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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Okay. I think I know the two current ways. Buy Super Packs and run Incarnate Trials. I hear that in i22 they will drop randomly in, er any?, 50 content?.
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And I am pretty sure it is a very rare drop....
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
1) What is a amount of Super Packs necessary to buy to have a very good chance of getting 6 Catalysts?.
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I opened a set of 24 and got 1. I opened a set of 24 and got 5. YMMV
FWIW: if you have the points, getting enough packs to get past the costume bits seems to allow other rare/very rare items to appear more often.
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Yes, they'll drop in DA's trial zone--both in and outside of missions.
As far as, "How many packs do I need to buy," you should look at Zwillinger's post here. Each pack has an 8.11% chance of dropping one.
Because of how probability works, you can't just say, "Okay, I'll buy seventy-four packs and get exactly six Catalysts." You could buy a thousand and never see one.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
I think just DA/incarnate content.
And I am pretty sure it is a very rare drop.... |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Indeed.
And yes, I meant they're dropping in Trials on live now  . Right now. Like right...this...very...moment. |
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It's worth noting that 8.11% is per VR card, not per pack, and changes dramatically once you have the costume pieces. Specifically, that reduces the total weight on the table from 333 to 192, so the chance for a Catalyst improves to 14% per VR card.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
As far as, "How many packs do I need to buy," you should look at Zwillinger's post here. Each pack has an 8.11% chance of dropping one.
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So, here's some napkin calculations: in buying enough packs to get 6 catalysts, odds are very good that you'll get all 3 of of the Elemental Order pieces on the VR table. So, we can basically use the no-costume chance to calculate the number of VR cards necessary, then add 3 to that to account for the costume pieces. With a 14% chance for a Catalyst per card, and needing 6 Catalysts, you'd need 6/.14 = ~43 VR cards. 46, with the costume pieces. But not every pack contains a VR card - about 80% do, IIRC. So 46/.8 = ~58 packs will get you an average of 6 catalysts.
But that's far from being guaranteed 6 catalysts. You could get 12, or 5, or zero. 6 is the average return from ~58 packs, and B_C asked how many packs he'd have to buy to have "a very good chance" of getting (at least?) 6 catalysts, so depending on what you consider "very good", the answer will probably be "at least 58".
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
It's worth noting that 8.11% is per VR card, not per pack, and changes dramatically once you have the costume pieces. Specifically, that reduces the total weight on the table from 333 to 192, so the chance for a Catalyst improves to 14% per VR card.
So, here's some napkin calculations: in buying enough packs to get 6 catalysts, odds are very good that you'll get all 3 of of the Elemental Order pieces on the VR table. So, we can basically use the no-costume chance to calculate the number of VR cards necessary, then add 3 to that to account for the costume pieces. With a 14% chance for a Catalyst per card, and needing 6 Catalysts, you'd need 6/.14 = ~43 VR cards. 46, with the costume pieces. But not every pack contains a VR card - about 80% do, IIRC. So 46/.8 = ~58 packs will get you an average of 6 catalysts. But that's far from being guaranteed 6 catalysts. You could get 12, or 5, or zero. 6 is the average return from ~58 packs, and B_C asked how many packs he'd have to buy to have "a very good chance" of getting (at least?) 6 catalysts, so depending on what you consider "very good", the answer will probably be "at least 58". Edit: ...not if I've read your quote right, he doesn't. Chyll said "Incarnate content", as in trials. Zwill said they're dropping in trials. |
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Since Chyll started with "DA", which *IS* Incarnate content, I misread that to mean "only DA".
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
...not if I've read your quote right, he doesn't. Chyll said "Incarnate content", as in trials. Zwill said they're dropping in trials.
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In a inevitable rant... Why cannot they just sell me the Catalyst at the Paragon Market straight up? Rant. Rage. Rarg. k, I think I'm done....
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I bought a 24-pack of packs on the day they came out. I got zero catalysts. I could sure use some catalysts... but what, should I buy more packs, and still not be guaranteed to get any at all, much less as many as I need? I got the costume pack, and I've got enough insps/merits/XP boosters/rezzes/etc to last for some time, so there's not much else in the packs I want. I may feel differently once those things start to run out, but right now it would sure be nice if there were some reliable way (points, merits, whatever) to get catalysts.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Since Chyll started with "DA", which *IS* Incarnate content, I misread that to mean "only DA".
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(Sorry for not being clear. Hopeling correctly interpreted what I meant.)
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I bought 24 packs the day after they came out and got two catalysts. "But I want three, I think!" Then there was some discussion in the Help channel of how people could or couldn't use catalysts to get different set bonuses within the same power (you can) so I went to Test and bought 48 packs 'cause they were free and got 9 catalysts!|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
I bought a 24-pack of packs on the day they came out. I got zero catalysts. I could sure use some catalysts... but what, should I buy more packs, and still not be guaranteed to get any at all, much less as many as I need? I got the costume pack, and I've got enough insps/merits/XP boosters/rezzes/etc to last for some time, so there's not much else in the packs I want. I may feel differently once those things start to run out, but right now it would sure be nice if there were some reliable way (points, merits, whatever) to get catalysts.
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[Then I proved on Beta that yes, you CAN get ATO set bonuses and Superior ATO set bonuses within the same power -- my scrapper slotted 3 of each type and got two (2) bonuses and two (3) bonuses. The forums got it right as usual; the person who was wrong in the Help channel was, well, wrong.)]
