time to start a new toon mainly for end game is the purpose never had a Inv tank or Elec tank trying to decide which is better for end game as far as defense and being able to tank all in my path, SS is gonna be my secondary got about 2 bil to spend and enough reward merits to get all i need please give some opinions. (usually a WP kinda buy)