So then, hating myself for it, I bought more Super Packs back on Live, playing the justification mini-game. "I've got enough points left over for 4 more. I just had bad luck before." Then I decided to buy something else from the Market I'd been thinking about and spent actual money to get more points. "And now I've got more points. I'll just buy 4 more...today. And I only need ONE! And...I might the the rare wolf pet...and...and...." The NCSoft Marketing department was laughing at me. "Look! It's working!" And still no 3rd Catalyst -- of course.
Later that night, I ran some trials because I'd heard they were dropping on Live and got nothing.
The next night, I THOUGHT about squandering some more points and ran two Trials instead. Wouldn't you know it? Got one as a drop just that fast, catalyzed my three ATOs and I think I'm done with Super Packs -- for now.
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As many others have said, random is random. For instance, I've opened over 200 packs on live an STILL no black wolf! On the other end of things, I've heard reports of people getting it on their first few packs.
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I need to get more packs.
I actually WANT the costume pieces, so getting them all is a win/win for me.
The sleeveless Elementist robe made for an awesome addition to a costume I was working on just before buying the pack I got it in.
Didn't get much else worthwhile though.
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They drop now.
I have already gotten one as a drop on my Dark Sonic Coor. Running a TPN.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Grats Eldorado. I need 6. I want lots more for like 4 characters, but I need six. And I got squat for a clear plan on how to get them.
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The minor bit of good news is that (unless you hopefully did something egregiously wrong with a build) you don't really "need" six Catalysts, just really really REALLY want them. And you want them NAO!
...which puts you in the same boat as many of the rest of us who are looking for catalysts, or for salvage for t4 Incarnate stuff: go grind through some more trials. Many, MANY more trials! It's the "new and improved end game that the players wanted," right?! (Frankly, I'm not sure how a couple of people I know can still stomach running four or five trials a night these days. I got my main all t4ed, a couple others with a t3 Judgement, and now I just plod through two or three trials a week now.)
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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster
They drop now.
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I originally posted this in the Beta Forums in response to a suggestion on how to increase the availability of Catalysts - I decided re-posting here would also make sense, and generate useful discussion:
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Originally Posted by Mistress Rue
I think I understand the heart of this issue, and may have a viable workaround for it, provided the devs are open to such things.
The issue lies with the fact that the only simple way to force Catalysts to be an Incarnate-only drop was to code them as Incarnate Salvage, which is character-bound and not-tradeable or mail-able for previously established "good reasons" (which I'm sure have been justified elsewhere, so I'm not going to go into them here) The work-around is to do the same thing with these as was done with Threads and Empyrean Merits - enable the purchase of a voucher redeemable for 1 Catalyst on any character for 40 (or whatever price they like) Empyreans - (Hmm...isn't that the form they come in already from Super Packs?) - this should be some extremely low-hanging fruit, should our Devs be open to solving this problem. |
So, there it is - Please, discuss
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Another workaround that doesn't involve throwing away our Astrals/Emps is to give Christy and Mike a little pet wolf who exchanges a single character-bound Catalyst for a single emailed Catalyst.
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Originally Posted by Mistress Rue
The work-around is to do the same thing with these as was done with Threads and Empyrean Merits - enable the purchase of a voucher redeemable for 1 Catalyst on any character for 40 (or whatever price they like) Empyreans - (Hmm...isn't that the form they come in already from Super Packs?) - this should be some extremely low-hanging fruit, should our Devs be open to solving this problem.
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Well, they could even make it such that you trade in Incarnate Salvage for a Catalyst Token just like what you get from the packs. And the salvage you trade in, could be a Catalyst.
That would at least allow them to be self trade-able, too, so you could use them on the alts that you wanted too.
Edit: Dang, someone beat me too it.
That being said... If Catalysts are dropping in iContent, are ATOs also dropping in iContent? If not, can you do anything else with Catalysts that drop? Seems a bit odd otherwise.
Here is my issue. I need to run X amount of content iTrials and Dark Astoria i22 stuff to get 6 catalysts to Catalyze my Scrappers ATO set. Or spend slightly over $30.00 real money for a decent chance to get 6 in packs (look upthread for the napkin math) but I could get NO Catalysts if I spend the $30.00, or $60.00, or I might spend $90.00 and get 5. I am expecting a chunk of change back from Uncle Sugar from overpaid taxes, and was gonna make some microtransactions, probably more than I should. But NC Soft has a hole in their head if they think I'm gonna dump endless streams into their slot machine looking for a Catalyst or two.
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Originally Posted by Madadh
Well, they could even make it such that you trade in Incarnate Salvage for a Catalyst Token just like what you get from the packs. And the salvage you trade in, could be a Catalyst.
That would at least allow them to be self trade-able, too, so you could use them on the alts that you wanted too. Edit: Dang, someone beat me too it. That being said... If Catalysts are dropping in iContent, are ATOs also dropping in iContent? If not, can you do anything else with Catalysts that drop? Seems a bit odd otherwise. |
ATOs are obtainable in game via merit purchases only (Currently Reward and Astral, Alignment coming soon).
And no, nothing else is affected by Catalysts currently.
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they drop now why spend 90$
farm on itrials thats all
Okay. I think I know the two current ways. Buy Super Packs and run Incarnate Trials. I hear that in i22 they will drop randomly in, er any?, 50 content?
My question is two-fold.
1) What is a amount of Super Packs necessary to buy to have a very good chance of getting 6 Catalysts?
2) What is the drop rate in Incarnate Trials. I personally have run a huge amount of trials this week, and while richer for it I have received no Catalyst.